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== List of Milo's books and Penn State appearance == |
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Hi, I was hoping to add a list of books that Milo has published with the year and ISBNs as well as a sentence about his latest Penn State appearance. The second reference says that 10,000 people signed a petition to stop Milo. This was not a minor event. Here are some examples of Penn State coverage: |
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https://princetoniansforfreespeech.com/free-speech-hate-and-penn-state-what-first-amendment-experts-say-about-milo-yiannopoulos |
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https://www.thecollegefix.com/milo-yiannopoulos-is-back-on-campus-no-longer-gay-but-still-attracting-controversy/?fbclid=IwAR2nDZ3pGyvjEafLOp6Dxsw7qdn5wTxndhanX33uWkyJ_xxVJomTAggM684 |
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https://www.psu.edu/news/administration/story/university-leaders-denounce-yiannopoulos-comments-and-tour/ |
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https://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/penn-state-students-condemn-message-of-milo-yiannopoulos-pray-the-gay-away-event/article_dd2c6864-3c31-11ec-84ec-8f38e9df8c30.html |
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https://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/penn-state-students-against-sexist-violence-to-protest-milo-yiannopoulos-visit-uncensored-america/article_3f164da2-3736-11ec-ae27-2f2c60c84882.html |
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Here is a list of books with date and ISBN: |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = Dangerous| year = 2017 | isbn = 9780692893449}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = Diabolical: How Pope Francis Has Betrayed Clerical Abuse Victims Like Me—And Why He Has to Go | year = 2018 | isbn = 9781642931631}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = How to Be Poor | year = 2019 | isbn = 9789527303535}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = Middle Rages: Why the Battle for Medieval Studies Matters to America | year = 2019 | isbn =9789527303559}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = How to Be Straight | year = 2019 | isbn =9789527303566}} |
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* {{Cite book | last = Yiannopoulos| first = Milo | title = The Trial of Roger Stone | year = 2020 | isbn =9789527303597}} |
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I added one sentence about the Penn State event, but it was swiftly deleted. The list of books was also deleted. I would hope to see these basic facts included in the article. |
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] (]) 04:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC) |
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] (]) 14:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC) |
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] (]) 02:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:Please achieve consensus for a contested change rather than continuously reinserting it—you are beginning to ]. I agree with ] that the Penn State appearance does not seem to have the kind of coverage in quality sources to justify inclusion, and should be left out. The bibliography I don't really have strong feelings about one way or the other. ] (she/her • ]) 04:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::Ban me all you want, GorillaWarfare. It's not like I am any to make any edits anyway. I saw this article, and it reminded me of you, GorillaWarfare. This is exactly how you operate on Misplaced Pages. You are using the platform to push your own left-wing political views. |
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::In the case of this article, it is perfectly acceptable to have paragraph after paragraph based on a Buzzfeed piece. But GorillaWarfare threatens to ban me if I add something neutral like a list of books published or articles from the Penn State newspaper. |
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::To make matters worse, people will swoop down and "archive" what I am writing here so no one can tell what is going on. Just wait for this thread to be "archived" and for me to be banned for trying to add a list of published books. |
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::] (]) 17:49, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Where have I threatened to ban you? ] (she/her • ]) 17:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Here comes GorillaWarfare within 1 minute of me posting something! You banned me in 2020, and you are threatening to ban me again in the comment above. Here is the article that reminds me of you: https://thecritic.co.uk/the-left-wing-bias-of-wikipedia/ |
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:::::Do you recognize that? This is exactly how you operate, GorillaWarfare! So ban me again. It's not like I am allowed to make any edits anyway. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::::::You're yelling at me for responding promptly to a comment addressed to me? |
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::::::Ah, I see now that I blocked you in 2020 (and also explained to you that ] back then). In that case you should be very familiar with the behavior requirements on pages such as this one, which are subject to discretionary sanctions. ] (she/her • ]) 18:00, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Glad that I am not banned. In that case, I will a section called "Works" that will include ISBNs.] (]) 18:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC) |
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{{od|::::}}Self-published books are no more inherently significant than blog posts. Typically, bibliographies only include work which contributes to someone's notability. The standard way to decide this is by citing either reliable, ], or at minimum, sticking to books published by reputable mainstream publishers, but even this is optional. The goal here is not to include minutia or promotional trivia, the goal should be to summarize reliable sources to provide context. ] (]) 05:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== New Photo == |
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Can we get a photo for Milo that isn't 6 years old? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:49, 25 January 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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**Only if someone can find a freely licensed one. He’s been kicked off basically everything and kicked out of basically everywhere so it’s hard to find anything about him or of him besides the stupid “ex-gay” crap. ] (]) 23:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC) |
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***The photo now in the article was taken around the time that he was most famous. ] (]) 23:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC) |
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**** Misplaced Pages usually goes with the newest photo for living people I think, so that’s not really a reason to keep. The real reason is simply that this IS the newest photo we have. ] (]) 23:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC) |
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****:It’s remarkable how much this guy’s appearance changes over less than a decade. ] (]) 07:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== why does nothing talk about his computer password == |
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{{ping|Cortador}} {{tq| The citation you brought up is for the alma_mater parameter, not the education parameter.}} Hi, no this is wrong. The ] says "This parameter is a more concise alternative to (not addition to) |education= ... It is usually not relevant to include <u>either</u> parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise", the either referring to education and alma mater --] (]) 12:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC) |
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{{ping|Cortador}} {{tq| The citation you brought up is for the alma_mater parameter, not the education parameter.}} Hi, no this is wrong. The ] says "This parameter is a more concise alternative to (not addition to) |education= ... It is usually not relevant to include <u>either</u> parameter for non-graduates, but article talk page consensus may conclude otherwise", the either referring to education and alma mater --] (]) 12:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Long quotations of Milo's views == |
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Why would we promote Milo's views in those long quotes, there is no need for more than what first two sentences express. Further, Milo is not "critic of Islam" to be categorized as such - his animus against Muslims expressed in million ways has taken privilege of being called "critic of Islam" from him long time ago. He is a bigot and Islamophobe, and it is unacceptable to put him in the same group as late ], for instance, who genuinely belong to a group of Islam and religion critics with legit arguments. It should be explained why something gets reverted, that's the least we owe to each other. ]] 14:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:I do think "Critic of" categories are better reserved for those who have an academic/philosophical take on the subject. I agree over-quotation of Milo is a problem. ] (] / ]) 14:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::Of course, we should avoid quotations which contain some specific information in vacuum, like those bits I removed but another editor reverted without explanation. When we put something that needs additional elaboration or explanation, all with RS, but don't do that then we promote that info or at least leave reader with a huge question mark over his head; if go into explanation we risk going off topic, and so on. And for label "critic" - it should be reserved, specifically, for genuine critics, not for "pro-trolls". ]] 15:23, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:Feel free to make any ] changes. ] (]) 15:49, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::To be fair, Santa was bold and then they were reverted, so this is a good move. ] (] / ]) 16:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I later restored my "version", and I hope you guys agree? If some disagree, we can always roll back old version or discuss it more, or bring some new ideas. ]] 17:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC) |
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::::It's a good edit. ] (]) 00:55, 31 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Category was rv again without TP discussion, I assume on the pretense that we have specific guideline or policy which regulates this problem and allow bold and without discussion removal - we don't, because if did we wouldn't have ] filled with BP' and BLP's.--]] 19:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== His reversion to catholicism? == |
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nothing about his reversion to catholicism? ] (]) 18:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
There was a leak in which he had as his computer password The Night of Long Knives as well as the date the jwews got expelled from England....there is no mention of that in his controversies. Chefs-kiss (talk) 18:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
He did not graduate from either the University of Manchester or the University of Cambridge, he only attended briefly before being kicked out. His infobox listing these institutions as his 'education' seems in accurate because he did not complete a program of study at either. If you look at Bill Gates' infobox it specifies that he "dropped out" of Harvard, Mark Zuckerberg's does the same - I propose doing similar for Yiannopoulos and noting that he was removed from both.Boredintheevening (talk) 16:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Why would we promote Milo's views in those long quotes, there is no need for more than what first two sentences express. Further, Milo is not "critic of Islam" to be categorized as such - his animus against Muslims expressed in million ways has taken privilege of being called "critic of Islam" from him long time ago. He is a bigot and Islamophobe, and it is unacceptable to put him in the same group as late Christopher Hitchens, for instance, who genuinely belong to a group of Islam and religion critics with legit arguments. It should be explained why something gets reverted, that's the least we owe to each other. ౪ Santa ౪ 14:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Category was rv again without TP discussion, I assume on the pretense that we have specific guideline or policy which regulates this problem and allow bold and without discussion removal - we don't, because if did we wouldn't have Category:Antisemitism in the United Kingdom filled with BP' and BLP's.--౪ Santa ౪ 19:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
