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The data gathered by Cassini in her final flybys in October (E21) and December 2015 (E22) are expected to yield some clues regarding the chemistry of the moon's ocean and prospects for some form of biochemistry. The data may not be published until December 2016, it seems.... |
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The data gathered by Cassini in her final flybys in October (E21) and December 2015 (E22) are expected to yield some clues regarding the chemistry of the moon's ocean and prospects for some form of biochemistry. The data may not be published until December 2016, it seems.... |
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== Requested move 16 June 2022 == |
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* ] → {{no redirect|Enceladus (moon)}} |
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– ] for this name, the mythological giant gets about probably a lower ratio when hits to the moon that continue on to the giant are factored in. This ratio is low as-is, but the giant also has longterm significance vastly exceeding the moon since the moon was named after the giant. These add up to make it so that no primary topic exists. ] (]) 14:30, 16 June 2022 (UTC) <small>— '''''Relisting.''''' <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 07:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)</small> |
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*'''Support''' per nom.--] (]) 18:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per nom. ] ] 15:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per nom, and with the added bonus of consistency with all other major Saturnian moons. — <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif">''']'''</span> '''·''' '']'' '''·''' 09:18, 20 June 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. The 5-to-1 page view ratio is large. It is dissimilar to cases like Triton (where, in contrast, the moon and mythological figure have roughly equal page views: ). Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that "the giant also has longterm significance vastly exceeding the moon", considering that {{tq|Being the original source of the name is also not determinative}} of a primary topic (]). Indeed, if one wanted to debate about long-term significance, I would argue that it also favors Enceladus the moon. The moon is of great scholarly interest (and pop-sci interest too), as is immediately apparent on Google Scholar, while the giant is a mythological figure of minor interest (scholarly or popular). Astronomers frequently write papers (and book chapters, and even whole books) devoted to Enceladus the moon, while classicists scarcely devote such works to the giant. I think that says a lot about the relative "enduring notability and educational value" of the two topics. ] (]) 05:36, 22 June 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Leaning support''' I agree being the original isn't determinate but it should at least be a more than minimal factor. ''']''' (]) 12:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - View ratio very much supports this being the primary topic, as does a general search online to see what is meant when people search for the word Enceladus; it is overwhelmingly the moon they are referring to. Even if each view on the giant's page were a followthrough from this page, and we were to take away those views from this page, that still means that this page is over 4 times as viewed as the other topic. That shows an overwhelming interest in this article over the other, making this the clear primary topic with respect to usage. The giant having longterm significance does not create primacy by any means, as it was a very minor mythological figure even within its field, and the moon itself ''also'' has longterm significance and is much more significant in its field than the giant is in its own field. Merely being older does not matter. Per ]: "While long-term significance is a factor, historical age is not determinative." As to Ravenpuff's comment on consistency with the other moons, Misplaced Pages policy, specifically ], makes it clear that parenthetical disambiguation is not something that needs to be consistent between similar subjects. - ] (]) 13:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Relisters comment''' : There are arguments presented by opposes of the move and supporters agree with Nom, currently there is no consensus for either actions so I'm relisting for thorough consensus. <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 07:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per ]. The moon article is primarytopic by both usage and significance. "Being named after" is a very minor consideration (see ] versus ]). The status quo is better for readers and editors alike. ] (]) 16:27, 23 June 2022 (UTC) |
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The data gathered by Cassini in her final flybys in October (E21) and December 2015 (E22) are expected to yield some clues regarding the chemistry of the moon's ocean and prospects for some form of biochemistry. The data may not be published until December 2016, it seems....
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