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Hi, will you please block this user, he is obviously a sockpuppet of that user who you recently blocked and who keeps making personal attacks against both of us, I've left a suspected sock tag on his userpage and warned him for vandalism on his user talk page, sorry I have not reverted the vandalism on your userpage. Cheers and happy editing! <font color="1E90FF">]</font><sup><font color="OBDA51">]</font></sup> 17:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC) Hi, will you please block this user, he is obviously a sockpuppet of that user who you recently blocked and who keeps making personal attacks against both of us, I've left a suspected sock tag on his userpage and warned him for vandalism on his user talk page, sorry I have not reverted the vandalism on your userpage. Cheers and happy editing! <font color="1E90FF">]</font><sup><font color="OBDA51">]</font></sup> 17:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:I've blocked him, thanks! - ]</small> (]) 17:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC) :I've blocked him, thanks! - ]</small> (]) 17:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== reply ==

I hate to say it, but perhaps a community sanction discussion is in order at the appropriate page. This just gets worse and worse and shows no sign of improving. - ]</small> (]) 17:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

:I think we only need that admins respect the written policies. My page is deleted and this deletion does not even show in the deletion logs. Censorship. Why are you all afraid of true and verifiable facts about yourself? Some people have a very different culture to that of truthfullness and harmony. They run around beat people. If the beaten record this, they delete it. And beat again. They invade Iraq. They kill the Indians. The aboriginans. The Africans. The Arabs. The Jews. They spread lies about weapons of massdestruction. They lie half the day. But the world goes on. There are allways people lieing and hiding truth. And deleting. And throwing bombs. ] ] 18:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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For past discussions, please see: User_Talk Chairboy Archive (Oct-2004 to Sep-2005)

Welcome to my user talk page! Please sign your messages with "~~~~" and use ":" indenting on replies for clarity. Please leave a note as to where you will be looking for responses (eg, whether you have bookmarked this page or expect responses on your own talk page). Best regards, CHAIRBOY () 20:11, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

So I should wait until completed and use preview verses publish?

I'm not trying to be a smart well ya know. I'm Just a little unfamiliar with how the editing works here. It took me quite a bit to figure out how to message you back. Your input would be greatly appreciated. I am an avid user of the wiki and I dont want to put junk out there so I'm sorry if it seemed that way

Hallefant

Thanks for speedying Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Hallefant, but I was going to.

Vandalism

Hi you posted a vandalism note on User talk:206.139.211.21 on the 18th, please look at their current contributions Special:Contributions&target=206.139.211.21.

FireFox RFA

Chairboy

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks!

FireFox 18:22, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference

Thanks for pointing out Category:Wikipedians who are pilots!

Quarl

Hi, I noticed you on Quarl's talk page. Although he's been reluctant for adminship I nominated him anyways... and I'm awaiting for his response... but feel free to vote and hopefully he'll accept Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_adminship/Quarl .

~ Cheers —This user has left wikipedia 19:59 2006-02-01

Thank-you

The count is in, and now I join the crew who wield the mops and pails.
Thanks for your support! I pledge to serve both you and Jimbo Wales.

If you have anything you need, then please don't think to hesitate.

For I am the very model of a grateful admin designate!
Bucketsofg

User:Ageo020 user page.

About my page in which i made an admin claim, I'm sorry. I just copied that section from another user's page. I line checked the code but i think i may have overseen this. Really sorry if this caused any trouble. Thanks User:Ageo020

Headline text

Phossy

Whats wrong with it?

How

Why did you delete my gobbledigook page? How did you delete it and how did you know it existed? I created it as a test 2 seconds before you deleted it.

Thanks

Please help me

Chairboy this is Penetrating Fluid, I saw your comment on my discussion page. I feel very strongly that I am being injustly censored soley because one administrator didn't know what penetrating fluid is and imagined it to be some kind of offensive term. Please read the discussion here http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Samsara#User:Penetrating_Fluid and if you feel I am wrong then I shall desist from further action.

RE DRV

Beautiful languages

Beautiful languages on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Beautiful languages. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ihcoyc (talkcontribs) .

Smiley Award

Feel free to place this award on your user page, as a token of appreciation for your contributions. If you're willing to help spread the good cheer to others, please see the project page for the Random Smiley Award at: User:Pedia-I/SmileyAward

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Thanks

Thank you for voting on my administrator tryout.--Rat235478683--

the billy wright ( american poet) article keeps getting deleted...

why was the Billy Wright article deleted? the notability page describes that persons who have been also NON self-published then are notable and worthy of an encycolpedia article. he has appeared in numerous poetry and literary magazines and has authored a few books...

Deleting Fixya's image

Hello Chairboy,

You've deleted my posting of Fixya's logo. I've received an email from the site's owner granting me the right to post it in Misplaced Pages for use in Wiki's articles.

Can I reload it?

Yaniv.bl

You have not answered my question. If I don't get a reply by tomorrow I'll reload the picture. As i mentioned I have full permission from the site's owner.

Yaniv.bl

Reposting The Wedding Site

I made a couple of edits. Can you repost The Wedding (band) site now and PLEASE take off avidbandfan as the user? Thanks. I have no idea how to do it myself.

Username's

True. Where I'm from it (cutting) is a big local issue, and I just saw it as something I should flag. I can totally see were you are coming from. Thanks, Wikihermit 21:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

re: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mark Conner

You recently deleted this article under speedy-deletion case A7. The speedy-deletion was challenged in good faith. The page has been temporarily restored and listed to AFD for community discussion. You may want to participate in the discussion. Rossami (talk) 05:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Serial Copyvio problem

If you're not too busy, could you possibly lend a hand on a problem I just discovered? (I recall that you took care of some Copyvio deletions I requested a few weeks back.) In the space of one hour earlier today, an anon. editor posted lengthy POV Copyvio edits on nine separate articles (whew!). I have already confirmed and deleted two of these copyvio edits, and I am quite certain that all of the others were copied from the same source -- a very POV right-wing website called Discoverthenetwork.org. I also left a note on the anon's talk page asking him not to post such material. However, I have to leave and cannot finish the job right now, so if you can spare some time to help clean up the mess I'd sure appreciate it. Regards, Cgingold 23:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Noted.

Like I really need people to stay in contact with me(lol).We Need You 06:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Request

Hey Chairboy, can you just give me a quick review of my WP:RFCN closing from today? Seams concerns have been raised but I trust you to be neutral with consensus, cheers, and I'm happy to review any discisions which you feel are inappropriate Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 00:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

RFCN - Assertion of Authority

Chairboy, by making the statement you did with the wording you used, it was clearly an assertion of authority. I read Sam's RFCN Submission and I fully understood where an violation of WP:U can be interpreted. Your statement read much like a internal memo from a superior officer to a subordinate in a company. Remember: it is not what you say, but how you say it. Cascadia 23:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

With respect, I think you're really quite mistaken. I hope you haven't mistaken our disagreement over the subject of the RFCN with something more insidious. Please re-read the specific message you've taken issue with, and if you remain concerned, I welcome any external input you'd like to bring in. If you believe there's a problem, I'm a big fan of the RFC process and will assist in any way needed. - CHAIRBOY () 04:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm in no way mistaking this disagreement with something more. I was merely pointing out how that statement came off. I have a real problem with people asserting, deliberate or implied, authority over others when there is no such authority, and in my humble opinion, no reason for such a comment. I probably came off sounding a bit harsher than I should have, and I apologize if I have done so. Cascadia 04:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Peace offering

I wanted to extend an olive branch after the unpleasantness yesterday. It looks like we disagree on some tenets of username policy; however, looking at your user page, it seems we share an interest in aviation. Anyway, just wanted you to know that I pledge to be civil and to assume good faith. Peace - RJASE1 18:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ditto, let's edit with happiness in our hearts and a quick submit button that will save us from edit conflicts. :) Regards, CHAIRBOY () 18:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Admin - Change

Never really was opposed to adminship, it was just the only usebox that I found at the time that showed I was not an admin (I had a situation where a new user was ranting that I was an admin.) I've found one that better suits my actual position, and felt it was time to change to prevent people from misinterpreting my position. Cascadia 19:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
PS, my appologies if I've seemed a bit on the rude side. This week (er, month) has not been the best (not horrible, but somewhat stressful), and it seems that in the heat of discussion, I may have allowed my frustrations from elsewhere spill into my arguments. I'm certain we will still disagree on things, but I will make a consious effort to keep from being, well to put it bluntly, an ass. If I am, feel free to let me know via my talk. Thanks. Cascadia 19:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
No worries, thanks for the kind note. If there was never any disagreement, life would be boring. :D Best regards, CHAIRBOY () 20:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

For you

seems to be similar to what you interrogated me about. The Behnam 23:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Aces High

Comment on an article or article section on the article's talk page. Not only is that the correct venue but it allows others interested in the topic to view the history of discourse. That's why articles have talk pages. Some editors will get in a huff and nance right over to another editor's talk page and place "wildly" inappropiate claims on the editor's talk page, exactly like you did. Don't do that. --Scribner 06:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please don't continue to make inappropriate posts on user talk pages. Thanks! The Behnam 14:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Pardon? If y'all feel I've made an "inappropriate post", please provide diffs. Thanks! - CHAIRBOY () 14:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Warning 3rr Violation

You are in violation of Misplaced Pages's 3rr policy. If you continue to revert you may be blocked from editing. You continue to remove a cite tag I placed on an article that isn't cited. Personally, I don't understand your behavior. Direct your energies toward citing the article rather than attempting to defend it as uncited. If you remove the tag again I'll file an 3rr complaint.--Scribner 18:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Howdy! I'm not sure where you're coming from, I've left a message on both the article talk page and your talk page asking for discussion about this, and have not in fact reverted it again since requesting your input. A couple hours ago, I asked for your assistance in working this out to avoid any type of edit warring, perhaps you missed the notice I left on your talk page? If this is a retributory 3rr notice, c'mon now, that's just silly. - CHAIRBOY () 20:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Well said

I was searching for words for the same message, but you got there first. Dispelling ignorance before it is used to make a decision is one of the best things you can do for Misplaced Pages. InBC 02:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Pothead...

That's the problem. I was trying to add the user, however I am having problems adding him/her because I don't understand the new format for adding names into the RFCN. The user is user_talk:Pothead12345. Could you please go ahead and add him? Thank you! Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť(Talk) (Contributions) 14:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I think you need to create the page first, _then_ add the reference to the section as a transclusion. Regards, CHAIRBOY () 15:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Your note

Hi Chairboy, thanks for your note. That edit refers to a series of personal attacks made against that editor on WR, and I feel the new editor who posted it was using the thread as an excuse to allude to those claims. I was bearing in mind that this is a new account who has already posted an RfCU against another established editor. He's out to make trouble. SlimVirgin 22:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, roger that. Thanks for the clarification, was just dotting the T's and crossing the I's to make sure! Best regards, CHAIRBOY () 22:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Danny's RFA

You're right, the words probably didn't come out right. I want to express that I am very concerned in regards to those who have or appear to have no real oversight over their actions (if someone has nothing to lose from blocking or edit warring or wheel warring at will, they'll do so at their whim, to the detriment of the project.), but very concerned does not express the strength of how I feel in this regard.

It definately wasn't my intention to be rude to Danny, and I didn't realize that in my comment was viewed as a potential personal attack, i'll change it immediately, and I know this may sound strange, but please feel free to take out any words that you think i've said that counterproductive and exchange them with more diplomatic synonyms. Your comment on my talk page was a sign of faith in me, it's only right that I return the favor. Just H 00:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, put in a little bit more there on the RFA. Please let me know if I was able to convey my feelings without creating a hostile environment. Just H 01:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

RE Danny

If you re-read the message I left on Danny's page...I am interested in getting this before the media does. If the authorities are involved they almost surely will get this story, and assuming it to be true, if the kid turns up dead, then they will use that to their advantage to try, in whatever way possible to discredit WP...i want to prevent that, to show that an effort was made and that the steps were taken to ensure his safety. I also replied on my Wikinews talk page. DragonFire1024 05:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:BEANS is the applicable text here. The media will do whatever they want, and if you check the thread on WP:AN/I, you'll see that there's been plenty of work on this already. - CHAIRBOY () 05:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
So what are you saying? I am not following you...sorry?? Are you saying forget about it? DragonFire1024 05:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, first and formost, I'm saying that it's a fools errand to try and get an official Wikimedia Foundation response from Danny because he resigned from there last week. He no longer works there. He's pining for the Fjords of Wikimedia. He is an EX-foundationeer! So it doesn't make any sense. Past that, please take a moment to read the WP:BEANS essay. - CHAIRBOY () 05:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I did read it...thats where I am lost. The media will do what they want, but at least i am trying to get the real story before they screw it up. DragonFire1024 05:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Frustration

I guess I wasn't able to properly express my opinion. Feel free to change my comment to whatever you think is best, i'm washing my hands of that rfa at this point .I do not want to cause rancor or dischord, but I do not want to be a sycophant or a coward. However, I can't see the use in the Beans essay, from my viewpoint, basically the message has been "if enough people gang up on you, they can portray you as disruptive."Just H 15:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Admin Advice

Chairboy,

Since you so graciously offered any assistance in my possible quest to become an Admin, what advice would you give someone who is considering doing so. Is there something they need to focus on? That sort of thing. Thanks for whatever advice you can give. Cascadia 16:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

You are an idiot

  1. You are an idiot.
  2. Did I say that I wanted to kill myself on the main page of Misplaced Pages? Did I valdalize Misplaced Pages? I did not ask you to post on my user talk page, I did not reach out to you, you contacted me so mind your own damn business.
  3. In the case you share the impossibly ignourant belief that after clicking "Save Page" that I would off myself you or others must truely be the most ignourant person on the planet. Obviously you and others must not have filtered in other factors such as material possessions, pain, and time. I will not explain any further because if you cannot find the answers for yourself then you are truely an idiot.
  4. If you really think I need therapy, shut up. My life is mine. You have no right to tell me how to run it.
  5. Do not message me back I came on Misplaced Pages to take care of other things, but I will not come back after this. -PatPeter 18:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
What are you talking about? I think you may have me confused for someone else. - CHAIRBOY () 21:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
That user has been recently blocked for personal attacks. InBC 21:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Before I Forget

You deserve this.

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For reaching out to me during Danny's RFA even though he disagreed with me. Just H 17:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

whim

I have made an attempt to clarify my comment. I have no reason to believe that anything inappropriate went on, and didn't mean to imply that it did. Thanks for pointing out the ambiguity. CMummert · talk 16:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


Kncyu38

Howdy! On the talk page for Danny's RfA, you wrote 'Sigh, what purpose do these stats serve?'. I'm not certain what you mean, they serve the purpose that anything does on this project. I found an interesting correlation, and I shared the raw data so folks could come to their own conclusions. While I invested quite a lot of time and effort in collecting the data, it didn't cost you or anyone else anything, so your comment is puzzling. With the utmost of respect, I'm not in the habit of telling people what they can and can't work on. I ask that you return the favor, my time is mine. If you feel that it was actually harmful, then I invite feedback, but if, as your phrasing suggests, this was more of an issue of "I don't see the purpose of doing this", then my request stands. I hope you won't take offense. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 19:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I asked what purpose the stats served as a matter of respect for Occam's razor. They are not needed nor particularly userful, as me and others and even yourself have pointed out. Another way to put my critical attitude may have been: "You supported Danny, why not leave it at that? Why present statistics that can only reasonably be interpreted in one way, no matter what you declare your motivations to be: The sample you provided does clearly speak against newer editors, as if they should have less say in the RfA in your opinion (since you researched and presented those stats then & there)" Now, I replied here to do you a favor you asked for. Here you are. As for what your initial motivation to post the stats where, I'm inclined to stick with Hanlon's razor. —KNcyu38 (talkcontribs) 21:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Your linking to Hanlon's razor suggests that you're calling me stupid. You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't reflect terribly well on your ability to make an argument that can stand on its own merits. - CHAIRBOY () 21:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
To freely quote from yourself: "I only referred to Hanlon's razor, you may interpret it any way you want, I didn't mean to say anything particular by posting it here, I just find it interesting." —KNcyu38 (talkcontribs) 21:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, thanks for your opinion. If we all agreed on everything, the world would be a pretty boring place. - CHAIRBOY () 21:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. —KNcyu38 (talkcontribs) 22:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

How?

I appreciate the input (sincerely), but how does one go about fixing a situation when the results are a foregone conclusion and those in power are vested in keeping things that way? Corvus cornix 18:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Civility prevents me from furnishing you with the answer your comment deserved. Please, spare this nonsense for those who it will actually have an effect on. Grace Note 03:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Why do you describe my request as nonsense? - CHAIRBOY () 03:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I'll leave that puzzle for you to figure out, Chairboy, while you do me the favour of leaving me alone. How about that? Grace Note 03:27, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
You're being very rude to others and disrupting the project, so unless you knock it off, I'm not going to simply "leave you alone". I'm asking you politely. - CHAIRBOY () 03:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
You are now harassing me. I suggest you stop and go and do some editing. You might consider writing snotty messages on talkpages of editors who are disappointed in the Danny RfA to be included in that but I don't. Not that I mind you wasting your time, but dude, you're also wasting mine. Well, you were. Now I'm simply going to revert unread any further messages you put on my talkpage. Grace Note 03:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
With respect, this isn't harassment, it's me doing my job. I've been politely asking you to stop disrupting the project, and you've been responding quite rudely. I'd like to avoid blocking you, but if you keep behavior up on the talk pages we discussed, I'll have to. Please consider this a formal warning, any administrator (including myself) may block you after this if you keep it up. There are civil, non-disruptive ways to make your argument, I'm asking you one final time to pick one. As this is a formal warning, it's inappropriate to revert it from your user talk. - CHAIRBOY () 03:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me for chiming in, but actually, policy allows removing even good-faithed warnings from your own talk page. See here and here. —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 13:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Sunroot -> Jerusalem Artichoke redirection_Jerusalem_Artichoke_redirection-2007-04-11T06:12:00.000Z">

G'day Chairboy,

Just a quick note to say that I've reimplemented the redirect from Sunroot to Jerusalem Artichoke which was previously deleted with the reason of 'db-bio'. Given that the page in question is about a vegetable, I can only assume that the db-bio deletion was in error, or I've completely misunderstood the meaning of db-bio.

If I've missed something important here, please let me know.

All the best,

--Pjf 06:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)_Jerusalem_Artichoke_redirection"> _Jerusalem_Artichoke_redirection">

About the deletion of the bio "Paul Courbis"

Hi

You've just deleted the "Paul Courbis" page I've created. I try to understand the process. You say (in comments) that "14:35, 11 April 2007 Chairboy (Talk | contribs) deleted "Paul Courbis" (WP:CSD Articles, subsection 7 - No assertion of notability is made by this person, music group, or organization) "

I don't understand this as I explained (both in header & discussion) that Paul is one of the main contributors of HP calculators development as he wrote unoficial reference books about the Saturn processor. Thus, the "no assertion of notability made" seems to me a wrong assertion. I'd understood if the reason was "notability is insufficient" or "not enough explained" by the author of this page.

Can we discuss a little bit more on this deletion ?

I'll be looking here for your answer

Thx

Alain

PS: english is not my native language, and there is peharps a misunderstanding from me on what an "assertion of notability" is ? I understood it as a objective justification but perhaps is it some paper to sign ?

Apc005 17:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Howdy! Please take a moment to review WP:BIO, it describes what we're looking for in articles about people. - CHAIRBOY () 17:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Independence Seaport Museum

Could you undelete Independence Seaport Museum? I want to take a crack at it and would like to start with what was there originally. There are at least six links to it. Thanks. --evrik  19:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Howdy! The entire article was "The Independence Seaport Museus is more better known for housing the Uss Olympia." Seriously, that's a copy/paste of it. Hope it helps, CHAIRBOY () 19:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Shortpages

Good point -- I don't know if it will actually work. If you find that it wasn't worthwhile, feel free to revert the edit. Andre (talk) 20:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Point?

I was not trying to make a point, and I won't have myself be pushed into that corner. I wanted to cheer Tobias Conradi up, in fact I thought about awarding him the original barnstar instead but thought it was kinda lame. However, to prevent this kind of misunderstanding, I had asked whether or not I could be blocked for adding that link to the debate at Misplaced Pages talk:Attack sites. This is how Fred Bauder replied. My asking that question was preceeded by reading this, linked to by Kirill Lokshin in the Mongo request for carification. As long as Tobias Conradi has no problem with it, it should be of no concern to you. Should he not welcome this or any further messages from me, he can tell me so, and I will never message him again. —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 13:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I just realized you didn't even remove the link. So what precisely are you threatening me for? You saw that link and left it there, you're just as "guilty" as me. Great stuff. —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 13:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
There, I did it for you. Happy? —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 13:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Thinking about it, I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "disrupt the project to make a point". Could you explain how you arrived at the conclusions that (i) it was my intention (ii) to disrupt and to make a point. To (i) I can say it wasn't in the least bit my intention to disrupt the project or to make a point, (ii) I don't even see how either might apply here. If you believe it was somehow disrupting and/or making a point, I'd greatly appreciate your input to help avoid further incidents like this one. Have a nice day. —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 14:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

First, thanks for deleting the link, it shows that you're willing to take a step back from the precipice, and I appreciate it. Second, as you know, the purpose of an ArbCom ruling like this is to implement a decision to protect the project. It is their ruling that linking to an attack site is verbotten. When you instead provided a link to a Google search that had the attack site in question as the only result, it's an example of trying to weasel around their ruling. Now, there's nothing wrong with weaseling, it's what seperates us from the animals. Well, except for the weasel... but in this context, it comes back to the first year law student issue. There's a term 'wikilawyering' that has come into vogue that describes this action, specifically looking for a tiny loophole to remain technically within the letter of, but in direct contravention of the spirit of a policy or arbcom decision. I think you're very aware of this, but I'm hoping you'll reconsider the path you're on and try doing things that help the project instead. If you have any further questions, let me know and I'll try and help. - CHAIRBOY () 14:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I assure you I mean well, but I fear that this encyclopedia is shooting itself in the leg by censoring material that is not in itself attacking Misplaced Pages users. I just happen to find that essay on cabals very interesting. I would never have linked to a subpage with attack material, the exact page I linked to does not contain any libel or whatnot that I could recognize. Is it also "weaseling" then to suggest a Google search with the keywords "aware of the following faults"? And what about that second ArbCom case? There seems to be no consenus on generally forbidding links to each and every site with attack content, that's why Kirill Lokshin linked to it, I believe, to illustrate that ArbCom itself is rather undecided on the matter. —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 14:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
You see, it seems rather difficult to respect and adhere to the spirit of ruling, when there seems to be no consensus on what that spirit really is, what precisely it includes and what it excludes. —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 14:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
There is no cabal. InBC 14:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
"You see, it seems rather difficult to respect and adhere to the spirit of ruling, when there seems to be no consensus on what that spirit really is, what precisely it includes and what it excludes." — You must find it maddening to exist in the real world. -- KirinX 14:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
lol, Actually no. In the real world, I enjoy freedom of speech. —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 15:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
As you've just established that your dispute is with the Arbcom decision, it'd be appropriate to take it up with them at this point. - CHAIRBOY () 15:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I have, and Fred Bauder responded that he wouldn't block me for that, and Kirill Lokshin had linked to the other ArbCom case. Don't you see that reyling on the older MONGO ruling in a blocking warning is a bit controversial given the extensive debate at Misplaced Pages talk:attack sites and here. You may also want to read the current, protected version of WP:BP. I am a little confused, but I'm not the only one. —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 15:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Try this, for example. "Sites which make some attempt to engage in legitimate criticism such as Misplaced Pages Review present a different situation and should probably be addressed, not by a blanket prohibition, but on what is being linked to." That's part of what Fred Bauder said on behalf of the ArbCom. —AldeBaer user:Kncyu38 15:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Coincidence

Hey, just a quick message to let you know we have a new user who goes by the name of Chairbhoy (talk · contribs). It may be pure coincidence, but I had a doppleganger a while ago and it was... well... troubling... The Rambling Man 13:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll keep an eye out for him. - CHAIRBOY () 14:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedy tag for The Used Discography

Hi. All the links to this page (except the admin-type ones) were from Template:The Used, which I have now edited so they should be gone. Cheers Lou.weird 15:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Instron

I was pointed to the deleted text as a review of the deletion; it turned out most of the text is a copy and paste job from . User:Zscout370 21:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you & assistance please.

Ben, thank you for your actions related to the Klemmer & Associates page.

I see from your history and personal page that you champion neutrality and removal of POV from wiki.

As a relatively new contributor to wiki, I have been dismayed by the one-sidedness of the LGAT series of articles. The creators and major contributors appear to be pushing their POV. However, they appear to be using (twisting? distorting?) wiki rules in order to document their pov and thus legitimize their use of wiki to attack companies and organizations.

My understanding of LGAT is that it is not scientifically defined. Each author defines it for themselves, either by direct-definition or by definition-by-example. As there is no clear and concise definition, there is no standard which can be applied against an organization in order to include them in the LGAT category. The pro-ponents of the LGAT label, insist on branding companies as LGAT, but refuse to allow LGAT to be properly defined or documented. They refuse to allow its multiple and vague deffinitions to be documented. They refuse to allow the fact that it is a term primarily used by the anti-cult community to be documented in the article. They very adeptly use wiki-rules to delete, revert and re-write anything which gets added in an effort to clean up or unbias the entire series of articles.

I feel completely out-gunned here and everything I have tried to add either gets reverted or the paragraph gets mysteriously re-written in a flurry of other edits and any injection of neutrality is suddenly gone.

Ok, that (brief?) history being given.. My question/request is this.. can anything be done to stop/correct or resolve this? (you may respond here, I will watch) Lsi john 17:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Banned user

I probably shouldn't have said it since I'm not sure but I believe this is light current. At least one other editors has reverted someone with a similar IP & . See Misplaced Pages talk:Reference desk#Shampoo where there is discussion Nil Einne 22:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Spammyou unblock

There is a distinct lack of consensus on ANI that my block should have been reverted, if anything the consensus is that the block was within my discretion. You agreed that the block was not invalid, and RFCN does not review username blocks. There is nothing left to do but to reinstate the block. InBC 19:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Sigh, okay I am willing to just let this go, the username should be blocked per policy but it is not the end of the world if it is not. But the next time you want to revert an admin action do two things, get the agreement of the admin or the consensus of the community, and for god sakes have some sort of complaint about the block itself. Whatever you do, don't say the block is not invalid, then unblock without agreement or consensus. InBC 02:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Danny

you wrote "Tobias Conradi (talk • contribs), the person not responding, isn't an admin. Perhaps you're thinking of someone else? - CHAIRBOY (☎) 02:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)"

I don't know whether Danny is an admin now. Sorry if I called him admin and he is not. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Of interest

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Tobias_Conradi. ShivaIdol 07:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Recent problems

I think one of the major issues in our argument was that I was not clear enough in my initial response. While I thought I was clear that the block should stand and that greater discussion should take place before any reversal, it seems I failed to communicate that correctly. I will try to be more clear next time, and I will also search harder to notice such miscommunication in the future. I certainly have respect for your actions in the past, and in light of this misunderstanding this issue starts to make sense too.

Sorry if I was a bit heavy handed, at the time I was under the impression that you knew I wanted more discussion before you reverted me. InBC 15:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for reversing your block so quickly, perhaps part of my misinterpretation of your message was that I read what I expected to read, and should have sought more clarification. Let's work together, I think we have the same goals in mind. We don't always agree on the details, but that's part of what makes us (as a group of admins) effective. Best regards, CHAIRBOY () 16:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

User:A10148

Hi, will you please block this user, he is obviously a sockpuppet of that user who you recently blocked and who keeps making personal attacks against both of us, I've left a suspected sock tag on his userpage and warned him for vandalism on his user talk page, sorry I have not reverted the vandalism on your userpage. Cheers and happy editing! Tellyaddict 17:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I've blocked him, thanks! - CHAIRBOY () 17:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

reply

I hate to say it, but perhaps a community sanction discussion is in order at the appropriate page. This just gets worse and worse and shows no sign of improving. - CHAIRBOY () 17:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I think we only need that admins respect the written policies. My page is deleted and this deletion does not even show in the deletion logs. Censorship. Why are you all afraid of true and verifiable facts about yourself? Some people have a very different culture to that of truthfullness and harmony. They run around beat people. If the beaten record this, they delete it. And beat again. They invade Iraq. They kill the Indians. The aboriginans. The Africans. The Arabs. The Jews. They spread lies about weapons of massdestruction. They lie half the day. But the world goes on. There are allways people lieing and hiding truth. And deleting. And throwing bombs. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)