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== redirecting to Touré ==

Touré shouldn't automatically redirect here. There are too many other important people called Touré, including the former prime minister of Mali.

== Requested moves ==
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a ]. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

The result of the move request was: '''moved.''' I will move this article to the (journalist) DAB, but no objections to a second discussion on a potentially better one. Help on cleaning up the links would be appreciated. ] ]] 15:16, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

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* ] → {{no redirect|Touré (television personality)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Touré}}
– The television figure is not the ]. Amongst others, users might be searching for ], the former president of Guinea, ], 'one of the African continent’s most internationally renowned musicians', ], the former president of Mali, ], the footballer who has played for Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal, ], the founder of the Wassoulou Empire, or ], the Manchester City footballer. ] (]) 23:23, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' ], yes very surprising occupant of a common surname slot. ] (]) 01:32, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom -- ] (]) 05:04, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this man pretty obviously is not the primary topic over the presidents, historical figures, and the footballer! &mdash;] 06:34, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Hatnote with link to disambiguation page is linked for those seeking other names. Also, if it is moved, I don't agree that "television personality" should necessarily be the designation; "writer" would probably be more appropriate.--] (]) 17:13, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
:*How about 'journalist' instead? That might be a little more accurate than just 'writer'. ] (]) 20:03, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
:*I find it hard to believe the journalist/TV personality is the primary topic, by our usual definition, even though he goes by a mononym, against the political figures, several from prominent families of this name, and the famous footballer. If there were a TV host known by 'Anderson' in some country where it was an uncommon name, that wouldn't make him/her the main topic for the surname. &mdash;] 21:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Hatnote is, I think, fine. If move passes, I say "Touré (journalist)" is the best choice. ] (]) 00:17, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' to ''Touré (surname) → Touré''. I abstain in the discussion about the TV personality/writer/journalist. ] (]) 22:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''', but not to "Touré (television personality)". Instead, move to "Touré (journalist)" ("Touré (writer)" would be OK too, the guy's got four books, granting that at least one is a collection of essays). Just "Touré" rather than "Touré (surname)" is preferable for the disambig -- more flexibile (for instance, this person could not be listed at "Touré (surname)). ] (]) 05:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
:*You have a point on "Touré" rather than "Touré (surname)." ] (]) 13:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "Touré (surname)" → "Touré" and '''support''' "Touré" to "Touré (''whatever consensus settles upon'')". ] (]) 00:31, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' proposed name as not primary topic. What about ] instead? Some sources use it. --] (]) 04:44, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' because this article is not the ]. Moving to Touré Neblett makes sense: it avoids choosing between television personality, writer and journalist. ] (]) 12:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
:*If you look at the battle royale in the archives of this talkpage, you'll notice we went over the whole surname bit. There was a big argument about whether his surname should be mentioned at all. But the title of this page, whatever decided here, should stay "Touré" because the subject prefers to be known by his mononym (say, like "]"). ] (]) 17:56, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
:::It should stay just "Touré" but not because of his preference but because that's his byline and how he's best known and most often referred to. ] (]) 20:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
::::If he is best known as his stage name (like ]), then move to Touré (something), where the something describes him (television personality/writer/journalist). However, if he is often known by his real name, then that should be used. I do not know what is most common here. ] (]) 22:37, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
:::::Just "Touré", I'm confident, unless there's been a large and rapid recent change. During the dustup here (only one or two years ago) it was only possible to find a couple of obscure references which even ''give'' his last name, which he does not give out and which he has tried to keep entirely secret. ] (]) 23:48, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
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== ''Career'' section issues ==

Hello to anyone watching this page! I'm looking for some help in addressing various issues with the content of this article, particularly within the '']'' section. Up front, I would like to say that I'm here on behalf of Touré and, due to this financial conflict of interest, I will not make any direct edits to this article.

While there are several issues I'd ultimately like to address, first I'd like to get some input on the first paragraph of the '']'' section. Right now, this paragraph details criticism from conservative web publications ''The Daily Caller'' and ''The Blaze'' regarding the student publication started by Touré (''The Fire This Time'') as well as some related events while he was a student at Emory. In my view, ] has been given to these views, particularly considering media coverage of these topics was limited to just these two publications.

To break it down, here are the specific issues I see with the current wording:
*The first sentence currently reads "While a student at Emory University, Touré founded the school's black student newspaper, The Fire This Time, which has been criticized for being militantly anti-white." This makes it sound like ''The Fire This Time'' and Touré have received widespread criticism, which is not the case, only ''The Daily Caller'' has made such claims, which were then repeated in a post on ''The Blaze''.
*The current wording also says that the publication's articles "praised noted anti-Semites, black supremacists, and conspiracy theorists such as H. Rap Brown and Frances Cress Welsing, whom Touré invited to Emory's campus." I haven't been able to find any other sources mentioning the visit or saying that Touré had invited Welsing, nor any other critical coverage of ''The Fire This Time'''s interview with H. Rap Brown, nor any other specifics.
*The paragraph includes ''The Caller'''s criticism of Touré's statement in relation to an incident at Emory, where a black college student named Sabrina Collins had claimed to be the victim of racist vandalism in her dorm room, which was later said to be a hoax. Touré was not involved; he simply wrote about it in ''The Fire This Time''.
*Lastly, the only reporting here is from ''The Caller'', and its first bylined reporter is Charles C. Johnson, who has been frequently criticized in reliable sources for producing unreliable reporting (). Frankly, I would be very cautious about using this story in any way.

It's my view that much of the above detail does not belong in the article. It generally relates to things that happened while Touré was a student, well before his career was established. Regarding the general criticism, I'm more open to the idea of keeping a summary statement about this but I'm interested to hear what others think. At the very least, this should be tightened up and made clear the criticism originated with ''The Daily Caller''. It's worth noting that Touré and ''The Caller'' are at different ends of the political spectrum and the latter often writes critically of progressive media figures.

Below, I've offered an updated version of this paragraph for editors to review and consider as a basis for replacing the current section. You'll see that I have offered a potential summary of the criticism from ''The Daily Caller'', but otherwise removed the details listed above. This is just a suggested draft, so I'd be happy to discuss other ways the paragraph could be rewritten.

{{hidden|Suggested wording for ''The Fire This Time'' paragraph|content= While a student at ], Touré founded the student newspaper, ''The Fire This Time'' in 1990.<ref name="Emory09">{{cite web|author=Loftus, Mary J.|url=http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_MAGAZINE/2009/autumn/black-star.html|work=Emory Magazine|title= News makers|date=Autumn 2009|accessdate=25 April 2012}}</ref> In an interview with ''The Daily Caller'' in 2013, Touré said ''The Fire This Time'' had been "an important black voice on campus" and "a form of community building."<ref name="DailyCaller">{{cite web|author=Johnson, Charles C.; Girdusky, Ryan|title=MSNBC’s Touré founded militant anti-white student paper|url=http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/09/msnbcs-Touré-founded-militant-anti-white-student-paper/|publisher=] |date=April 9, 2013}}</ref><ref name=Yahoo!News>Ritz, Eric (April 9, 2013). . ].</ref> ''The Daily Caller'''s article on Touré and his college years was critical, claiming that ''The Fire This Time'' was a "militant" African-American publication.<ref name=DailyCaller/><ref name=Yahoo!News/>{{reflist-talk|close=1}}|headerstyle=background:#ccfddc}}

{{hidden|header=Markup|content=<nowiki>While a student at ], Touré founded the student newspaper, ''The Fire This Time'' in 1990.<ref name="Emory09">{{cite web|author=Loftus, Mary J.|url=http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_MAGAZINE/2009/autumn/black-star.html|work=Emory Magazine|title= News makers|date=Autumn 2009|accessdate=25 April 2012}}</ref> In an interview with ''The Daily Caller'' in 2013, Touré said ''The Fire This Time'' had been "an important black voice on campus" and "a form of community building."<ref name="DailyCaller">{{cite web|author=Johnson, Charles C.; Girdusky, Ryan|title=MSNBC’s Touré founded militant anti-white student paper|url=http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/09/msnbcs-Touré-founded-militant-anti-white-student-paper/|publisher=] |date=April 9, 2013}}</ref><ref name=Yahoo!News>Ritz, Eric (April 9, 2013). . ].</ref> ''The Daily Caller'''s article on Touré and his college years was critical, claiming that ''The Fire This Time'' was a "militant" African-American publication.<ref name=DailyCaller/><ref name=Yahoo!News/></nowiki>|headerstyle=background:#ccccff}}

Again, I'm looking to discuss the above issues and hopefully find a way to resolve them in the article. Cheers, ] (] &middot; ]) 16:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

:Thanks to ], the paragraph has been edited to remove everything sourced to ''The Daily Caller''. I'm very happy with this outcome, so thank you very much! This request is now complete, but I will be returning soon to discuss one more issue and propose some general updates to the article. Cheers, ] (] &middot; ]) 19:16, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

::I actually found ]'s edit too drastic. I think ]'s suggested text was quite pithy, fair, even-handed, and fine. So I have added it as suggested. I think the ''Daily Caller'' source and the Yahoo! source are fine. (PS, when all Misplaced Pages references to the ''Huffington Post'' are removed, I'll stand by a removal of all references to the ''Daily Caller''.) I agree with ] (and, presumably, Touré) that it was too harsh as written before this. I think the article in this section is fine as it stands. ] (]) 18:50, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

:::You pinged me? I disagree that my edit was "drastic" see ], removal is the proper choice - and as your edit apparently did not restore the writing that I removed than it appears certain I did the right thing. I have not formulated an opinion on the new text you added, nor the source use for it. ] (]) 19:21, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

::::Hi TuckerResearch and Alanscottwalker. Since there's disagreement between you as to what, if anything, should be included regarding the coverage from ''The Daily Caller'', I wanted to clarify that I am in favor of removing all of the information because of the unreliability of the source. As I mentioned above, the only reporting is by a writer who has specifically been criticized in the past for his unreliable and inaccurate reporting. The summary I offered was a potential compromise if editors feel that the information absolutely has to stay. Does that change your feeling on including the wording about ''The Fire This Time'' sourced to ''The Daily Caller'', TuckerResearch? ] (] &middot; ]) 15:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

:::::Howdy! (And thank you for being so amicable an editor!) I think your first suggested edit was quite reasonable and even-handed. I think that Alanscottwalker's removal of everything was too much. Now that I've put in your reasonable suggested edit, you want a more drastic edit?! As mentioned above I don't think a sourced mention (even if it is from a right-wing website), if it doesn't place undue wait, is alright. As it was originally written, and I think you were right, it ''did'' place undue wait. As written now, I think it's fine. If anyone else wants to comment, we can hash it out. Full disclosure, I'm a conservative and not Touré's biggest fan when it comes to politics (his music writing is pretty good, though), but I'd like to think I'm giving him a fair shake here on Misplaced Pages. I don't think his article should be one long list of attacks and screeds against him, but I also don't think it should be scrubbed of all information he finds odious. (I think it borders on ], and we must find a way to balance ], ], and ].) I consider that unfair to Misplaced Pages readers of all political stripes. I think we can best be helped by further comments from editors (and I think there are several who watch and/or lurk on this page). '''Comments please!''' ] (]) 02:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

::::::Hi again, TuckerResearch, thanks for the reply explaining your thinking on this issue, and volunteering your personal views as well. Looking back I see that my initial request wasn't clear, but it was my intention to first suggest that the material to be removed entirely—as ] did—and only second to offer the proposed summary as a compromise if editors felt the mention did have to stay in the article.

::::::Below I see you've compared ''The Daily Caller'' with ''The Daily Beast'' (a source used elsewhere in the article). It is not ''The Caller'' I object to as a source ''per se'', but the unreliability of this particular author, per the explanation above. (Most relevant, this writer has previously been .)

::::::Hence my preference to see this information cut entirely. I think it's very important for this article to provide relevant career information. Touré having founded and edited this paper certainly counts. A writer for ''The Caller'' having an opinion about this paper, however, is not a necessary part of Touré's biography. What do you think? Cheers, ] (] &middot; ]) 18:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

===Discussion of "controversies"===
Hello again, following my last request, I would now like to turn to the second major issue that I can see in the ''Career section'', this time under the '']'' section. The main issue as I see it is that the majority of this section currently covers a few small "controversies" that could be summarized into one to two sentences. Right now, over one third of the section is dedicated to a discussing a single tweet by Touré that was taken out of context. A further one third covers two other events where Touré was involved in short-lived debates.

Similar to the coverage from ''The Daily Caller'', it seems like relatively minor events are being given undue weight within the article. In each case, while the individual event received some news coverage (mainly within publications that discuss the media) at the time, it is not an ongoing or major controversy. What do editors here think about reducing the second and third paragraphs of this section down to a short summary?

Here's a suggestion for what that might look like:

{{hidden|Suggested wording for summary|content= During Touré's career he has made several controversial statements including ones made on Twitter in response to tweets directed at him. In particular, Touré received criticism and news coverage for his debate with Piers Morgan in 2012 regarding an interview of ]'s brother,<ref name="Christopher12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-challenges-msnbcs-toure-to-debate-via-twitter-feud/ |title=Update: Piers Morgan Books MSNBC's Touré in Real Time to Settle Twitter Feud |author=Tommy Christopher |date=30 March 2012 |work=Mediaite |publisher= |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Samuels">{{cite news |title=Piers Morgan Vs. Touré: How the CNN Host Blew It |author=Allison Samuels |url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/31/piers-morgan-vs-Touré-how-the-cnn-host-blew-it.html |work=The Daily Beast |date=31 March 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> a remark made on ''The Cycle'' about his view that Republican presidential nominee ] was engaging in racial coding,<ref name="Wemple12">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark |author=Erik Wemple |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-Touré-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html |work=] |date=17 August 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> and a response to a tweet that had compared the African American experience following slavery to the U.S. immigrant experience following ].<ref name="Chasmar14">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré says ‘power of whiteness’ benefited Holocaust survivors |author=Jessica Chasmar |url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/27/msnbcs-Touré-says-power-whiteness-benefitted-holoc/ |work=The Washington Times |date=27 May 2014 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref>{{reflist-talk|close=1}}|headerstyle=background:#ccfddc}}

{{hidden|header=Markup|content=<nowiki>During Touré's career he has made several controversial statements including ones made on Twitter in response to tweets directed at him. In particular, Touré received criticism and news coverage for his debate with Piers Morgan in 2012 regarding an interview of ]'s brother,<ref name="Christopher12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-challenges-msnbcs-toure-to-debate-via-twitter-feud/ |title=Update: Piers Morgan Books MSNBC's Touré in Real Time to Settle Twitter Feud |author=Tommy Christopher |date=30 March 2012 |work=Mediaite |publisher= |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Samuels">{{cite news |title=Piers Morgan Vs. Touré: How the CNN Host Blew It |author=Allison Samuels |url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/31/piers-morgan-vs-Touré-how-the-cnn-host-blew-it.html |work=The Daily Beast |date=31 March 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> a remark made on ''The Cycle'' about his view that Republican presidential nominee ] was engaging in racial coding,<ref name="Wemple12">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark |author=Erik Wemple |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-Touré-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html |work=] |date=17 August 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> and a response to a tweet that had compared the African American experience following slavery to the U.S. immigrant experience following ].<ref name="Chasmar14">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré says ‘power of whiteness’ benefited Holocaust survivors |author=Jessica Chasmar |url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/27/msnbcs-Touré-says-power-whiteness-benefitted-holoc/ |work=The Washington Times |date=27 May 2014 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref></nowiki>|headerstyle=background:#ccccff}}

Does the above summary work? If not, I'm open to other options to address this section. Let me know what you think. Cheers, ] (] &middot; ]) 22:25, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

:(I saw this mentioned at ]. <sup></sup> I supported leaving his "slave name" out of this article per his request a few years back.)

:I prefer the existing text, actually. Speaking as someone who knows almost nothing about the man (I live in Australia), I found those little vignettes quite informative. They give me an impression of his polemical style, and leave me thinking he's someone who can own up when he makes a gaffe. They kind of fill in something about his personality that a plain list of achievements and career moves can't. Perhaps there's something I'm not getting, though, that is apparent in the USA context. --] (] · ] · ]) 00:55, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

::I stand with ] here. ] (]) 18:51, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

:::I understand why you both prefer there being this information in the article, but it's simply too much detail on these blink-and-you'll-miss-it events versus the coverage of the rest of his career. Currently the latter is described concisely, whereas these "controversies" are given considerably more space. Altogether the amount of detail on these events seems clearly ], and the point by point description of them surely goes against the spirit of ]. Unlike the information from ''The Daily Caller'', I'm not saying that the details should be removed entirely, but instead summarized. The wording I suggested above is a starting point and I'd be open to suggestions for an alternative. ] (] &middot; ]) 15:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

::::I'm open to some editing, some concision, but I think your suggested edit here removes too much info and detail. I don't think as it stands it goes against ] to mention the exact words Touré used. I also think, and I mean this with all due respect, that the sentence: "During Touré's career he has made several controversial statements including ones made on Twitter in response to tweets directed at him" are weasel words (]). (And, on my own personal soapbox here, to me it is just as bad to use a story from ''The Daily Beast'' as ''The Daily Caller''. One is liberal , one is conservative . I'm an inclusionist: the more information the better on Misplaced Pages, let the reader decide.) Might I suggest the following, and let's see what everyone thinks, and I welcome your input:

{{hidden|Suggested wording for summary|content= In March 2012, Touré criticized ]'s interview of Robert Zimmerman regarding his brother ]'s ] on Morgan's ] talk show, '']''.<ref>Christopher, Tommy (March 30, 2012). . '']''.</ref><ref>Christopher, Tommy (March 30, 2012). . ''Mediaite''.</ref><ref>Stableford, Dylan (Apr 1, 2012). . ].</ref> In August 2012, on ''The Cycle'', Touré caused a controversy by stating that by calling President ] "angry," Republican presidential nominee ] was engaging in the "niggerization" of the president. He apologized for using the word the next day.<ref name="Wemple">{{cite news | first = Erik | last = Wemple | authorlink = Erik Wemple | title = MSNBC's Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark | date = 17 Aug 2012 | url = http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-toure-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html | work = The Washington Post | accessdate = 2012-09-21}}</ref>

On May 23, 2014, Touré suggested that Jews survived the Holocaust thanks to "the power of whiteness." Touré was criticized by the ], whose spokesperson Efraim Zuroff accused Touré of anti-Semitism and reverse racism.<ref>Chasmar, Jessica (May 27, 2014). . '']''.</ref> Touré apologized on May 27, saying, "Late last week, I foolishly got involved in a twitter exchange regarding an article about reparations. It was a dumb idea by me to debate serious and nuanced topics in 140 characters or less. In an attempt to comment on racism in post World War II America, I used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong. I am very sorry and will make sure this doesn't happen again."<ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref>{{reflist-talk|close=1}}|headerstyle=background:#ccfddc}}

{{hidden|header=Markup|content=<nowiki>In March 2012, Touré criticized ]'s interview of Robert Zimmerman regarding his brother ]'s ] on Morgan's ] talk show, '']''.<ref>Christopher, Tommy (March 30, 2012). . '']''.</ref><ref>Christopher, Tommy (March 30, 2012). . ''Mediaite''.</ref><ref>Stableford, Dylan (Apr 1, 2012). . ].</ref> In August 2012, on ''The Cycle'', Touré caused a controversy by stating that by calling President ] "angry," Republican presidential nominee ] was engaging in the "niggerization" of the president. He apologized for using the word the next day.<ref name="Wemple">{{cite news | first = Erik | last = Wemple | authorlink = Erik Wemple | title = MSNBC's Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark | date = 17 Aug 2012 | url = http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-toure-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html | work = The Washington Post | accessdate = 2012-09-21}}</ref>

On May 23, 2014, Touré suggested that Jews survived the Holocaust thanks to "the power of whiteness." Touré was criticized by the ], whose spokesperson Efraim Zuroff accused Touré of anti-Semitism and reverse racism.<ref>Chasmar, Jessica (May 27, 2014). . '']''.</ref> Touré apologized on May 27, saying, "Late last week, I foolishly got involved in a twitter exchange regarding an article about reparations. It was a dumb idea by me to debate serious and nuanced topics in 140 characters or less. In an attempt to comment on racism in post World War II America, I used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong. I am very sorry and will make sure this doesn't happen again."<ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref></nowiki>|headerstyle=background:#ccccff}}

::::I know it's not ''much'' of a reduction, but I think it's better than your suggestion. What do our fellow editors think?

::::P.S. - I'd like to see ''more'' comments and reviews of his writing career ADDED to the article, to balance out the television stuff. How can we do that!?!? ] (]) 02:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

:::::Thanks, I understand your concerns with my draft and appreciate your comments. I have now taken a close look at your suggestion, but I still disagree with keeping so much detail. Meanwhile, I totally get that you and ] find this interesting, but I submit that ''interestingness'' is not the proper threshold for inclusion. A biographical article should provide a concise overview of a notable person's career, and needn't go in-depth on a given sub-topic just because sources exist. That Touré has had contentious words with other media personalities is noteworthy; the particulars of each incident is not.

:::::Consider, the issue here is really a larger one that impacts Misplaced Pages—the "if it bleeds, it leads" aspect of news coverage. Should we let the content of this encyclopedia be so heavily influenced by the preoccupations of a pageview-driven media culture that turns brief Twitter exchanges into "controversies"? I suggest that we do not, and that we take the long view instead: this should be a broad overview of his career. (Related to which, I must respectfully disagree that my version violates ]. Classic cases of weasel words are "some people say" and "research has shown". Rather, I chose words that broadly described the events.)

:::::I am certainly in favor of including more information about other aspects of his career, for example, more can be said about the books he has written. However, even with that information added, this section would still be ] toward details of minor incidents. Regardless of the wording we eventually agree upon, I believe we should be mindful of limiting detail. Readers who want to know more can always follow the citations. ] (] &middot; ]) 18:47, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::], it's not just "interesting", it's informative - it tells me something about the subject's political stance, whom he stands against, (and, as I said) his polemical style and his ability to acknowledge when he's gone too far. If your concern is that it's unduly negative, from this distance it doesn't look unduly negative - it's just the argy-bargy that politically engaged writers do. From here, that's how it looks.

::::::All that said, though, it's a pretty slim and fragmentary biography. A more complete, better-written piece may well convey what the disputed segments convey without needing to go into detail - or even mention the incidents - but that will depend on good sources doing the same.

::::::(The problem here - as with most of our biographies - is that the article is cobbled together based on primary sources, mostly news reports and journalistic commentary. In our other most sensitive field, medicine, our articles are based on secondary (peer-reviewed overviews by experts) and tertiary (graduate-level textbooks, other encyclopedias, etc.) sources, so we can take our lead on what/how to report from those expert overviews. Misplaced Pages should slash its "biography of living persons" offering back to only those subjects who have been well-covered in independent, reliable biographies. Until then, this.) --] (] · ] · ]) 20:00, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

:::::::I think a summary could be just as informative, and I don't think this level of detail is necessary to describe his polemical style—at this point I think it's very nearly a ] (minus the bullets). Now, I realize I'm swimming upstream here, and I do have other points to make, so I don't want to wear out either of you with an interminable argument. Indeed, I appreciate you continuing to discuss the matter. I want to try another version of the wording, aiming to find a middle ground between what I and TuckerResearch had proposed. I should have another version of compromise wording to share tomorrow. Best, ] (] &middot; ]) 22:15, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

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Hi again ] and ]. I've thought a bit further about my problems with these two paragraphs. It's actually not just that they are too long, though the second paragraph is, definitely. Additionally, the first one doesn't really explain what was going on in the Piers Morgan debate, while the circumstances of the Romney situation is difficult to follow (i.e. "caused a controversy by stating that by calling..."). With that in mind, here's another version for consideration. I have aimed to:

*Include some explanation for the basis of Touré's dispute with Piers Morgan
*Moving mentions of Mitt Romney and the phrase "racial coding" to earlier in the sentence, while moving use of the n-word back, putting it in full context
*Explaining circumstances in which Touré used the phrase "power of whiteness", and quoting just the key part of his apology
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Touré criticized and debated with ] over the latter's March 2012 interview with ]'s brother, particularly over what Touré saw as Morgan's lack of response to Robert Zimmerman's problematic replies.<ref name="Samuels">{{cite news |title=Piers Morgan Vs. Touré: How the CNN Host Blew It |author=Allison Samuels |url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/31/piers-morgan-vs-Touré-how-the-cnn-host-blew-it.html |work=The Daily Beast |date=31 March 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Christopher12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-challenges-msnbcs-toure-to-debate-via-twitter-feud/ |title=Update: Piers Morgan Books MSNBC's Touré in Real Time to Settle Twitter Feud |author=Tommy Christopher |date=30 March 2012 |work=Mediaite |publisher= |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Samuels"/> In August 2012, as part of a discussion on ''The Cycle'', Touré said that Republican presidential nominee ] engaged in racial coding by calling President ] "angry", and referred to this as "niggerization". He apologized for using the word the next day.<ref name="Wemple12">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark |author=Erik Wemple |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-Touré-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html |work=] |date=17 August 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref>

In May 2014, Touré was criticized for his response to a tweet comparing the African American experience following slavery to the U.S. immigrant experience following World War II. A blogger from the website ''Yo, Dat's Racis'!!'' tweeted at Touré, "My family survived a concentration camp, came to the US w/ nothing, LEGALLY, and made it work" and Touré replied, "the power of whiteness". This drew criticism from the ].<ref name="Chasmar14">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré says ‘power of whiteness’ benefited Holocaust survivors |author=Jessica Chasmar |url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/27/msnbcs-Touré-says-power-whiteness-benefitted-holoc/ |work=The Washington Times |date=27 May 2014 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> Touré apologized for his comment, saying he had "used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong".<ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref>{{reflist-talk|close=1}}|headerstyle=background:#ccfddc}}

{{hidden|header=Markup|content=<nowiki>Touré criticized and debated with ] over the latter's March 2012 interview with ]'s brother, particularly over what Touré saw as Morgan's lack of response to Robert Zimmerman's problematic replies.<ref name="Samuels">{{cite news |title=Piers Morgan Vs. Touré: How the CNN Host Blew It |author=Allison Samuels |url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/31/piers-morgan-vs-Touré-how-the-cnn-host-blew-it.html |work=The Daily Beast |date=31 March 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Christopher12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-challenges-msnbcs-toure-to-debate-via-twitter-feud/ |title=Update: Piers Morgan Books MSNBC's Touré in Real Time to Settle Twitter Feud |author=Tommy Christopher |date=30 March 2012 |work=Mediaite |publisher= |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Samuels"/> In August 2012, as part of a discussion on ''The Cycle'', Touré said that Republican presidential nominee ] engaged in racial coding by calling President ] "angry", and referred to this as "niggerization". He apologized for using the word the next day.<ref name="Wemple12">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark |author=Erik Wemple |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-Touré-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html |work=] |date=17 August 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref>

In May 2014, Touré was criticized for his response to a tweet comparing the African American experience following slavery to the U.S. immigrant experience following World War II. A blogger from the website ''Yo, Dat's Racis'!!'' tweeted at Touré, "My family survived a concentration camp, came to the US w/ nothing, LEGALLY, and made it work" and Touré replied, "the power of whiteness". This drew criticism from the ].<ref name="Chasmar14">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré says ‘power of whiteness’ benefited Holocaust survivors |author=Jessica Chasmar |url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/27/msnbcs-Touré-says-power-whiteness-benefitted-holoc/ |work=The Washington Times |date=27 May 2014 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> Touré apologized for his comment, saying he had "used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong".<ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref></nowiki>|headerstyle=background:#ccccff}}

I still think this is rather more than is really necessary—the Morgan debate especially seems not that interesting—but so long as there is support to retain this level of detail, I think the version I've offered is both more efficient and more informative. What do either of you think? ] (] &middot; ]) 18:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

:I'm fine with that - it's better prose. --] (] · ] · ]) 21:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

::I find the first paragraph quite acceptable, and the second paragraph mostly so. For the latter I'd suggest the following minor tweaks:
<blockquote>In May 2014, Touré was criticized for his response to a tweet comparing the African American experience following slavery with the experience of Holocaust survivors in the U.S. following World War II. A blogger from the website ''Yo, Dat's Racis'!!'' tweeted at Touré, "My family survived a concentration camp, came to the US w/ nothing, LEGALLY, and made it work" and Touré replied that this was accomplished due to "the power of whiteness." This drew criticism from the ]. Touré apologized for his comment, saying he had "used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong."</blockquote>
::Just a few minor tweaks. ] (]) 04:20, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

:::Glad to hear you're both generally happy with the wording I proposed. ], I'm on the fence about one of the changes that you suggested above, specifically adding "that this was accomplished due to" before the quote of Touré's tweet. Here's my concern: the full extent of Touré's reply was "the power of whiteness", but saying he "replied that this was accomplished due to 'the power of whiteness'" makes it sound like there was more to the reply that isn't quoted here. Do you see what I mean? I think due to that, I would prefer to just say "and Touré replied, 'the power of whiteness'." What do you think? ] (] &middot; ]) 15:20, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

::::Okay, I get your trepidation that it seems there was more to Touré's reply, but I worry that without some sort of editorial emendation, the reply might seem like a non sequitur. I don't want to make the paragraph any longer. So how about this (it also removes the passive voice): <blockquote>In May 2014, Touré drew criticism from the ] for implying Holocaust succeeded in the U.S. after the Second World War because they were white. A blogger from the website ''Yo, Dat's Racis'!!'' tweeted at Touré, "My family survived a concentration camp, came to the US w/ nothing, LEGALLY, and made it work" and Touré replied, "the power of whiteness." Touré later apologized for his comment, saying he had "used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong."</blockquote>
::::Cool? (And it's even shorter.) ] (]) 03:07, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

:::::To be honest, I think I prefer your previous version here, TuckerResearch. The newer proposed wording now doesn't mention the fact that the Twitter conversation was about comparing the experience of post-slavery African Americans with Holocaust survivor immigrants in the U.S. Without mentioning that this comparison was being made, it now sounds like Touré was included on a conversation about Holocaust survivors and out of the blue decided to bring race into it. While I feel like it would be better to just quote Touré's tweet without editorialization, and allow readers to form their own conclusions, I'm open to compromise and would be OK with your previous wording. As I said before, I'm on the fence about it, but overall I prefer it to your most recent suggestion. Does that work for you? ] (] &middot; ]) 16:02, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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To be frank, ], Touré ''did'' decide "out of the blue" to "bring race into it." But, I also understand your concern that Touré was trying to instigate a wider discussion about race relations post-1945. Thus, how about this version, now combined into one short paragraph instead of two, a few minor word changes, and a lengthier quotation from Touré to show he was trying to open up a discussion on race, viz.:

{{hidden|TuckerResearch suggestion v2 |content=Touré criticized and debated with ] over the latter's March 2012 interview with ]'s brother, particularly over what Touré saw as Morgan's lack of response to Robert Zimmerman's problematic replies.<ref name="Samuels">{{cite news |title=Piers Morgan Vs. Touré: How the CNN Host Blew It |author=Allison Samuels |url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/31/piers-morgan-vs-Touré-how-the-cnn-host-blew-it.html |work=The Daily Beast |date=31 March 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Christopher12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-challenges-msnbcs-toure-to-debate-via-twitter-feud/ |title=Update: Piers Morgan Books MSNBC's Touré in Real Time to Settle Twitter Feud |author=Tommy Christopher |date=30 March 2012 |work=Mediaite |publisher= |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref> In August 2012, as part of a discussion on ''The Cycle'', Touré said that Republican presidential nominee ] engaged in racial coding by calling President ] "angry", and referred to this as "niggerization". He apologized for using the word the next day.<ref name="Wemple12">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark |author=Erik Wemple |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-Touré-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html |work=] |date=17 August 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> In May 2014, Touré drew criticism from the ] for implying Holocaust survivors succeeded in the U.S. after the Second World War because they were white. A blogger from the website ''Yo, Dat's Racis'!!'' tweeted at Touré, "My family survived a concentration camp, came to the US w/ nothing, LEGALLY, and made it work" to which Touré replied, "the power of whiteness." Touré later apologized for his comment, saying, "In an attempt to comment on racism in post World War II America, I used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong."<ref name="Chasmar14">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré says ‘power of whiteness’ benefited Holocaust survivors |author=Jessica Chasmar |url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/27/msnbcs-Touré-says-power-whiteness-benefitted-holoc/ |work=The Washington Times |date=27 May 2014 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref>{{reflist-talk|close=1}}|headerstyle=background:#ccfddc}}

{{hidden|header=Markup|content=<nowiki>Touré criticized and debated with ] over the latter's March 2012 interview with ]'s brother, particularly over what Touré saw as Morgan's lack of response to Robert Zimmerman's problematic replies.<ref name="Samuels">{{cite news |title=Piers Morgan Vs. Touré: How the CNN Host Blew It |author=Allison Samuels |url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/31/piers-morgan-vs-Touré-how-the-cnn-host-blew-it.html |work=The Daily Beast |date=31 March 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Christopher12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-challenges-msnbcs-toure-to-debate-via-twitter-feud/ |title=Update: Piers Morgan Books MSNBC's Touré in Real Time to Settle Twitter Feud |author=Tommy Christopher |date=30 March 2012 |work=Mediaite |publisher= |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref> In August 2012, as part of a discussion on ''The Cycle'', Touré said that Republican presidential nominee ] engaged in racial coding by calling President ] "angry", and referred to this as "niggerization". He apologized for using the word the next day.<ref name="Wemple12">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark |author=Erik Wemple |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-Touré-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html |work=] |date=17 August 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> In May 2014, Touré drew criticism from the ] for implying Holocaust survivors succeeded in the U.S. after the Second World War because they were white. A blogger from the website ''Yo, Dat's Racis'!!'' tweeted at Touré, "My family survived a concentration camp, came to the US w/ nothing, LEGALLY, and made it work" to which Touré replied, "the power of whiteness." Touré later apologized for his comment, saying, "In an attempt to comment on racism in post World War II America, I used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong."<ref name="Chasmar14">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré says ‘power of whiteness’ benefited Holocaust survivors |author=Jessica Chasmar |url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/27/msnbcs-Touré-says-power-whiteness-benefitted-holoc/ |work=The Washington Times |date=27 May 2014 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref>{{reflist-talk|close=1}}</nowiki>|headerstyle=background:#ccccff}}

What do you think of this? Which version do other editors (]?) think is best? (Although, right now, this seems like a three-person conversation... which is disappointing.) (And, I thank you again for being a patient and thoughtful editor. So very often such debates on Misplaced Pages turn vitriolic. So, this sort of restores my faith in mankind.) ] (]) 19:36, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

:PS - Added word "survivors" to suggestion above - otherwise it made no sense! Oops! ] (]) 19:42, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

::Seems OK. --] (] · ] · ]) 20:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

:::Since Anthonyhcole gave his thumbs up, I went ahead and edited the section on Touré's page. I hope you don't think that's too drastic? I think the article looks better now, and is not so needlessly long or critical. I thank you both, WWB_Too and Anthonyhcole , for going through this process. I am serious, however, that more should be added about his writing career. ] (]) 00:17, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

::::Sorry for the delayed reply, I've been traveling since the weekend. I'm fine with the wording you added ]; I would have loved to get this shorter but I understand why you prefer a little more verbiage here. Also, I completely agree about there needing to be more on his career. I'm working on that now (as well as a new photo that I've uploaded to Commons and am waiting for the copyright release to be confirmed by OTRS).

::::In the meantime, ] I wonder if you have any thoughts on the inclusion of the coverage and criticism of ''The Fire This Time'' from ''The Daily Caller'', as discussed above? Cheers, ] (] &middot; ]) 19:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

== Archives? ==

Where are the archives for this talk page? --] (] · ] · ]) 01:36, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

:I found the archives and got them here. The links to them are posted above. ] (]) 18:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

== Updates and new material ==

Although I'm still hoping to discuss further the inclusion of the criticism from ''The Daily Caller'', in the meantime I'd like to move on with proposing some constructive updates and additions to the article. I'll put the simple ones up front:

*In the lede, there's a few tweaks needed to bring this up to date:
:#I suggest replacing the second and third sentences with the following: "{{As of|2014|11}}, he is co-host of '']'' on ]. He was also the host of ]'s ''Hiphop Shop'' and ''On the Record'' and a contributor to ]'s '']''. He serves on the ] Nominating Committee."
:#The sentence about Tisch should read "taught" not "teaches", as he is no longer teaching there
*Under '']'':
:#The following citation can be added to support the sentence about Emory, currently marked ''cite needed'': {{xt|<nowiki><ref name="AfraidGoogle">{{cite web |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=ZZwb3eJuLw4C&pg=PR19&lpg=PR19&dq=toure+emory+drop+out&source=bl&ots=pe2Z_M32K7&sig=COJh6q8md_6DLtQXyfKZMLyNAgA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UiBqVJ33EYSWyAS39oG4Ag&ved=0CCQQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=toure%20emory%20drop%20out&f=false |title=Who's Afraid of Post-Blackness? |author=Toure |date= |work= |publisher=Simon & Shuster |accessdate=17 November 2014}}</ref></nowiki>}}
:#I also have a citation for the sentence regarding Columbia University, although here I'd suggest a slight change in wording: "In 1996, he attended Columbia University's MFA writing program for one year." Citation: {{xt|<nowiki><ref name="Jones02">{{cite news |title=BIBR spotlight: Toure: a charmed life |author=Mondella S. Jones |url=http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BIBR+spotlight%3A+Toure%3A+a+charmed+life.-a089148215 |work=Black Issues Book Review |date=1 July 2002 |accessdate=26 November 2014}}</ref></nowiki>}}

I'd also like to propose expanding the information in the ''Career'' section to include more about Touré's books and his television roles. Since this is a little more involved, I'll share my full draft rather than bulleting out individual changes. Please note that I've included the current wording in the article regarding ''The Daily Caller'' criticism, and the controversies from the ''Television'' section. The only adjustment I'm suggesting here compared to the current wording for the former, is to describe ''The Fire This Time'' as a "student newspaper", not a "black student newspaper".

Here's the draft I'm proposing, with unformatted markup in case there's consensus to move it over:

{{hidden|Expanded ''Career'' draft |content={{fake heading|sub=2|Career}}
{{fake heading|sub=3|Writing career}}
While a student at ], Touré founded the student newspaper, ''The Fire This Time'' in 1990.<ref name="Emory09">{{cite web|author=Loftus, Mary J.|url=http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_MAGAZINE/2009/autumn/black-star.html|work=Emory Magazine|title= News makers|date=Autumn 2009|accessdate=25 April 2012}}</ref> In an interview with ''The Daily Caller'' in 2013, Touré said ''The Fire This Time'' had been "an important black voice on campus" and "a form of community building."<ref name="DailyCaller">{{cite web|author=Johnson, Charles C.; Girdusky, Ryan|title=MSNBC’s Touré founded militant anti-white student paper|url=http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/09/msnbcs-Touré-founded-militant-anti-white-student-paper/|publisher=] |date=April 9, 2013}}</ref><ref name=Yahoo!News>Ritz, Eric (April 9, 2013). . ].</ref> ''The Daily Caller'''s article on Touré and his college years was critical, claiming that ''The Fire This Time'' was a "militant" African-American publication.<ref name=DailyCaller/><ref name=Yahoo!News/>

Touré began his writing career as an intern at '']'' in 1992.<ref name="Williams">{{cite news |title=Tora! Tora! Touré!: The “Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?” Interview |author=Kam Williams |url=http://www.pittsburghurbanmedia.com/Tora-Tora-Tour-The-Whos-Afraid-of-Post-Blackness-Interview-/ |work=Pittsburgh Urban Media |date= |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> He has contributed essays and articles to ''Rolling Stone'',<ref name="Crimson12">{{cite news |title=Critic Toure Reveals Prince's Religious Roots |author=Petey E. Menz |url=http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/3/27/toure-prince-lectures/ |work=The Harvard Crimson |date=27 March 2012 |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/8898314 |archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20060526041646/http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/8898314/the_book_of_jay |archivedate=2006 |year=2006 |title=The Book of Jay |publisher='']'' online |author=Touré}}</ref><ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/adele-opens-up-about-her-inspirations-looks-and-stage-fright-in-new-rolling-stone-cover-story-20110413 | title=Adele Opens Up About Her Inspirations, Looks and Stage Fright in New Rolling Stone Cover Story|newspaper=]| date=April 13, 2011|accessdate=July 5, 2012}}</ref><ref name=TopCircle>{{cite web|last=Mattei|first=Al|title=Book Review: Visionary Choice Mark 2001 Edition|url=http://www.topofthecircle.com/BEST2001.html|publisher=www.topofthecircle.com|accessdate=May 7, 2012}}</ref> '']'',.<ref>Lewis, Miles Marshall (August 25, 2011). . ''The Huffington Post''.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (March 23, 2014). . '']'' magazine.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (August 5, 2011). . '']''.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (April 2014). "How the Central Park Five Still Haunt America". '']''. pp 54-58, 126-127</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (April 11, 2013). . ''Time''.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (January 24, 2006}. . '']''.</ref> '']'', '']''<ref name="Post">{{cite news |title=Black America and the burden of the perfect victim |author=Toure |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/black-america-and-the-burden-of-the-perfect-victim/2014/08/22/30318ec2-27d1-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html |work=The Washington Post |date=22 Aug 2014 |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> and '']''.<ref>. ]. November 28, 2011.</ref>

His ''Rolling Stone'' article about ], "Kurt is My Co-Pilot", was included in ''The Best American Sports Writing 2001''.<ref name=TopCircle/><ref>{{cite web|title=Best American Sports Writing Index 1991-2012|url=http://indiepro.com/glenn/best-american-sports-writing-index-1991-2010/|publisher=indiepro.com|accessdate=May 7, 2012}}</ref> His writing has also been featured in the collections ''Best American Essays of 1999'', the ''Da Capo Best Music Writing of 2004'' and ''Best American Erotica of 2004''.<ref name="SimonSchu">{{cite web |url=http://www.simonspeakers.com/Touré |title=Touré Speaker Bureau Bio |author= |date= |work= |publisher=Simon & Schuester |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref>

Touré has written five books. In 2002, his short story collection ''Portable Promised Land'' was published. He also wrote a novel, ''Soul City'', published in 2004,<ref name="West04">{{cite web |url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,688726,00.html |title=Soul City |author=Abby West |date=3 September 2004 |work= |publisher=Entertainment Weekly |accessdate=19 November 2014}}</ref> which was set in an an African-American utopia, according to ''The Washington Post''.<ref name="WP04">{{cite web |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46574-2004Oct19.html |title=Over the Top in a Hip-Hop World |author=Patrick Neate |date=20 October 2004 |work=Book Report |publisher=Washington Post |accessdate=19 November 2014}}</ref> His 2006 essay collection “Never Drank the Kool-Aid,” included the personal essay "What's Inside You, Brother?", which was considered for inclusion in ]'s "Best American Essays of 1996".<ref name="Kirkus">{{cite web |url=https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/toure/never-drank-the-kool-aid/ |title=Never Drank the Kool-Aid |author= |date=1 March 2006 |work=Picador |publisher=Kirkus Reviews |accessdate=17 November 2014}}</ref> In 2012, Touré published ''Who's Afraid of Post-Blackness?: What it Means to be Black Now'', a book on race in modern America based on a collection of interviews Touré conducted with over 100 prominent African-American icons.<ref>Pierre, Brittny (March 7, 2013. . ''The Village Voice''.</ref><ref>Patterson, Orlando (September 22, 2011). . ''The New York Times''.</ref><ref>. '']''. Retrieved August 29, 2014.</ref> ''Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?'' was named one of the most influential books of 2011 by both '']'' and '']'', and the book earned Touré a nomination for an ] Image Award for Outstanding Literary Work in Non-Fiction.<ref name="Finn">{{cite news |title=Wooster Forum to Examine the Complexity of Race |author=John Finn |url=http://www.wooster.edu/news/releases/2013/august/forum-overview/ |work=The College of Wooster |date=27 August 2013 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> In 2013, Touré published ''I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became an Icon'', a biography of ] that discusses the pop artist's works and legacy in a religious context. The book is based on a series of lectures Touré delivered at ] in 2012.<ref>Pierre, Brittny (March 7, 2013. . ''The Village Voice''.</ref>

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In 2002, Touré appeared opposite Paula Zahn on ]'s '']''<ref name="CNN02">{{cite web |url=http://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/29/rising.cnna/index.html |title=Does 'The Rising' touch the sky? |author= |date=30 July 2002 |work=American Morning |publisher=CNN |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> and afterward was featured three times a week on a panel called 90-Second Pop.<ref name="Pittsburgh">{{cite web |url=http://www.pittsburghurbanmedia.com/Tora-Tora-Tour-The-Whos-Afraid-of-Post-Blackness-Interview-/ |title=Tora! Tora! Touré!: The “Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?” Interview |author=Kam Williams |date= |work= |publisher=Pittsburgh Urban Media |accessdate=3 November 2014}}</ref> Touré was subsequently hired as CNN's first pop culture correspondent.<ref name="Clutch">{{cite news |title=The Love-Hate Complexities of Touré and What it Teaches Us About Blackness |author=Evette Dionne |url=http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012/10/the-love-hate-complexities-of-toure-and-what-it-teaches-us-about-blackness/ |work=Clutch Magazine |date= |accessdate=3 November 2014}}</ref> In 2005, ] hired Touré to cover BET News and Public Affairs programming.<ref name="UPI">{{cite press release |title=Pop Culture Personality Toure Headed to BET News |url=http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/pop-culture-personality-toure-headed-to-bet-news-55365662.html |publisher=PR Newswire |date=4 November 2005 |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref>

He also hosted the series ''Community Surface'' on ]<ref>. ]. Retrieved April 12, 2013.</ref> and MTV's ''Spoke N' Heard'',<ref name="MTV2">{{cite web |url=http://www.bklynlibrary.org/media/press/brooklyn-writers-brooklyn-readers-toure |title=Brooklyn Writers for Brooklyn Readers - Toure |author= |date=30 November 2005 |work= |publisher=Brooklyn Public Library |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> and was interviewed on the life of ] for the rapper's '']'' episode.<ref>'']: Eminem''. ]</ref> In 2008, he hosted the reality show ''I'll Try Anything Once'', where he tried a variety of jobs and activities, including rodeo clowning and lumberjacking.<ref name="Macintyre08">{{cite web |url=http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/reviews/article_1391328.php/Review_and_Interview_Ill_Try_Anything_Once_on_Treasure_HD_a_no_miss |title=Review and Interview: 'I'll Try Anything Once' on Treasure HD a no miss |author=April MacIntyre |date=2008 |work=Smallscreen Reviews |publisher=M&C |accessdate=19 November 2014}}</ref>

He currently hosts '']'' on MSNBC with former congressional candidate ], moderate Republican ], and ] correspondent ].<ref name="Lauerman06212012">{{cite web|url=http://www.salon.com/2012/06/21/steve_kornacki_msnbc_host/|title=Kornacki an MSNBC host, too|last=Lauerman|first=Kerry|date=June 21, 2012|work=Salon Magazine|publisher=Salon Media Group|accessdate=June 22, 2012}}</ref> ''The Cycle'''s key demographic is made up of ] viewers, and its success in this age bracket has been attributed to the engaging personalities of its unusually young hosts.<ref name="Wrap13">{{cite news |title=How MSNBC's ‘The Cycle’ Won Me Over |author=Mary Nissenson |url=http://www.thewrap.com/tv/blog-post/draft-hollyblog-video-83081/ |work=The Wrap |date=29 March 2013 |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> Touré often introduces race theory into political discussion on the show.<ref name="Rothman12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/why-msnbcs-the-cycle-will-shape-the-future-of-cable-news/ |title=Why MSNBC's The Cycle Will Shape the Future of Cable News |author=Noah Rothman |date=10 October 2012 |work= |publisher=Mediaite |accessdate=24 November 2014}}</ref>

Touré criticized and debated with ] over the latter's March 2012 interview with ]'s brother, particularly over what Touré saw as Morgan's lack of response to Robert Zimmerman's problematic replies.<ref name="Samuels">{{cite news |title=Piers Morgan Vs. Touré: How the CNN Host Blew It |author=Allison Samuels |url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/31/piers-morgan-vs-Touré-how-the-cnn-host-blew-it.html |work=The Daily Beast |date=31 March 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Christopher12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-challenges-msnbcs-toure-to-debate-via-twitter-feud/ |title=Update: Piers Morgan Books MSNBC's Touré in Real Time to Settle Twitter Feud |author=Tommy Christopher |date=30 March 2012 |work=Mediaite |publisher= |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref> In August 2012, as part of a discussion on ''The Cycle'', Touré said that Republican presidential nominee ] engaged in racial coding by calling President ] "angry", and referred to this as "niggerization". He apologized for using the word the next day.<ref name="Wemple12">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark |author=Erik Wemple |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-Touré-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html |work=] |date=17 August 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> In May 2014, Touré drew criticism from the ] for implying Holocaust survivors succeeded in the U.S. after the Second World War because they were white. A blogger from the website ''Yo, Dat's Racis'!!'' tweeted at Touré, "My family survived a concentration camp, came to the US w/ nothing, LEGALLY, and made it work" to which Touré replied, "the power of whiteness." Touré later apologized for his comment, saying, "In an attempt to comment on racism in post World War II America, I used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong."<ref name="Chasmar14">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré says ‘power of whiteness’ benefited Holocaust survivors |author=Jessica Chasmar |url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/27/msnbcs-Touré-says-power-whiteness-benefitted-holoc/ |work=The Washington Times |date=27 May 2014 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref>{{reflist-talk|close=1}}|headerstyle=background:#ccfddc}}

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While a student at ], Touré founded the student newspaper, ''The Fire This Time'' in 1990.<ref name="Emory09">{{cite web|author=Loftus, Mary J.|url=http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_MAGAZINE/2009/autumn/black-star.html|work=Emory Magazine|title= News makers|date=Autumn 2009|accessdate=25 April 2012}}</ref> In an interview with ''The Daily Caller'' in 2013, Touré said ''The Fire This Time'' had been "an important black voice on campus" and "a form of community building."<ref name="DailyCaller">{{cite web|author=Johnson, Charles C.; Girdusky, Ryan|title=MSNBC’s Touré founded militant anti-white student paper|url=http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/09/msnbcs-Touré-founded-militant-anti-white-student-paper/|publisher=] |date=April 9, 2013}}</ref><ref name=Yahoo!News>Ritz, Eric (April 9, 2013). . ].</ref> ''The Daily Caller'''s article on Touré and his college years was critical, claiming that ''The Fire This Time'' was a "militant" African-American publication.<ref name=DailyCaller/><ref name=Yahoo!News/></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>Touré began his writing career as an intern at '']'' in 1992.<ref name="Williams">{{cite news |title=Tora! Tora! Touré!: The “Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?” Interview |author=Kam Williams |url=http://www.pittsburghurbanmedia.com/Tora-Tora-Tour-The-Whos-Afraid-of-Post-Blackness-Interview-/ |work=Pittsburgh Urban Media |date= |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> He has contributed essays and articles to ''Rolling Stone'',<ref name="Crimson12">{{cite news |title=Critic Toure Reveals Prince's Religious Roots |author=Petey E. Menz |url=http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/3/27/toure-prince-lectures/ |work=The Harvard Crimson |date=27 March 2012 |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/8898314 |archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20060526041646/http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/8898314/the_book_of_jay |archivedate=2006 |year=2006 |title=The Book of Jay |publisher='']'' online |author=Touré}}</ref><ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/adele-opens-up-about-her-inspirations-looks-and-stage-fright-in-new-rolling-stone-cover-story-20110413 | title=Adele Opens Up About Her Inspirations, Looks and Stage Fright in New Rolling Stone Cover Story|newspaper=]| date=April 13, 2011|accessdate=July 5, 2012}}</ref><ref name=TopCircle>{{cite web|last=Mattei|first=Al|title=Book Review: Visionary Choice Mark 2001 Edition|url=http://www.topofthecircle.com/BEST2001.html|publisher=www.topofthecircle.com|accessdate=May 7, 2012}}</ref> '']'',.<ref>Lewis, Miles Marshall (August 25, 2011). . ''The Huffington Post''.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (March 23, 2014). . '']'' magazine.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (August 5, 2011). . '']''.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (April 2014). "How the Central Park Five Still Haunt America". '']''. pp 54-58, 126-127</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (April 11, 2013). . ''Time''.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (January 24, 2006}. . '']''.</ref> '']'', '']''<ref name="Post">{{cite news |title=Black America and the burden of the perfect victim |author=Toure |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/black-america-and-the-burden-of-the-perfect-victim/2014/08/22/30318ec2-27d1-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html |work=The Washington Post |date=22 Aug 2014 |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> and '']''.<ref>. ]. November 28, 2011.</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>His ''Rolling Stone'' article about ], "Kurt is My Co-Pilot", was included in ''The Best American Sports Writing 2001''.<ref name=TopCircle/><ref>{{cite web|title=Best American Sports Writing Index 1991-2012|url=http://indiepro.com/glenn/best-american-sports-writing-index-1991-2010/|publisher=indiepro.com|accessdate=May 7, 2012}}</ref> His writing has also been featured in the collections ''Best American Essays of 1999'', the ''Da Capo Best Music Writing of 2004'' and ''Best American Erotica of 2004''.<ref name="SimonSchu">{{cite web |url=http://www.simonspeakers.com/Touré |title=Touré Speaker Bureau Bio |author= |date= |work= |publisher=Simon & Schuester |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>Touré has written five books. In 2002, his short story collection ''Portable Promised Land'' was published. He also wrote a novel, ''Soul City'', published in 2004,<ref name="West04">{{cite web |url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,688726,00.html |title=Soul City |author=Abby West |date=3 September 2004 |work= |publisher=Entertainment Weekly |accessdate=19 November 2014}}</ref> which was set in an an African-American utopia, according to ''The Washington Post''.<ref name="WP04">{{cite web |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46574-2004Oct19.html |title=Over the Top in a Hip-Hop World |author=Patrick Neate |date=20 October 2004 |work=Book Report |publisher=Washington Post |accessdate=19 November 2014}}</ref> His 2006 essay collection “Never Drank the Kool-Aid,” included the personal essay "What's Inside You, Brother?", which was considered for inclusion in ]'s "Best American Essays of 1996".<ref name="Kirkus">{{cite web |url=https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/toure/never-drank-the-kool-aid/ |title=Never Drank the Kool-Aid |author= |date=1 March 2006 |work=Picador |publisher=Kirkus Reviews |accessdate=17 November 2014}}</ref> In 2012, Touré published ''Who's Afraid of Post-Blackness?: What it Means to be Black Now'', a book on race in modern America based on a collection of interviews Touré conducted with over 100 prominent African-American icons.<ref>Pierre, Brittny (March 7, 2013. . ''The Village Voice''.</ref><ref>Patterson, Orlando (September 22, 2011). . ''The New York Times''.</ref><ref>. '']''. Retrieved August 29, 2014.</ref> ''Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?'' was named one of the most influential books of 2011 by both '']'' and '']'', and the book earned Touré a nomination for an ] Image Award for Outstanding Literary Work in Non-Fiction.<ref name="Finn">{{cite news |title=Wooster Forum to Examine the Complexity of Race |author=John Finn |url=http://www.wooster.edu/news/releases/2013/august/forum-overview/ |work=The College of Wooster |date=27 August 2013 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> In 2013, Touré published ''I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became an Icon'', a biography of ] that discusses the pop artist's works and legacy in a religious context. The book is based on a series of lectures Touré delivered at ] in 2012.<ref>Pierre, Brittny (March 7, 2013. . ''The Village Voice''.</ref></nowiki><br>

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<nowiki>] at the 2009 ].]]</nowiki><br>

<nowiki>In 2002, Touré appeared opposite Paula Zahn on ]'s '']''<ref name="CNN02">{{cite web |url=http://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/29/rising.cnna/index.html |title=Does 'The Rising' touch the sky? |author= |date=30 July 2002 |work=American Morning |publisher=CNN |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> and afterward was featured three times a week on a panel called 90-Second Pop.<ref name="Pittsburgh">{{cite web |url=http://www.pittsburghurbanmedia.com/Tora-Tora-Tour-The-Whos-Afraid-of-Post-Blackness-Interview-/ |title=Tora! Tora! Touré!: The “Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?” Interview |author=Kam Williams |date= |work= |publisher=Pittsburgh Urban Media |accessdate=3 November 2014}}</ref> Touré was subsequently hired as CNN's first pop culture correspondent.<ref name="Clutch">{{cite news |title=The Love-Hate Complexities of Touré and What it Teaches Us About Blackness |author=Evette Dionne |url=http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012/10/the-love-hate-complexities-of-toure-and-what-it-teaches-us-about-blackness/ |work=Clutch Magazine |date= |accessdate=3 November 2014}}</ref> In 2005, ] hired Touré to cover BET News and Public Affairs programming.<ref name="UPI">{{cite press release |title=Pop Culture Personality Toure Headed to BET News |url=http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/pop-culture-personality-toure-headed-to-bet-news-55365662.html |publisher=PR Newswire |date=4 November 2005 |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>He also hosted the series ''Community Surface'' on ]<ref>. ]. Retrieved April 12, 2013.</ref> and MTV's ''Spoke N' Heard'',<ref name="MTV2">{{cite web |url=http://www.bklynlibrary.org/media/press/brooklyn-writers-brooklyn-readers-toure |title=Brooklyn Writers for Brooklyn Readers - Toure |author= |date=30 November 2005 |work= |publisher=Brooklyn Public Library |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> and was interviewed on the life of ] for the rapper's '']'' episode.<ref>'']: Eminem''. ]</ref> In 2008, he hosted the reality show ''I'll Try Anything Once'', where he tried a variety of jobs and activities, including rodeo clowning and lumberjacking.<ref name="Macintyre08">{{cite web |url=http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/reviews/article_1391328.php/Review_and_Interview_Ill_Try_Anything_Once_on_Treasure_HD_a_no_miss |title=Review and Interview: 'I'll Try Anything Once' on Treasure HD a no miss |author=April MacIntyre |date=2008 |work=Smallscreen Reviews |publisher=M&C |accessdate=19 November 2014}}</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>He currently hosts '']'' on MSNBC with former congressional candidate ], moderate Republican ], and ] correspondent ].<ref name="Lauerman06212012">{{cite web|url=http://www.salon.com/2012/06/21/steve_kornacki_msnbc_host/|title=Kornacki an MSNBC host, too|last=Lauerman|first=Kerry|date=June 21, 2012|work=Salon Magazine|publisher=Salon Media Group|accessdate=June 22, 2012}}</ref> ''The Cycle'''s key demographic is made up of ] viewers, and its success in this age bracket has been attributed to the engaging personalities of its unusually young hosts.<ref name="Wrap13">{{cite news |title=How MSNBC's ‘The Cycle’ Won Me Over |author=Mary Nissenson |url=http://www.thewrap.com/tv/blog-post/draft-hollyblog-video-83081/ |work=The Wrap |date=29 March 2013 |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> Touré often introduces race theory into political discussion on the show.<ref name="Rothman12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/why-msnbcs-the-cycle-will-shape-the-future-of-cable-news/ |title=Why MSNBC's The Cycle Will Shape the Future of Cable News |author=Noah Rothman |date=10 October 2012 |work= |publisher=Mediaite |accessdate=24 November 2014}}</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>Touré criticized and debated with ] over the latter's March 2012 interview with ]'s brother, particularly over what Touré saw as Morgan's lack of response to Robert Zimmerman's problematic replies.<ref name="Samuels">{{cite news |title=Piers Morgan Vs. Touré: How the CNN Host Blew It |author=Allison Samuels |url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/31/piers-morgan-vs-Touré-how-the-cnn-host-blew-it.html |work=The Daily Beast |date=31 March 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Christopher12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-challenges-msnbcs-toure-to-debate-via-twitter-feud/ |title=Update: Piers Morgan Books MSNBC's Touré in Real Time to Settle Twitter Feud |author=Tommy Christopher |date=30 March 2012 |work=Mediaite |publisher= |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref> In August 2012, as part of a discussion on ''The Cycle'', Touré said that Republican presidential nominee ] engaged in racial coding by calling President ] "angry", and referred to this as "niggerization". He apologized for using the word the next day.<ref name="Wemple12">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark |author=Erik Wemple |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-Touré-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html |work=] |date=17 August 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> In May 2014, Touré drew criticism from the ] for implying Holocaust survivors succeeded in the U.S. after the Second World War because they were white. A blogger from the website ''Yo, Dat's Racis'!!'' tweeted at Touré, "My family survived a concentration camp, came to the US w/ nothing, LEGALLY, and made it work" to which Touré replied, "the power of whiteness." Touré later apologized for his comment, saying, "In an attempt to comment on racism in post World War II America, I used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong."<ref name="Chasmar14">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré says ‘power of whiteness’ benefited Holocaust survivors |author=Jessica Chasmar |url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/27/msnbcs-Touré-says-power-whiteness-benefitted-holoc/ |work=The Washington Times |date=27 May 2014 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref></nowiki>|headerstyle=background:#ccccff}}

] and ]: since you've both mentioned above that it would be good to expand this article with more information about Touré, I wonder if you'd be interested in reviewing my drafted changes and making them if they look good? Cheers, ] (] &middot; ]) 21:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

:It all looks peachy to me. ] (]) 00:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

::Great to hear! Let's see if Anthonyhcole agrees. ] (] &middot; ]) 01:12, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:That all looks good to me. While you're at it, would you consider replacing the full stop with a colon here: "...were white. A blog..."? The second sentence beginning with "A blog..." clarifies, elaborates on the first and for me the colon makes that clear from the get-go (though it becomes clear as you read on). No big deal.

:Also, in the book citation you can cut off the last bits of the url, leaving only http://books.google.com/books?id=ZZwb3eJuLw4C&pg=PR19 . That will eliminate the yellow highlighting when readers click through to the Google preview. --] (] · ] · ]) 13:58, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

::Great! That edit sounds fine to me, ]. Here's the updated markup:

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==Career==</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>===Writing career===</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>While a student at ], Touré founded the student newspaper, ''The Fire This Time'' in 1990.<ref name="Emory09">{{cite web|author=Loftus, Mary J.|url=http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_MAGAZINE/2009/autumn/black-star.html|work=Emory Magazine|title= News makers|date=Autumn 2009|accessdate=25 April 2012}}</ref> In an interview with ''The Daily Caller'' in 2013, Touré said ''The Fire This Time'' had been "an important black voice on campus" and "a form of community building."<ref name="DailyCaller">{{cite web|author=Johnson, Charles C.; Girdusky, Ryan|title=MSNBC’s Touré founded militant anti-white student paper|url=http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/09/msnbcs-Touré-founded-militant-anti-white-student-paper/|publisher=] |date=April 9, 2013}}</ref><ref name=Yahoo!News>Ritz, Eric (April 9, 2013). . ].</ref> ''The Daily Caller'''s article on Touré and his college years was critical, claiming that ''The Fire This Time'' was a "militant" African-American publication.<ref name=DailyCaller/><ref name=Yahoo!News/></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>Touré began his writing career as an intern at '']'' in 1992.<ref name="Williams">{{cite news |title=Tora! Tora! Touré!: The “Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?” Interview |author=Kam Williams |url=http://www.pittsburghurbanmedia.com/Tora-Tora-Tour-The-Whos-Afraid-of-Post-Blackness-Interview-/ |work=Pittsburgh Urban Media |date= |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> He has contributed essays and articles to ''Rolling Stone'',<ref name="Crimson12">{{cite news |title=Critic Toure Reveals Prince's Religious Roots |author=Petey E. Menz |url=http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/3/27/toure-prince-lectures/ |work=The Harvard Crimson |date=27 March 2012 |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/8898314 |archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20060526041646/http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/8898314/the_book_of_jay |archivedate=2006 |year=2006 |title=The Book of Jay |publisher='']'' online |author=Touré}}</ref><ref>{{cite news| url=http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/adele-opens-up-about-her-inspirations-looks-and-stage-fright-in-new-rolling-stone-cover-story-20110413 | title=Adele Opens Up About Her Inspirations, Looks and Stage Fright in New Rolling Stone Cover Story|newspaper=]| date=April 13, 2011|accessdate=July 5, 2012}}</ref><ref name=TopCircle>{{cite web|last=Mattei|first=Al|title=Book Review: Visionary Choice Mark 2001 Edition|url=http://www.topofthecircle.com/BEST2001.html|publisher=www.topofthecircle.com|accessdate=May 7, 2012}}</ref> '']'',.<ref>Lewis, Miles Marshall (August 25, 2011). . ''The Huffington Post''.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (March 23, 2014). . '']'' magazine.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (August 5, 2011). . '']''.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (April 2014). "How the Central Park Five Still Haunt America". '']''. pp 54-58, 126-127</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (April 11, 2013). . ''Time''.</ref> '']'',<ref>Touré (January 24, 2006}. . '']''.</ref> '']'', '']''<ref name="Post">{{cite news |title=Black America and the burden of the perfect victim |author=Toure |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/black-america-and-the-burden-of-the-perfect-victim/2014/08/22/30318ec2-27d1-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html |work=The Washington Post |date=22 Aug 2014 |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> and '']''.<ref>. ]. November 28, 2011.</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>His ''Rolling Stone'' article about ], "Kurt is My Co-Pilot", was included in ''The Best American Sports Writing 2001''.<ref name=TopCircle/><ref>{{cite web|title=Best American Sports Writing Index 1991-2012|url=http://indiepro.com/glenn/best-american-sports-writing-index-1991-2010/|publisher=indiepro.com|accessdate=May 7, 2012}}</ref> His writing has also been featured in the collections ''Best American Essays of 1999'', the ''Da Capo Best Music Writing of 2004'' and ''Best American Erotica of 2004''.<ref name="SimonSchu">{{cite web |url=http://www.simonspeakers.com/Touré |title=Touré Speaker Bureau Bio |author= |date= |work= |publisher=Simon & Schuester |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>Touré has written five books. In 2002, his short story collection ''Portable Promised Land'' was published. He also wrote a novel, ''Soul City'', published in 2004,<ref name="West04">{{cite web |url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,688726,00.html |title=Soul City |author=Abby West |date=3 September 2004 |work= |publisher=Entertainment Weekly |accessdate=19 November 2014}}</ref> which was set in an an African-American utopia, according to ''The Washington Post''.<ref name="WP04">{{cite web |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46574-2004Oct19.html |title=Over the Top in a Hip-Hop World |author=Patrick Neate |date=20 October 2004 |work=Book Report |publisher=Washington Post |accessdate=19 November 2014}}</ref> His 2006 essay collection “Never Drank the Kool-Aid,” included the personal essay "What's Inside You, Brother?", which was considered for inclusion in ]'s "Best American Essays of 1996".<ref name="Kirkus">{{cite web |url=https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/toure/never-drank-the-kool-aid/ |title=Never Drank the Kool-Aid |author= |date=1 March 2006 |work=Picador |publisher=Kirkus Reviews |accessdate=17 November 2014}}</ref> In 2012, Touré published ''Who's Afraid of Post-Blackness?: What it Means to be Black Now'', a book on race in modern America based on a collection of interviews Touré conducted with over 100 prominent African-American icons.<ref>Pierre, Brittny (March 7, 2013. . ''The Village Voice''.</ref><ref>Patterson, Orlando (September 22, 2011). . ''The New York Times''.</ref><ref>. '']''. Retrieved August 29, 2014.</ref> ''Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?'' was named one of the most influential books of 2011 by both '']'' and '']'', and the book earned Touré a nomination for an ] Image Award for Outstanding Literary Work in Non-Fiction.<ref name="Finn">{{cite news |title=Wooster Forum to Examine the Complexity of Race |author=John Finn |url=http://www.wooster.edu/news/releases/2013/august/forum-overview/ |work=The College of Wooster |date=27 August 2013 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> In 2013, Touré published ''I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became an Icon'', a biography of ] that discusses the pop artist's works and legacy in a religious context. The book is based on a series of lectures Touré delivered at ] in 2012.<ref>Pierre, Brittny (March 7, 2013. . ''The Village Voice''.</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>===Television===</nowiki><br>
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<nowiki>In 2002, Touré appeared opposite Paula Zahn on ]'s '']''<ref name="CNN02">{{cite web |url=http://edition.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/29/rising.cnna/index.html |title=Does 'The Rising' touch the sky? |author= |date=30 July 2002 |work=American Morning |publisher=CNN |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> and afterward was featured three times a week on a panel called 90-Second Pop.<ref name="Pittsburgh">{{cite web |url=http://www.pittsburghurbanmedia.com/Tora-Tora-Tour-The-Whos-Afraid-of-Post-Blackness-Interview-/ |title=Tora! Tora! Touré!: The “Who’s Afraid of Post-Blackness?” Interview |author=Kam Williams |date= |work= |publisher=Pittsburgh Urban Media |accessdate=3 November 2014}}</ref> Touré was subsequently hired as CNN's first pop culture correspondent.<ref name="Clutch">{{cite news |title=The Love-Hate Complexities of Touré and What it Teaches Us About Blackness |author=Evette Dionne |url=http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012/10/the-love-hate-complexities-of-toure-and-what-it-teaches-us-about-blackness/ |work=Clutch Magazine |date= |accessdate=3 November 2014}}</ref> In 2005, ] hired Touré to cover BET News and Public Affairs programming.<ref name="UPI">{{cite press release |title=Pop Culture Personality Toure Headed to BET News |url=http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/pop-culture-personality-toure-headed-to-bet-news-55365662.html |publisher=PR Newswire |date=4 November 2005 |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>He also hosted the series ''Community Surface'' on ]<ref>. ]. Retrieved April 12, 2013.</ref> and MTV's ''Spoke N' Heard'',<ref name="MTV2">{{cite web |url=http://www.bklynlibrary.org/media/press/brooklyn-writers-brooklyn-readers-toure |title=Brooklyn Writers for Brooklyn Readers - Toure |author= |date=30 November 2005 |work= |publisher=Brooklyn Public Library |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> and was interviewed on the life of ] for the rapper's '']'' episode.<ref>'']: Eminem''. ]</ref> In 2008, he hosted the reality show ''I'll Try Anything Once'', where he tried a variety of jobs and activities, including rodeo clowning and lumberjacking.<ref name="Macintyre08">{{cite web |url=http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/reviews/article_1391328.php/Review_and_Interview_Ill_Try_Anything_Once_on_Treasure_HD_a_no_miss |title=Review and Interview: 'I'll Try Anything Once' on Treasure HD a no miss |author=April MacIntyre |date=2008 |work=Smallscreen Reviews |publisher=M&C |accessdate=19 November 2014}}</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>He currently hosts '']'' on MSNBC with former congressional candidate ], moderate Republican ], and ] correspondent ].<ref name="Lauerman06212012">{{cite web|url=http://www.salon.com/2012/06/21/steve_kornacki_msnbc_host/|title=Kornacki an MSNBC host, too|last=Lauerman|first=Kerry|date=June 21, 2012|work=Salon Magazine|publisher=Salon Media Group|accessdate=June 22, 2012}}</ref> ''The Cycle'''s key demographic is made up of ] viewers, and its success in this age bracket has been attributed to the engaging personalities of its unusually young hosts.<ref name="Wrap13">{{cite news |title=How MSNBC's ‘The Cycle’ Won Me Over |author=Mary Nissenson |url=http://www.thewrap.com/tv/blog-post/draft-hollyblog-video-83081/ |work=The Wrap |date=29 March 2013 |accessdate=20 October 2014}}</ref> Touré often introduces race theory into political discussion on the show.<ref name="Rothman12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/why-msnbcs-the-cycle-will-shape-the-future-of-cable-news/ |title=Why MSNBC's The Cycle Will Shape the Future of Cable News |author=Noah Rothman |date=10 October 2012 |work= |publisher=Mediaite |accessdate=24 November 2014}}</ref></nowiki><br>

<nowiki>Touré criticized and debated with ] over the latter's March 2012 interview with ]'s brother, particularly over what Touré saw as Morgan's lack of response to Robert Zimmerman's problematic replies.<ref name="Samuels">{{cite news |title=Piers Morgan Vs. Touré: How the CNN Host Blew It |author=Allison Samuels |url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/31/piers-morgan-vs-Touré-how-the-cnn-host-blew-it.html |work=The Daily Beast |date=31 March 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref name="Christopher12">{{cite web |url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-challenges-msnbcs-toure-to-debate-via-twitter-feud/ |title=Update: Piers Morgan Books MSNBC's Touré in Real Time to Settle Twitter Feud |author=Tommy Christopher |date=30 March 2012 |work=Mediaite |publisher= |accessdate=15 October 2014}}</ref> In August 2012, as part of a discussion on ''The Cycle'', Touré said that Republican presidential nominee ] engaged in racial coding by calling President ] "angry", and referred to this as "niggerization". He apologized for using the word the next day.<ref name="Wemple12">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré apologizes for ‘niggerization’ remark |author=Erik Wemple |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/msnbcs-Touré-apologizes-for-niggerization-remark/2012/08/17/20938ca4-e89f-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_blog.html |work=] |date=17 August 2012 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref> In May 2014, Touré drew criticism from the ] for implying Holocaust survivors succeeded in the U.S. after the Second World War because they were white: a blogger from the website ''Yo, Dat's Racis'!!'' tweeted at Touré, "My family survived a concentration camp, came to the US w/ nothing, LEGALLY, and made it work" to which Touré replied, "the power of whiteness." Touré later apologized for his comment, saying, "In an attempt to comment on racism in post World War II America, I used a shorthand that was insensitive and wrong."<ref name="Chasmar14">{{cite news |title=MSNBC’s Touré says ‘power of whiteness’ benefited Holocaust survivors |author=Jessica Chasmar |url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/27/msnbcs-Touré-says-power-whiteness-benefitted-holoc/ |work=The Washington Times |date=27 May 2014 |accessdate=10 October 2014}}</ref><ref>Ross, L.A. (May 27, 2014). . ].</ref></nowiki>|headerstyle=background:#ccccff}}

::Here also is the updated citation for the Emory sentence—good catch. Also, I just realized I'd misspelled "Simon & Schuster"—fixed that, too: {{xt|<nowiki><ref name="AfraidGoogle">{{cite web |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=ZZwb3eJuLw4C&pg=PR19&lpg=PR19 |title=Who's Afraid of Post-Blackness? |author=Toure |date= |work= |publisher=Simon & Schuster |accessdate=17 November 2014}}</ref></nowiki>}}

::Would one of you be able to make the changes in the article? Cheers, ] (] &middot; ]) 16:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

:::I mucked it up a little, but I think I added all the proposed edits and fixed my own screw ups. I also moved a thing or two. ] (]) 03:25, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

::::Thanks so much, TuckerResearch. I did spot a few small things, if you wouldn't mind going back and fixing:
::::*In the introduction, {{!xt|He is the host of Fuse's…}} should be {{xt|He was the host of Fuse's...}}
::::*There's a small typo: a stray period after ''Essence'' in the list of publications in ''Writing career''
::::*Also, I see you've moved the line about Tisch into ''Writing career'', but I'm not sure it fits well there, since the course he taught wasn't writing-related. Perhaps if you think it works better within the ''Career'' section, there could be an additional subsection titled ''Teaching'' or ''Other'' and it could go there? With those adjustments, this all looks great!

::::I also have a ] for the infobox; the photographer has sent an email providing copyright permissions but it hasn't yet been marked as received by OTRS, so I'm assuming it would be best to wait on that.

::::Finally, I do want to make one final request, which might be kind of a big one: reducing the mentions of his former surname. Specifically, I'm wondering if it would be possible to remove the mention included in ''Early life'', so that just the infobox and lead mentions remain. But I can start a new section on this page for that discussion, since it has been such a topic of debate before. Cheers, ] (] &middot; ]) 14:29, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

:::::Quick note here just to say that the above issues have been fixed by TuckerResearch. ] (] &middot; ]) 14:22, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

== Conflict of Interest ==

I feel uncomfortable in the manner WWB_Too is participating in the editing of this article. They do not edit the article themselves due to possible conflict of interest yet they basically are editing by having other users contribute writings that they have already composed, often almost verbatim. Is this acceptable per Misplaced Pages's standards? How do we know this user "here on behalf of Touré" hasn't shared their password with Touré and is acting as a sockpuppet? What exactly is the user's "financial conflict of interest" with Touré? I think it would be proper to simply disclose it to us on this page instead of having others hunt for it.

I am wary of the conflicts of interest that develop when writing articles on living persons, particularly media figures. I have kept an eye on this article over the past few years because it has illustrated many of the problems this encyclopedia has in dealing with issues of sourcing and personal identity. I think the results of all the discussions have been respectful while honoring Misplaced Pages's core values. I am uncertain now if that is still true. ] (]) 16:30, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

:Hi Thriley, thanks for asking, and I don't mind the scrutiny—it's a good thing overall. First, I disclosed my paid COI in ], and more is explained on my user page. In the interests of clarity: Touré has retained me as a consultant to figure out how to solve issues with the article as he sees them. In cases where I've agreed, I've figured out what seem like workable alternatives and suggested them here.

:When there's a simple fix, I'll ask for that and leave it up to others to determine the precise wording. But when it seems like there's a lot to be done, I will offer suggested drafts because the alternative is unrealistic, and would overburden volunteers. After all, there just aren't enough Misplaced Pages editors to write all the content that Misplaced Pages can and should have. Considering Misplaced Pages's expressed commitment to getting BLPs right, I can help make that happen.

:By not editing mainspace, I'm following ], which encourages editors with a financial COI to avoid direct edits, and likewise encourages volunteers to assist. Finally, I'd suggest looking through the threads above: TuckerResearch and Anthonyhcole haven't agreed with me on everything I've suggested, and I haven't always agreed with their edits. But all things considered, it's the best process we have. Cheers, ] (] &middot; ]) 19:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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