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*{{cite news |title=AAP's agenda has long been the Communist programme: Karat |newspaper =] |first=Anita |last=Joshua |url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/aaps-agenda-has-long-been-the-communist-programme-karat/article5531656.ece |access-date=12 March 2014 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140318010623/http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/aaps-agenda-has-long-been-the-communist-programme-karat/article5531656.ece |archive-date=18 March 2014 }} |
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**This says: {{tq|Without revealing the party’s hand on whether the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) could be a potential ally, Communist Party of India (Marxist) general secretary Prakash Karat on Thursday said the virtues the new party claims for itself and its agenda of social justice, democratisation and decentralisation of power has long been the Communist programme.}} |
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*{{cite news |title=CPI (M)'s Karat hails Kejriwal's AAP as communist |newspaper =] |author=Anuja |url=http://www.livemint.com/Politics/HALmtcjeNLclrRBn0bjr9J/CPI-Ms-Karat-hails-Kejriwals-AAP-as-communist.html |access-date=12 March 2014 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140312213816/http://www.livemint.com/Politics/HALmtcjeNLclrRBn0bjr9J/CPI-Ms-Karat-hails-Kejriwals-AAP-as-communist.html |archive-date=12 March 2014 }} |
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**This says: {{tq|“The virtues that AAP claims for itself—a clean image, incorruptibility, denial of perks and privileges of power, and funding based on people’s contributions—are all part of the style and practice of the communists from the outset,” Karat said in an article in People’s Democracy, the party’s organ.}} |
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So clearly the two cited sources support the old version of the text. |
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In the section "Gujarat", the manifesto that has been pasted is that of the BJP for the upcoming election, according to the article for the election itself, not the AAP's. Furthermore, they have also copy-pasted irrelevant sections of the article, including the manifesto of the Indian National Congress, incidents which occurred on the campaign trail involving all three parties, and polling for the 2022 Gujarat election. |
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An editor wishes to make the change above.<sup></sup> His/her argument is .<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 16:36, 5 May 2022 (UTC) |
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Finally, I find it somewhat confusing as to why specifically the politics of Gujarat and elections in Gujarat are linked on the see also page. While the party will be contesting the elections in Gujarat, it is NOT a Gujarat-based party, nor was it launched in Gujarat, and at present has only one seat in Gujarat's legislative assembly. ] (]) 06:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|RashmikantT}} In you added new text and citations, and I have retained these, and fixed problems with citation templates such as URL errors, titles not as they were in the source, etc. I have also consolidated identical citations, and taken a citation used in the infobox for ''centrist'' and put it in the body of the article next to ''centrist''.<sup></sup> |
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:Concerning whether the communists are corrupt, you changed "claiming" to "alleging". I have changed it to "and said that". He did say it; you were probably right to object to "claiming" as that expresses doubt. See ]. |
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: also deleted cited text, and you gave reasons in the edit summaries that I cannot see the relevance of. I have restored the cited text and improved the citation templates. Misplaced Pages is based on what reliable sources say. If you still object to these passages, please could you use the article talk page to explain your objections, rather than repeatedly reverting as you did the other day.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 06:12, 7 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|RashmikantT}} In you wrote {{tq|The section for elevation belong to controversy section not funding section kindly do not do disruptive work this for the sake of doing to make your name. I respectfully want to want about the consequences of your disruptive editing regarding the unbiased info. I again request you to rise about your ego and provide the unbiased information.}} Please read ], which says that Misplaced Pages should ''avoid sections and articles focusing on criticisms or controversies''.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 10:30, 7 May 2022 (UTC) |
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You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —] (]) 17:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== AAP is a leftist party == |
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:*{{tq|There have been allegations of funding of the party by CIA and Ford foundation as people close to these organisations have gotten tickets to elections.<ref>{{Cite news |title=Kejriwal a CIA agent, says Chandumajra |url=https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/features/kejriwal-a-cia-agent-says-chandumajra-357896 |date=31 January 2017 |work=] |language=en}}</ref>}} |
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:*{{tq|], the CPI(M) leader, said that there were some ideological similarities between the two parties, such as their agendas relating to social justice and decentralisation of power.}}<ref>{{cite news |title=AAP's agenda has long been the Communist programme: Karat |newspaper =] |first=Anita |last=Joshua |url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/aaps-agenda-has-long-been-the-communist-programme-karat/article5531656.ece |access-date=12 March 2014 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140318010623/http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/aaps-agenda-has-long-been-the-communist-programme-karat/article5531656.ece |archive-date=18 March 2014 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news |title=CPI (M)'s Karat hails Kejriwal's AAP as communist |newspaper =] |author=Anuja |url=http://www.livemint.com/Politics/HALmtcjeNLclrRBn0bjr9J/CPI-Ms-Karat-hails-Kejriwals-AAP-as-communist.html |access-date=12 March 2014 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140312213816/http://www.livemint.com/Politics/HALmtcjeNLclrRBn0bjr9J/CPI-Ms-Karat-hails-Kejriwals-AAP-as-communist.html |archive-date=12 March 2014 }}</ref> '''' |
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:*{{tq|The party supported ]'s ] in the ] against the ].<ref>{{Cite news |url=https://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/in-the-works-arvind-kejriwal-in-bihar-sharing-nitish-kumar-stage/ |title=Bihar: Arvind Kejriwal will campaign against BJP, to share stage with Nitish Kumar |date=19 August 2015 |work=] |first1=Sweta |last1=Dutta |first2=Pradeep |last2=Kaushal |first3=Aditi |last3=Vatsa}}</ref>}} |
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:<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 10:34, 7 May 2022 (UTC) |
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AAP is a socialist, secular, anti BJP party. So, it's a centre to centre-left party. ] (]) 14:43, 4 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:<s>In early 2014, there was some media speculation that an alliance might form between the AAP and the ].</s> ], the CPI(M) leader, said that there were some ideological similarities between the two parties, such as their agendas relating to social justice and decentralisation of power. <s>The AAP's Prashant Bhushan explicitly refuted any joining of forces, and said that there was corruption within the CPI(M).</s><ref>{{cite news |title=AAP's agenda has long been the Communist programme: Karat |newspaper =] |first=Anita |last=Joshua |url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/aaps-agenda-has-long-been-the-communist-programme-karat/article5531656.ece |access-date=12 March 2014 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140318010623/http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/aaps-agenda-has-long-been-the-communist-programme-karat/article5531656.ece |archive-date=18 March 2014 }}</ref><ref>{{cite news |title=CPI (M)'s Karat hails Kejriwal's AAP as communist |newspaper =] |author=Anuja |url=http://www.livemint.com/Politics/HALmtcjeNLclrRBn0bjr9J/CPI-Ms-Karat-hails-Kejriwals-AAP-as-communist.html |access-date=12 March 2014 |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140312213816/http://www.livemint.com/Politics/HALmtcjeNLclrRBn0bjr9J/CPI-Ms-Karat-hails-Kejriwals-AAP-as-communist.html |archive-date=12 March 2014 }}</ref> |
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* ''(There is no mention of AAP joining CPM even not the "alleged part" anywhere in the source provided. If it is not present then the not joining by prashant Bhushan can't be justified or stated as well. Kindly provide the source if you have)'' |
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* ''(1. The AAP's Prashant Bhushan explicitly refuted any joining of forces, and said that there was corruption within the CPI(M). and 2. In early 2014, there was some media speculation that an alliance might form between the AAP and the Communist Party of India (Marxist).: these news are nowhere to be found in the source which is provided as a reference when stating these statements. I respect teddy's interest in the page however I want to express my concerns as his editing don't have any base.)'' |
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* ''(1. The AAP's Prashant Bhushan explicitly refuted any joining of forces, and said that there was corruption within the CPI(M). and 2. In early 2014, there was some media speculation that an alliance might form between the AAP and the Communist Party of India (Marxist).: these news are nowhere to be found in the source which is provided as a reference when stating these statements. I respect teddy's interest in the page however I want to express my concerns as his editing don't have any base.)'' |
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The says: {{tq|q=yes|However, he did not answer the question the media has been posing on a possible alliance between the two parties. In fact, AAP leader Prashant Bhushan was quoted in a newspaper report as stating that the party would not tie up with the CPI(M) as corruption had seeped into its rank and file.}} This explicitly justifies both the sentences that the editor keeps removing.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 18:18, 21 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::After reading the quotes shared by ], I feel that this line is probably undue. It is common that parties explore and try to form alliances during the election. All such efforts need not be mentioned in the wikipage, especially when such an alliance did not come to realization. ] what is your opinion, keep or remove? ] (]) 15:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::It all depends on what you think Misplaced Pages articles should aspire to be: |
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:::*'''Advertisements''' or '''directory entries''', in which case they need up to the moment details. They do not need too much on the subject's history; past leaders, alliances, rejected alliances, successes and failures should only be retained if relevant to currently selling products and services. Embarrassing stuff should be deleted, unless the article is meant to be an '''attack advertisement'''. |
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:::*'''Serious articles about the subject''', in which case editors should try to build up a history of the subject: for example, why some people think an alliance with the communists was appropriate, and why did AAP reject it. |
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:::I favour Misplaced Pages articles aspiring to be serious articles about the subject, but I know a lot of editors disagree with that, particularly those with disposable accounts.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 09:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::::@] your comment went into some abstract mode. Here the facts as I see it. Please let me know if you disagree with any of these points. |
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::::#CPI(M) made comments about similarity of AAP agenda with communist Agenda, No evidence, just claims. |
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::::#AAP did not make any comments about such similarity. |
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::::#Neither AAP nor CPIM made any comments about plans to form alliance. |
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::::#AAP leader made explicit refutation when asked about Alliance. |
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::::#Even though CPM made these comments, CPM wiki page does not mention this. |
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::::As I see this. This alliance talk was pure speculation making its way into the article based on unconfirmed reports. It should have been removed from the wikipedia AAP article at that time itself. If one wants to keep it, then it should be at the CPM page, because the CPM had floated this idea. I am supporting the removal of the content from this article, and neutral for addition to CPM page. If there is no objection from other editors, I will go ahead and remove this line from the AAP article. ] (]) 10:04, 18 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::What you call ''abstract'', I call ''principles''. A principle is a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 10:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:No Aam Aadmi Party has centre right nature also. As it is also alleged to spread soft Hindutva agenda. https://thesecondangle.com/aam-aadmi-party-and-the-soft-hindutva-agenda/ https://thewire.in/politics/kejriwal-aap-communalism-divisive-policies-bjp-hindutva-secularism https://thediplomat.com/2022/06/aaps-dangerous-turn-toward-hindutva/ So it has right wing features also.<ref>{{Cite web|title=Not Knowing Where Else to Go, AAP Is Moving Further to the Political Right|date=2020-07-18|url = https://thewire.in/politics/aap-rajasthan-congress-bjp-right-wing}}</ref> ] (]) 11:53, 5 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Your point (3) is contradicted by your point (4). Your point (5) is irrelevant.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 10:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::@] both point 3 and 4 say there was no alliance. How does it contradict. Since you did not confirm, I am assuming you are not objecting to the removal of this line. ] (]) 10:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::A Left party struggles for the toiling and downtrodden peoples of the society and is typically reserved for movements more critical of capitalism. But AAP generally lacks this feature. ] (]) 11:57, 5 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::I strongly object.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--] ]</span> 10:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::@] objection acknowledged, so please elaborate, how this speculation is justified to be kept into the article. Remember verifiability is not sufficient for inclusion into the article and ]. ] (]) 10:54, 18 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Reference Number 25 == |
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The reliable content under the Funding section is being repeatedly removed by @]. Since the critical information that I added citing reliable sources was removed, the Aam Aadmi Party page is looking like a PR pamphlet of the party. Another user @] restored the information that I had added. But @] came again to remove it with some reasoning which is not satisfactory. Since there is massive critical information on Aam Aadmi Party and its leaders in the media, I want to add more information provided @] or some other user does not remove it to keep the Aam Aadmi Party page(s) with only positive information. Please restore the information under the Funding section that I had added. Misplaced Pages must not be used as a publicity vehicle by political outfits or other people and organizations. ] (]) 06:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC) |
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Reference number 25 is missing - "https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/aam-aadmi-party-kejriwal-kerala-by-election-alliance-twenty20-party-people-welfare-1949790-2022-05-15". {{cite web}}: External link in |title= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help) |
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Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 20:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Should "anti-corruption" in ideology be kept? The single focus of ] was the ], which AAP, as of now, , despite it having a brute mjority in Delhi Legislative Assembly. The party has also since Dec 2020. The single focus of the anti-corruption movements of 2011-12 were to pass the Jan Lokpal Bill, which AAP did not. If it did not pass the one single bill the anti-corruption movement was focused on, can we really call it anti-corruption? Now whether it passed the bill or not, it doesn't advocate against corruption more than other parties for it to be included in its wikipedia page and not other parties' Misplaced Pages page now as it did in 2013-15. It mainly talks about populism, freebies and infrastructure instead of corruption, as can be seen in its ] and ] manifestos. I propose removing the anti-corruption part from ideology section. Open to other arguments. @] what is your take on this? ] (]) 05:36, 13 November 2022 (UTC) |
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I need to add one name in State structure, Name is missing and it is very important to add. I am from aam aadmi party itself ] (]) 17:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:@] I disagree. The party was born out of anti-corruption movement, which is still its main identity. Their website still states anti corruption at the top of their agenda. Plus lot of ] have them as a anti-corruption party. Ideologies takes years to shift/change. Also, opening an anti corruption helpline was one of the first thing they did after winning Punjab polls . There isn't a clear shift from anti corruption ideology so it should not be removed. ] (]) 07:14, 13 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Wrong section pasted == |
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In the section "Gujarat", the manifesto that has been pasted is that of the BJP for the upcoming election, according to the article for the election itself, not the AAP's. Furthermore, they have also copy-pasted irrelevant sections of the article, including the manifesto of the Indian National Congress, incidents which occurred on the campaign trail involving all three parties, and polling for the 2022 Gujarat election. |
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Finally, I find it somewhat confusing as to why specifically the politics of Gujarat and elections in Gujarat are linked on the see also page. While the party will be contesting the elections in Gujarat, it is NOT a Gujarat-based party, nor was it launched in Gujarat, and at present has only one seat in Gujarat's legislative assembly. ] (]) 06:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC) |
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In the section "Gujarat", the manifesto that has been pasted is that of the BJP for the upcoming election, according to the article for the election itself, not the AAP's. Furthermore, they have also copy-pasted irrelevant sections of the article, including the manifesto of the Indian National Congress, incidents which occurred on the campaign trail involving all three parties, and polling for the 2022 Gujarat election.
Finally, I find it somewhat confusing as to why specifically the politics of Gujarat and elections in Gujarat are linked on the see also page. While the party will be contesting the elections in Gujarat, it is NOT a Gujarat-based party, nor was it launched in Gujarat, and at present has only one seat in Gujarat's legislative assembly. 49.204.89.166 (talk) 06:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2023 (UTC)