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| == ''Bots Newsletter'', December 2021 == | |||
| == Andreasegde: A Bit Of A Coup. == | |||
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| Hi. With reference to Andreasegde and the twelve month topic ban: I sincerely believe that to be extremely harsh. And why include related subjects that don’t involve the other party - may I ask how was that punishment arrived at and by whom? You know The Beatles is a very lively forum and leeway is needed. There are some editors there that will run crying to an admin when it suits them (above might be a good example) and generally piss off others, but we tolerate them. Tolerance has always been the key in fact when things got a bit heated, until now it seems. You've been too heavy handed I think, and perhaps inadvertently taken sides; that is how it looks to me anyway. Andreasegde has been a terrific editor on The Beatles, and the place will be very dull now without a character like him around. --] (]) 12:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :Well, there was an AN/I thread where it was determined that Andreasedge's contributions were too problematic to continue, but the ban does allow him to continue participating in the mediation; I'm certain that at its conclusion, the community will be more than happy to reconsider the ban if he behaved positively. — ] <sup>]</sup> 14:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Thanks for your short reply. I do understand what happened, hence my reference to a coup. But you failed to answer my question: who meted out this punishment? --] (]) 16:22, 21 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Strictly speaking, I suppose ''I'' did. I'm not certain what you mean by that, though; I evaluated the result of the discussion and applied it. Some of the details (duration, exception for mediation) are a result of my own common sense and experience, however, if that's what you meant. — ] <sup>]</sup> 18:57, 21 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::You’ve walked into a bear trap here. The Beatles talk page is always very hot, political as hell, and you need to be able to read between the lines. Andreasedge is a popular editor who often speaks for quite number of us on certain controversial issues, and by banning him you have effectively split the community. Up until you did that we were all trying to work together. Did you familiarise yourself with the political background to all of this first? If not, you have been duped. This will have to be taken further. ] (]) 21:33, 21 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::You're welcome to seek a review of my admin action, of course, but I think you are proceeding under a dangerous misrepresentation.<p>Misplaced Pages doesn't work with factions and politics; there are no representatives, nor are there allowances made for battleground mentality because one "side" is better "represented" than another. Consensus must be reached through discussion and collaboration, and misbehaviour cannot be forgiven simply because an editor is popular. The fact is, Andreasedge behaved atrociously in that topic area; and his continued participation was a cause for strife and disruption. He hindered the process of reaching consensus rather than help it. — ] <sup>]</sup> 22:15, 21 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::I support the action, of course, since I provided a small portion of the background evidence that demonstrated, as I and numerous others saw it, that Andreasegde had both recently and well into the past been a problem editor in his relations to others. Now comes "this will have to be taken further"... but Coren, rest assured that I (and I am sure I am not alone) will be happy to back your accurate decision in any venue or forum it may wind up in. ''Please keep me informed as an involved party'' and thank you for making a call that, by clear consensus of the editors involved, needed to be made and was arguably long overdue. ]]] 01:36, 22 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::::I'm pretty much considered an expert by many editors, for creating situations and traps for the unweary in order to better educate them. I concur 100% with Patthedog's remarks here, and I'd urge you to read further into the diffs involved. Pay particular attention to the style and pattern of GabeMc's contributions, some of it is very easy to miss at first glance, some caution is required with this editor. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">]</span>] 02:37, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::::Coren, we’re just trying to right a wrong; it won’t be easy and we’ll need all the support we can get. Of course it’s political, what talk page isn’t? The Beatles has some of the most passionate and vociferous editors here, and if you can’t detect the undercurrents, then what are you doing making huge judgment calls like slapping a year’s ban on an editor? I’ll come to that later. GabeMc is at the heart of all this, wanting more control of the article, and who sees Andreasedge as a threat. So having him out of the way will be right up his street. There are others like Jusdafax who have old scores to settle; they’re smaller fry but important, as collectively they form a faction. What did you say about not working with politics and factions? There must have been some serious high-fiving after your intervention. Ok, a year’s ban? Where did that come from; is there tariff that you use, or did you just make it up? Justify it for me. A whole year’s ban on The Beatles and any related article including Liverpool, please explain the reasoning behind that savage embargo. Don’t hide behind that: “I'm certain that at its conclusion, the community will be more than happy to reconsider the ban if he behaved positively” bit of your earlier remarks, because at this moment I can’t see that being at all guaranteed, so it ought to be left out of your reckoning. Thank you. --] (]) 14:06, 22 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| {{undent}} The duration and conditions are pretty much as "standard" as they get; and the hat I've pulled them out of is ]. I should note that the original discussion did not mention a definite ban at all, or consider an exception for the mediation; if anything, I've been ''liberal'' in my interpretation of the discussion. Like I said, you are welcome to seek further review of my administrative action, but I have seen no compelling reason to reconsider it at this point. — ] <sup>]</sup> 17:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :I should add that arguments that other editors might be misbehaving or that the dispute has split into factions is reason ''against'' reconsidering as it simply illustrates that there currently ''is'' a mentality of camps, "winners" and "losers". If you think someone else is disruptive, dispute resolution is ]. One does ''not'' solve a dispute by relaxing restrictions against a misbehaving editor so that they can return to the fray "for the right side". — ] <sup>]</sup> 17:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| I have to agree with Pat here.<p> | |||
| {{Userlinks|GabeMc}} <p> | |||
| Please take a ''good, honest'' look at the antics of this editor the past few weeks; he is so obsessed with changing the 'T' in "The Beatles" to lower case (it's that absurd) that he has made it clear that he will stop at nothing to get his way: | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''Overall'''</span><br /> | |||
| * Adding me to - "Mafia-esque"? What do we mean here? | |||
| * Between September and December 2019, there were 33 ]s. Of these, {{yeac}} 25 were approved, and 8 were unsuccessful ({{nayd}} 3 denied, {{idkc}} 3 withdrawn, and ] 2 expired). | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''September 2019'''</span> | |||
| * Starting ] to report an admin for a and then continuing to bring questionable difs to the discussion after several editors had sussed him out and told him to stop. (I agree, BTW, that the comment 'grow the fuck up' was out of line, but not the sentiment behind it). | |||
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| * {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ], ] · {{idkc}} ], ] | |||
| *'''TParis goes away, UTRSBot goes kaput''': ] ] that ] for maintaining on-wiki records of ] appeals stopped working a while ago. ], the semi-retired user who had previously run it, said they were "unlikely to return to actively editing Misplaced Pages", and the bot had been vanquished by trolls submitting bogus UTRS requests on behalf of real blocked users. While ] was a potential fix, neither maintainer had time to implement it. TParis offered to access to the UTRS WMFLabs account to any admin identified with the WMF: "I miss you guys a whole lot but I've also moved on with my life. Good luck, let me know how I can help". Ultimately, ] ended up in charge. Some progress was made, and the bot continued to work another couple months — but as of press time, UTRSBot has not edited since November 2019. | |||
| *'''Article-measuring contest resumed''': The ], which had lain dead for several years, was triumphantly resurrected by ] following a ]. | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''October 2019'''</span> | |||
| * Any one who disagrees with Gabe is "disrupting" something , is "harassing" him or is "childish": ], - please read my post that he felt was "harassment". | |||
| * {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] | |||
| *'''Curb Safe Charmer adopts reFill''': ] ] that ]'s bug reports were going unanswered; creator ] had retired from Misplaced Pages, and a maintainer was needed. As of June 2021, ] had ], saying: "Not that I have all the skills needed but better me than nobody! 'Maintainer' might be too strong a term though. Volunteers welcome!" <br /> | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''November 2019'''</span> | |||
| * He has attempted to ] (notice the title of the thread). | |||
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| * {{yeac}} ], ], ] · {{idkc}} ] | |||
| *'''Old bots do new tricks''': ] prowled redirects, ] archived ] requests, and ] removed links to ] deleted at ] (until its authorization was revoked in January at operator ]'s ]). | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''December 2019'''</span> | |||
| * to , since, as you'll see from the discussion, I favour the capital 'T', and after all, I got "caught" socking before (which I have never acknowledged). This way he could silence both myself and the IP, since we have both objected to GabeMc's behaviour. | |||
| * {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ] ·] ], ] | |||
| *'''Redirects to be autopatrolled''': A ] at ], closing with unanimous consensus that new ] should be ] by bot. ] wasted no time, and submitted ] the next day; it passed two days after that. | |||
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| <span style="font-size:150%">'''In the next issue of ''Bots Newsletter'':'''</span><br /> | |||
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| Signing off... ''']'''×''']''' 04:29, 10 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| As far as andreasegde, I think he should be encouraged to just present the facts and keep the sarcasm out of it; in any event, I feel that 12 months is way too harsh for someone whose contributions have been positive overall. <b>]</b> ] 18:01, 22 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :Note that the dispute over 't' or 'T' is a content dispute, and that there is a mediation in progress to examine exactly that. Whether someone is arguing for one or the other is not within the scope of administration, and should be dealt with during the mediation. — ] <sup>]</sup> 19:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::And what of Gabe's chronic disruptions? <b>]</b> ] 19:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :::The next step would normally be a ]. — ] <sup>]</sup> 20:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| == Bots Newsletter, January 2022 == | |||
| *With the exception of Pat, I see the same few cast of characters as were in the minority at ANI coming to hound you on your talk page, Coren. I say again, you made the right call. This is about Andreasegde and his problematic interactions with others. I should note that aside from my brief but extremely unpleasant encounter with him at the ] talk page last year, that I have no stake in any of this cast of characters. I noticed the ANI thread by coincidence, and spoke up to offer testimony because it was the right thing to do, not because of my alleged "old scores to settle" of the undeniably hostile way I was dealt with by Andreasegde. Indeed, this matter is one big time sink, but I am determined to see this through. Andreasegde has never offered anyone apologies or shown any contrition whatsoever and judging from this diff sees himself as the victim of "vicious barbarians", and I think this serves to illustrate the unrepentant and intractable nature of this now correctly-sanctioned editor. Thank you yet again Coren, for not passing the buck. ]]] 20:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :While I disagree with the topic ban, and the severity, I do agree with the Coren in regards to the correct approach to other problems, and have been thinking as much myself. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">]</span>] 21:42, 22 Jul 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::I’m going to back off and just see what happens next. At least you now know a little more about all this I suppose; whether or not that will make a jot of difference to anything, who knows. I don’t think we were hounding you, were we? Sorry if that’s how it came across. Cheers,] (]) | |||
| ::: I have to agree with many of the comments here regardng lack of research before judgement. I also feel some of the issued penalties were warranted but full research was not done and a complete solution was not carried out. Sure some of Andreasegde snide remarks were borderline and on (over) the edge but many were only a response to GabeMc, settling the flavour and uout-of-control for the last years, as an example. I put a complaint about his disruptive behaviour on ANI a month back and the disruptive behaviour there got it laughed into oblivion. Yeah, it was real funny to disrupt a legitimate complaint until no admin would even touch it, but when Andreasgde was complained about for the same behaviour, he/she gets sanctions placed to correct it. Even the mediation request is filled with disruptions to the main complaint with finger pointing back and forth. A small starting research spot in last week is the four complaints against other independant editors that disagree with GabeMc, all being disruptive to his quest to change the de facto status of wording used in over a hundred otehr Beatles articles involved, already established. Many people have attempted to explain the grammar logic but GabeMc continues his plight with battleground behaviour. This is analogous to the children fighting and the parent takes their heads and knocks them together because they can't be bothered to understand how the feud started giving the only message as "Don't bother me". Here comes the troll and sock accusations again. That may explain all my comments and the fact that I can read editing style from others. Nothing to do with editing or code writing since 1975. ;-P ] (]) 20:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| For what it's worth, I wholeheartedly agree with Patthedog and Radiopathy here, and am troubled by the year topic ban of Andreasegde. I am not a part of any "cast of characters", nor did I come here to hound you, Coren. Had I known about the AN/I, I would have spoken up there, but since it is closed, I think this is the best place for my comments for now. I've edited Beatles-related articles for almost 6 years and think that a long-range topic ban for Andreasegde is not warranted and in fact damaging to the encyclopedia. Perhaps a ''short'' cooling-off period would be helpful for both editors, but GabeMc's negative role over several years on this topic is notable and has to be considered when looking at bans. Yes, Andreasegde sometimes goes over the top, but his significant contributions to many, many Beatles articles are largely responsible for the depth of many of the articles, and his spirit and knowledge have vastly improved the set and the editing experience. GabeMc has been on a mission to make the articles over in the way he prefers - this goes back years - and in my experience is less interested in compromise and consensus and more interested in getting his way. That is not the way to work collaboratively, and Gabe's relentless insistence on his point of view is one reason why I have taken breaks from editing those articles. Not so Andreasegde's work methods and humor. This is not the forum to go on about this, I know, but I couldn't let this go by without comment and hope this is helpful in any reconsideration, especially of the length of what I think is an ill-considered topic ban. <strong>]</strong>/<small>]</small> 19:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| Welcome to the ninth issue of the English Misplaced Pages's ''Bots Newsletter'', your source for all things ]. Vicious bot-on-bot edit warring... superseded tasks... policy proposals... these stories, and more, are brought to you by Misplaced Pages's most distinguished newsletter about bots. | |||
| After a long hiatus between August 2019 and December 2021, there's quite a bit of ground to cover. Due to the vastness, I decided in December to split the coverage up into a few installments that covered six months each. Some people thought this was a good idea, since covering an entire year in a single issue would make it unmanageably large. Others thought this was stupid, since they were getting talk page messages about crap from almost three years ago. Ultimately, the question of whether each issue covers six months or a year is only relevant for a couple more of them, and then the problem will be behind us forever. | |||
| * I wondered what the purpose of was when I saw it, at the time my curiosity didn't get the better of me because it was just me, but I would like to ask the thinking on that one if I may. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">]</span>] 03:15, 29 Jul 2012 (UTC) | |||
| *:Given your unhealthy obsession with following the goings and doings of GabeMc, I'm certain you are well aware that he has been on the receiving end of quite a bit of anonymous bile lately. — ] <sup>]</sup> 03:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| *::As he should be, and he doesn't deserve preferential treatment from you. <b>]</b> ] 03:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| *:::I would recommend that you read ]; it may prove both instructive and useful to you. In particular, it might make you realize how unwise it is to applaud or encourage harassment of other editors. — ] <sup>]</sup> 03:41, 29 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| *::::{{edit conflict}}You're clearly biased; you're buying into Gabe's tale of woe about being "harassed" and "hounded", and you're telling one of the editors that he used his battleground behaviour on about ]. My advice to you is to just end your involvement in this unless you can be involved in a fair, rational manner. <b>]</b> ] 03:49, 29 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| *:::::I need not "buy into" anything to observe GabeMC having had to request multiple times for an anonymous editor to stop editing on his talk page without being heeded. | |||
| *::::Well that is a reason, it just didn't seem clear at the time, so thank you for clarifying. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">]</span>] 03:47, 29 Jul 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Yeah, just a bunch more whiney suck garbage from this problematic editor. Have a look at all the spew GabeMc posted on mine and Andreasesgde's talk pages that has not ben complained about and it soon becomes apparent that the scales have been tipped in this now cocky editor's favour. You have to admit that complaining about an apologie on your talk page as harrassement it about as childish as the on looker that buys into his political antics. Me thinks a meatpuppet or even a sockpuppet case will arise from this nonsense in the future. I find it way to hard to believe that so many editors can not feel like total idiots when they get caught not doing more than three minutes of investigation before acting. I am disgusted and come to realize the WP system is a complete and utter embarrasing joke. Gabe and I had an agreement (I won't disclose the details to protect him) and after the plan began to work he turned on me like a rabid dog. Some thanks. I disagreed with his edits and now watch him inject his non-approved the/The changes to ] and other articles as a cocky test to rape and pilage another few hundred music articles with his same the/The nonsense currently being mediated and under dispute. This guy isn't interested in furthering WP. He only wants to have his name in lights with . I guess this IP is done and time to go back to account editing again. This was much more fun! Bite me bitches! Hasta Luego! Joe ] (]) 02:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| Of course, you can also look on the bright side – we are making progress, and this issue will only be about crap from almost ''two'' years ago. Today we will pick up where we left off in December, and go through the first half of 2020. | |||
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| Hi Coren, I'd like to unblock YRC, but want to check to make sure you don't mind. There's been something of a pile-on around him recently -- some of it his fault, some of it not -- and we're now in a situation where one block is leading to the next. It would be good to break that dynamic because he's a very dedicated editor who makes valuable contributions. At times he almost single-handedly keeps the BLP noticeboard running, for example. | |||
| In the first half of 2020, there were 71 ]s. Of these, {{yeac}} 59 were approved, and 12 were unsuccessful (with {{nayd}} 8 denied, {{idkc}} 2 withdrawn, and ] 2 expired). | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''January 2020'''</span> | |||
| He did have a point about ]. We would normally not start articles with "X is a British murderer" or "Y is a French blackmailer." If that's what notability rests on, we would write something like "X is a British businessman who was convicted in 2012 of the murder of Y." | |||
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| YRC shouldn't have reverted so often, so I'm not questioning your block, but I'm thinking that time served would be long enough. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 17:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :I don't ''mind'', but it's against the advice of Dennis (who has been mentoring YRC for a while); and while YRC seems to feel he has it in for him at the moment, the relationship has been productive for a good while and I'd rather chalk this out to current frustration than anything else. | |||
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| :That said, you've proven your judgement time and time again in the past. If you think you can make an unblock work, go for it. — ] <sup>]</sup> 18:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :My opinion is just that, my opinion. I will not interfere with the judgement of SlimVirgin in any way. If you feel that you can help him, then please do so using whatever methods you deem appropriate. ] - ] ] ] 19:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Okay, many thanks to both of you. I'll unblock him now, and I'll write him a note later about the best way forward. Thanks again, ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 19:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :::If I may, I'd like to go on record as stating that YRC is, in my view, unacceptable as an editor here. Full disclosure: I had a run-in with him some years ago in his previous incarnation (''at least 11 blocks under that name''), and have observed his attempt to reform under a new identity (''an astonishing 8 additional blocks in the past 8 months'') with weary horror. I think his contributions at BLP are of little moment compared to how many good editors have been offended and turned off from participation by his abrasive style. This cycle just seems to go on and on over the years, and I predict sooner or later we will have this same conversation somewhere again, and then again. I must say I wonder at it. ]]] 22:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::Agreed. It is unusual how many chances for reform he is given. Meanwhile, ], a long-term disabled user, was just indefinitely blocked because editors don't like the inconvenience of communicating with a blind user. ] (]) 02:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::I'm not familiar with the entire context, but even a cursory inspection of both the thread and the history make it seem as though "because editors don't like the inconvenience of communicating with a blind user" is a rather lopsided mischaracterisation. — ] <sup>]</sup> 02:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::Having been involved in discussion about Hopiakuta in the past, exactly how am I misconstruing it? It's inconvenient for editors to deal with people who have disabilities so they choose indefinite blocks as the simplest solution to a situation they neither have the time nor the energy to try to understand. His entire block log proves that is true. Further, extensive discussions on the noticeboards have born this out. To quote Lawrence Cohen, "The problem is made worse because some people, without knowing about Hopiakuta's limitations, may take it as someone being weird for the sake of weird, or worse, forgetting AGF and thinking someone is messing around." Hopiakuta has been falsely accused again and again over the years, from vandalism to trolling to disruption. Yet, two mentors, L'Aquatique and Xeno, have both worked with the user successfully and without issues. To quote Crazytales, "DonFphrnqTaub Persina (apparently Hopiakuta's real name) is a founding member of a disability living centre in California. He probably has a cognitive disability of some sort, which would explain his incoherent talk page comments and copying of error messages. I don't think we should prevent such users from editing Misplaced Pages, it's obvious Hopiakuta is acting in good faith." ] (]) 06:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| }} | |||
| :::::::That is a laudable sentiment, but there ''are'' limits; if an editor – even in good faith – consistently causes more damage and time sink than what they contribute, then their continued participation is not a net positive. There is a rather on-point, if ], essay that gives a summary of the issue. Ultimately, it's profoundly unfair demand that volunteers expend time and effort working around an editor that causes damage through their limitations if that editor is unable or unwilling to limit themselves to tasks that are within their capabilities. — ] <sup>]</sup> 11:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| * {{yeac}} ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ], ] | |||
| *A new ] release dropped support for ], and it was expected that support for ] would be removed in coming updates. ] itself planned to drop Python 2 support in 2022. | |||
| On that subject: Did anything further happen on the ''Kremen v. Cohen'' matter? ] (]) 19:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| *Two new bots dropped in January 2020: ], the successor to ], and ], whose task was to perform a weekly update of four "massive" wikitables for ]. | |||
| :No, but I expect it should soon given that the Wikimanian dust is settling down. I'll keep you up to date at the end of next week. — ] <sup>]</sup> 19:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| *], an ] operated by ] since 2006, was ] after going berserk on categories that hadn't yet been ]'d. | |||
| == A truthful, trolling-free, perosnal-attack-free message on proxies == | |||
| Yes, this is EEL, and this is a message describing why your idea might be somewhat good - for you, not for me. I mainly use the proxylist at along with around five others, which list many other proxies, and I usually choose an elite at random. However, roughly 90% of proxies I try to use are already blocked, hence, it's a very boring day when all you do is cycle through proxies that're all blocked. Anyway, the point is, I'd create a script, if you intend to go with your plan, to generate a list of proxies daily from the seven lists I primarily use and a separate script to determine elite ones, and a third to actually use them. So, basically, you should consolidate data from as many proxy sites as you can, instead of the small number used by ProcseeBot, to block more proxies than it does. P.S. The reason I've never stopped trolling is because no one ever asked ''nicely''. Just ask, and I will, seriously. ] (]) 17:01, 25 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :I suppose I should be flattered that you are paying such close attention to my actions; but I also wouldn't want you to get the wrong idea: your current ability to troll this way is simply a symptom of an underlying systemic problem which I would rather solve than play whack-a-mole with you (or anyone else).<p>That said, yes – please stop. While I'm about to make this particular way of trolling considerably more boring, I'd much rather you found some other way to amuse yourself that didn't consume the time of volunteers that are trying to do something else. Hell, why not try your hand at ''helping'' the project, instead of hindering them? — ] <sup>]</sup> 17:20, 25 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::"Please stop" is the most polite request I've ever received to stop. Anyway, some proxy sites to help, I guess? | |||
| hidemyass.com/proxy-list/ hma (it isn't letting me link this one) and | |||
| (P.S. This is also an open proxy, port 80) | |||
| ] (]) 17:51, 25 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello EEL, I do not know why you are doing what you are doing, so I will not judge your reasons, except to say that I know you must have a good reason for what you are doing. I'd ask that you hold off educating the idiots in how to do this sort of thing, I mean, it's obvious that you are smart enough, to try to help, and to run rings around everyone. I would like to help you to find a better way if it is a righteous cause that you pursue, in exchange for my help, would you please stop posting walk-throughs just for long enough to chat to me, please ? <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">]</span>] 03:33, 26 Jul 2012 (UTC) | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''February 2020'''</span> | |||
| :Coren, I'm kind of wondering does this ''need'' to be here like a billboard to the end of time, or would it be alright with you if I ask an admin to blank it along with hiding the history ? I just thought I'd ask. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">]</span>] 07:49, 30 Jul 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| * {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ] | |||
| *On February 1, some ] were raised about ] performing "nonsense" edits. Semi-active operator ] (who originally coded the ] of ]) was pinged. Meanwhile, the bot was temporarily <span class="plainlinks"></span> for several hours until the issue was diagnosed and resolved. | |||
| *On February 18, ] got into a <span class="plainlinks"></span> with ], and had to be partially-blocked from ]. | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''March 2020'''</span> | |||
| == WP:V RfC closure == | |||
| * {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] ·] ] | |||
| * In March, a long ] was started at ] by ] about the troubling trend of bots "expiring" without explanation after their owners became inactive. This can happen for a variety of reasons -- ] changes break code, hosting providers' software updates break code, hosting accounts lapse, software changes make bots' edits unnecessary, and policy changes make bots' edits unwanted. The most promising solution seemed to be ] hosting (although it has some problems of its own, like the occasional necessity of refactoring code). | |||
| * Some of the twelve bot tasks approved this month were ] (removing blocked users from ]), and ] (removing ''unblocked'' users from ]). ] was approved to refine geographic stub tags. New bots approved this month were ] (to patrol ]), ] (to merge stub tags), and ] (fixing DISPLAYTITLE modifications, DEFAULTSORT errors and broken behavior switches in ]). | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''April 2020'''</span> | |||
| ] | |||
| * {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ] ·] ] | |||
| *A ] on the bot noticeboard, "Re-examination of ListeriaBot", was started by ], who pointed out repeated operation outside the scope of its BRFA (i.e. editing pages in mainspace, and adding ] to others). Some said it was doing good work, and others said it was operating beyond its remit. It was <span class="plainlinks"></span> on April 10; the next day it was unblocked, reblocked from article space, reblocked "for specified non-editing actions", unblocked, and indeffed. The next week, several ] were implemented in its code by Magnus; the bot was allowed to roam free once more on April 18. | |||
| *] joined the stable in April, after a BRFA started in December was finally completed. As an adminbot, it was authorized to block ]es belonging to ], public ]s, and ]s. New tasks approved for existing bots included ] (] categories), ] (taking over some tasks from the inactive ]), and ] (updating data at {{tl|Interactive COVID-19 maps}}). Also, ] was approved to scale down non-free ]s — I didn't even know that was a thing. | |||
| * A ] at ] was started by ] about whether ] should explicitly specify that bot operators must be responsive to concerns raised on English Misplaced Pages specifically (as opposed to ], ], ], et cetera). Eventually, the policy was amended to its ]: | |||
| :<blockquote>Issues and enquiries are typically expected to be handled on the English Misplaced Pages. Pages reachable via ], like a talk page at ] or at ] could also be acceptable External sites like ] or ] (which require separate registration or do not allow for IP comments) and email (which can compromise ]) can supplement on-wiki communication, but do not replace it.</blockquote> | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''May 2020'''</span> | |||
| Hi. You, I and {{user|Jc37}} are the designated closers for the ], scheduled to close at 15:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC). I've taken the liberty of preparing a userspace page for drafting our closure at ], and have drafted a possible structure for our evaluation of the RfC there. If using that page is OK with you, I suggest that we use its talk page to continue discussing our work on the closure. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 11:11, 27 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| :Works for me. I'll be joining you there shortly. — ] <sup>]</sup> 12:34, 27 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| * {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ], ], ] · {{idkc}} ] | |||
| *], an impressively meta bot task, was approved this month for maintaining a list of bots running on the English Misplaced Pages. The page, located at ], is updated every 24 hours; it contains a list of all accounts with the bot flag, as well as their operator, edit count, last activity date, last edit date, last logged action date, user groups and block status. | |||
| *Other approvals for this month were ] (processing redirects in {{tl|R from scientific name}}), ] (allowing users to schedule bot reminders for themselves), ] (removing blocked/locked users from ]), ] (updating ]), ] (adding <nowiki>{{</nowiki>]|living=no<nowiki>}}</nowiki> to talk pages where their associated article is in a year of death category), and ] (deleting and nominating empty categories). | |||
| *General syntax fixing tasks were approved for ], ], ], ], ], and ], as well as ] ], ], and ]. | |||
| *Seven bots who fell below ] (with neither the bots nor their operators having any edits or logged actions in two years) had their bot flags removed. They were ], ], ], ], ], ], and ]. | |||
| *On May 12, ] was ]. | |||
| <span style="font-size:125%">'''June 2020'''</span> | |||
| == CorenSearchBot == | |||
| ] | |||
| * {{yeac}} ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] · {{nayd}} ] · {{idkc}} ] | |||
| *In July 2017, ] made a ] that a section of the ] be devoted to bots and technical issues. In November 2019, ] code was written superseding ]'s tasks on that page, and operator ] was asked to stop them so that the new code could be deployed. After no response to pings, a ] of Legobot for the dashboard was proposed. Some months later, on June 16, Headbomb said: "A full block serves nothing. A partial block solves all current issues Just fucking do it. It's been 3 years now." The next day, however, Legoktm disabled the task, and the dashboard was successfully refactored. | |||
| *On June 7, ] blocked ] for ], saying it was "still removing links after request to stop". A couple weeks later, a ] was opened, saying "it is a widely-used and useful bot, but it has one of the longest block logs for any recently-operating bot on Misplaced Pages". While its last BRFA approval was in 2011, its code and functionality had changed dramatically since then, and ] requested that BAG require a new BRFA. Maintainer ] responded that most blocks were from years ago (when it lacked a proper ]), and problems since then had mostly been one-off errors (like a ] in which a ] had "weaponized" the bot to harass editors). | |||
| *] opened a discussion about ], and proposed that they not. He cited a recent case in which a maintainer had said "I can only suppose that the code that is available on GitHub is not the actual code that was running on ". Some disagreed: ] said that "I like free software as much as the next person, and I strongly believe that bot operators should make their bot code public, but I don't think it should be that they must do so". | |||
| *Two new bots had their first BRFAs approved: ], to replace ] for handling the ], and ], to remove {{tl|user sandbox}} from articles in draftspace using ]. | |||
| <span style="font-size:150%">'''Conclusion'''</span><br /> | |||
| CorenSearchBot seems to have died again. Is the best solution to this an MMP on the Toolserver or its equivalent in Labs? — <strong><tt>]</tt></strong> 20:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| * What's next for our intrepid band of coders, maintainers and approvers? | |||
| :The cluster node on which CSBot runs at the labs seems to be ill. Ima prod the labs people to see what's up. — ] <sup>]</sup> 20:54, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :*Will Citation bot ever be set free to roam the project? | |||
| ::Hm, actually, it was just unusually slow. CSBot got killed, for some reason; but I've no indication why or how (Since it was a SIGTERM, might have been the OOM killer). At any rate, I've defensively wrapped its invocation in a loop now so that it can restart if it dies – something I hadn't done previously since it was a new environment. — ] <sup>]</sup> 20:58, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :*What's the deal with all those book links that ] is adding to articles? | |||
| :::Infinite loop in the start up code, what could possibly go wrong? ;) ] - ] ] <small><b>]</b></small> 21:45, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :*Should we keep using Gerrit for MediaWiki? | |||
| ::::It's fairly polite about it. :-) It restarts perl entirely with a generous sleep inbetween attempts. — ] <sup>]</sup> 22:04, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :*What if we had a day for bots to make cosmetic edits? | |||
| :::::I've actually had a bad script lock a boxen so badly it took 20 minutes to just ''log in''. I forget the load, but I'm wanting to say over 1000 (this was years ago, just can't remember). It was very small, but kept starting new instances of itself when the check failed due to a typo in the lockfile name, and no, I didn't have it sleep. I'm not the best Perl programmer, obviously. I thought it was kind of funny, but everyone trying to use that server didn't. There were monkey's and fish everywhere. ] - ] ] <small><b>]</b></small> 22:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| These questions will be answered — and new questions raised — by the February 2022 ''Bots Newsletter''. Tune in, or miss out! | |||
| Signing off... <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">''']'''×''']'''</span> 23:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == CorenSearchBot identifying Misplaced Pages mirror as 'source' of text == | |||
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| <small>(You can subscribe or unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding or removing your name from ].)</small> | |||
| Hello. Not a big deal, but re. , could the bot be enhanced so that any Misplaced Pages mirror pages are not picked up as possible sources of copyrighted text? In this case "From Misplaced Pages" is perhaps something that the bot could pick up as an indication to ignore a page, although in this case the whole site is not a mirror. The article concerned was based on a similar competition from another league, so the content is similar to the other WP article. Thanks. --] (]) 11:55, 29 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| :I don't think it's a good idea to try to detect mirrors automatically, but when we find one that pops up regularly, we can add it to ], and it will be ignored from that point. — ] <sup>]</sup> 12:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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== The Dark Nebula == | ||
| Hi, I tried to place this entry on Misplaced Pages some years ago & was cited as plagiarising an entry on comixpedia. That listing was indeed by me so i was not copying that post but, instead, reposting on Misplaced Pages, unaware that was not appropriate. I am attempting to post this on Misplaced Pages again & would like to know what is required to be removed or altered so that it would indeed be complying with the rules. I'm 62 years of age & not as tech-savvy as i would otherwise like to be. | |||
| This was a bit odd. The bot tagged ] as a copyvio, which it was, from http://www.asmsolution.com/ but it was actually from http://www.quaysys.com/about-quaysys/organization.aspx. Cheers. ] (]) 12:37, 29 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| I should point out that comixpedia is no longer what it was. In fact, if you click on the link for Comixpedia or more specifically the entry regarding The Dark Nebula it is all an Indonesian Gaming/Gambling site, nothing to do with The Dark Nebula or Comics in any way, shape or form. | |||
| == Better later than... == | |||
| To be clear the substance of the proposed entry originated from me, including images. I hope a resolution can be reached. | |||
| Or something : ) | |||
| I leave this in your hands. | |||
| As you and I had a lengthy discussion about it on the talk page, please give it a quick read-through and let me know if I may have been unintentionally unclear. | |||
| Thank you | |||
| Thanks and thanks : ) - <b>]</b> 04:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 08:57, 22 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Ten years later == | ||
| Hi Coren, | |||
| Hi, Coren. I left a general note ] but wanted to single you out for your especially eloquent closing comments. I don't suppose there's any chance we could rope you in over ], is there? (I see you didn't participate in ] but can't recall if you were "involved" earlier.) ] (]) 07:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I hold (and have expressed) rather strong opinions on pending changes in the past and I expect closing by me could make some of the participant uncomfortable – regardless of how neutral I might strive to be. — ] <sup>]</sup> 10:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| I resolved when I became an admin that I'd swing by here the first time I had a block overturned, even if you were inactive; and after 6 months and 1,421 blocks that's finally happened, sadly, so here I am. You probably don't remember me, but ten years and two usernames ago (''Francophonie&Androphilie'', kinda cringe name) you indeffed me and then reversed yourself after objections at AN/I. I expected I'd have something to say, when this day did come, about what I've learned from having a block overturned, but really all I can say is that it's unpleasant—both getting it wrong and being told you got it wrong—which is no great insight. But I guess I thought it might please (or at least amuse) you to know I stuck around and am an admin now; and also thought I'd take this as an opportunity to say hi and ask how you've been doing. Maybe you won't see this for a year or won't see it ever, but can't hurt to ask. | |||
| == Thank you! == | |||
| <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- ]</span><sup>]'']</sup> (she|they|xe)</span> 22:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Barnstar archivated. Thank you, it's appreciated; but much of the credit goes to the well-organized RfC and the decorum of the participants which made analysis easy. — ] <sup>]</sup> 17:56, 30 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Nomination for deletion of ] == | |||
| ]] has been ]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> – ] (]) 15:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| ]] has been ]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> – ] (]) 16:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Welcome to the eighth issue of the English Misplaced Pages's Bots Newsletter, your source for all things bot. Maintainers disappeared to parts unknown... bots awakening from the slumber of æons... hundreds of thousands of short descriptions... these stories, and more, are brought to you by Misplaced Pages's most distinguished newsletter about bots. Our last issue was in August 2019, so there's quite a bit of catching up to do. Due to the vast quantity of things that have happened, the next few issues will only cover a few months at a time. This month, we'll go from September 2019 through the end of the year. I won't bore you with further introductions — instead, I'll bore you with a newsletter about bots. Overall
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In the next issue of Bots Newsletter:
These questions will be answered — and new questions raised — by the January 2022 Bots Newsletter. Tune in, or miss out! Signing off... jp×g 04:29, 10 December 2021 (UTC) (You can subscribe or unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding or removing your name from this list.) | ||
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Welcome to the ninth issue of the English Misplaced Pages's Bots Newsletter, your source for all things bot. Vicious bot-on-bot edit warring... superseded tasks... policy proposals... these stories, and more, are brought to you by Misplaced Pages's most distinguished newsletter about bots. After a long hiatus between August 2019 and December 2021, there's quite a bit of ground to cover. Due to the vastness, I decided in December to split the coverage up into a few installments that covered six months each. Some people thought this was a good idea, since covering an entire year in a single issue would make it unmanageably large. Others thought this was stupid, since they were getting talk page messages about crap from almost three years ago. Ultimately, the question of whether each issue covers six months or a year is only relevant for a couple more of them, and then the problem will be behind us forever. Of course, you can also look on the bright side – we are making progress, and this issue will only be about crap from almost two years ago. Today we will pick up where we left off in December, and go through the first half of 2020. Overall January 2020 .jpg) _(cropped_to_40%25).jpg){kind=small} Yeah, you're not gonna be able to get away with this anymore.
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The Dark Nebula
Hi, I tried to place this entry on Misplaced Pages some years ago & was cited as plagiarising an entry on comixpedia. That listing was indeed by me so i was not copying that post but, instead, reposting on Misplaced Pages, unaware that was not appropriate. I am attempting to post this on Misplaced Pages again & would like to know what is required to be removed or altered so that it would indeed be complying with the rules. I'm 62 years of age & not as tech-savvy as i would otherwise like to be.
I should point out that comixpedia is no longer what it was. In fact, if you click on the link for Comixpedia or more specifically the entry regarding The Dark Nebula it is all an Indonesian Gaming/Gambling site, nothing to do with The Dark Nebula or Comics in any way, shape or form.
To be clear the substance of the proposed entry originated from me, including images. I hope a resolution can be reached.
I leave this in your hands.
Thank you The Dark Nebula (talk) 08:57, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Ten years later
Hi Coren,
I resolved when I became an admin that I'd swing by here the first time I had a block overturned, even if you were inactive; and after 6 months and 1,421 blocks that's finally happened, sadly, so here I am. You probably don't remember me, but ten years and two usernames ago (Francophonie&Androphilie, kinda cringe name) you indeffed me and then reversed yourself after objections at AN/I. I expected I'd have something to say, when this day did come, about what I've learned from having a block overturned, but really all I can say is that it's unpleasant—both getting it wrong and being told you got it wrong—which is no great insight. But I guess I thought it might please (or at least amuse) you to know I stuck around and am an admin now; and also thought I'd take this as an opportunity to say hi and ask how you've been doing. Maybe you won't see this for a year or won't see it ever, but can't hurt to ask.
-- Tamzin (she|they|xe) 22:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:WMFLabsIP
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