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The city of Vác (Vacz in the text) is about 200km away from the Bakony mountain. So if Vác is OK., then the mountain's name is Börzsöny (or Pilis?), If the Bakony mountain is OK, then the name of the city is Veszprém. i will look after.
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== False etymology for Carpathian deleted==
Miles and meters looks awkward on the same page, especially abbreviation "m." looks confusing - meters or miles. Since Carpathian mountians are in Europe I would propose to use meters-kilometers, maybe also miles in brackets.

:Should perhaps the lunar mountain range be given a separate article? Same with various other lunar geographical features which are named for terrestrial ones and/or philosophers, scientists... --] 08:25 Oct 4, 2002 (UTC)

::Some of them should be fairly easy to disambiguate, eg. ]. But I'm not sure what to do about the Carpathian Mountains, both features have the same name and are the same sort of thing. Fortunately, there probably won't be very extensive information about any of the mountain ranges on the Moon available at this time. ]

:::Lunar Carpathian Mountains? Carpathian Mountains (Moon)? --] 08:54 Oct 4, 2002 (UTC)

::::I'd go with the second (Moon) one, for consistancy. ]


== Origin of the term 'Carpathian' ? ==




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::: Actually, in Albanian also, "karpë" means "rock". ] | ] 18:53, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::: Actually, in Albanian also, "karpë" means "rock". ] | ] 18:53, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)


There is attested a ] word 'kerpic' that meant 'baked brick'. Just thought I'd throw another one in the pot. No connection implied. ] 04:48, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC) There is attested a ] word 'kerpic' that meant 'baked brick'. Just thought I'd throw another one in the pot. No connection implied. ] 04:48, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

: The name of the Carpathians was used long time before the Cumans came. Anyway, it is pretty silly to name some mountains "the Brick Mountains". On the other side, the Rocky Mountains is a pretty common name. ] | ] 11:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I just wanted to add another word, because I had on file some Turkic words that have seeming cognates among Indo-European. The term 'Karpates' (>carpathian) dates back at least to Ptolemy (ad 85-165) and there is no way there can be any connection with the Cumans who arrived in the 11th century. The term 'Carpathian' surely is directly linked to the name of the ] tribe. ] 04:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

⚫ The old Czech word 'chrb' (hill, small hill, not 'mountain range') was also found as 'chrib', and there is in fact a place name formed from this word, but the name is ''Chribska'', which is a far-cry from ''Carpathian''. The 'chrb' idea is so scientifically worthless and ethnocentric that it should not be mentioned in this or any other factual article. ] 05:14, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There is no such proto-Indo-European root/word as 'karpa' or 'krpa', and the closest thing I found is *Kar, meaning 'hard' (from which comes Greek 'karuon'=nut; and English 'hard'). Subsequently, the PIE root *sker/ker came to my attention, and this is the source of the Albanian word 'karpe'. ] 05:37, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

: BTW, what is there a PIE root for Latin "crepare" (>Rom. "crăpa") = to crack ? ] | ] 11:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My reference says Latin ''crepare'' is from PIE *Ker (listed as *Ker number 2, there being other Ker roots of different meaning). The root is defined as "an echoing root, base of various derivatives indicating loud noises or birds". Latin ''corvus'' is also from this root. I'm going to apply the razor (not Occam's Razor, probably one of my razors) and fix up this article. Albanian 'karpe', is said to be from PIE *sker, also given as *ker. I don't know about the Armenian word 'kar' or the Czech word 'chrb', they may be from other roots.] 01:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A possibility I thought of (just to add to the list, not the article): there is an Indo-European root *kwerp, which meant 'twisted, turned', from which comes such words as ancient Greek ''karpos'' (wrist). Maybe the Carpathians were the 'the twisted, or turning mountains', because as you can see from the map, the mountain chain makes a turn in Romania. Also, take a look at a map showing the bent shape of the island of ]: the shape is reminiscent of the curve of the Carpathians. Who knows. Maybe the meaning behind 'Karpates' was 'bent, twisted' mountains, and the Carpi tribes were named after the mountains. Or maybe 'karpates' is derived from the PIE *sker/ker, as indicated in many references, and the name of the island may or may not be from *sker. ] 22:04, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== photo? ==


Is the photo allowed to be that edited? The grass looks REALLY green. It looks like an advertisement
The term 'Carpathian' surely is directly linked to the name of the ] tribe. It's interesting though that there was an Aegean island named 'Karpathos'. ] 04:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)


== Hungary? ==
⚫ The old Czech word 'chrb' (hill, small hill, not 'mountain range') was also found as 'chrib', and there is in fact a place name formed from this word, but the name is ''Chribska'', which is a far-cry from ''Carpathian''. The Slavic idea is so scientifically worthless and ethnocentric that it should never again be mentioned in this or any other factual article. ] 05:14, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hungary is not mentioned as part of the Carpathians in the first and second description while the map clearly shows Hungary as part of western Carpathians. Same goes to the page of western Carpathians which has them added. ] (]) 17:14, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Slightly off topic but I saw it mentioned that Armenian may be related to Thracian: despite the unfounded speculations of some individuals in the early half of the 20th century, there is no evidence of Thracian being close to Armenian, and I've looked at the table of PIE>Armenian sound-changes, and there is no way that those sound-changes could correspond with Dacian or Thracian. This is based on: Thracian words; and Romanian substratum words.] 05:30, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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False etymology for Carpathian deleted

The name is derived from the Slavonic word Chrb, which means mountain-range.


That's silly. The Dacian tribe of carps is closer phonetically and they lived in these mountains (the eastern slopes, in current Eastern Moldavia) long before the slavs arrived. Bogdan 20:34, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

"...the Indo-European word "korpata" which means mountain or rock." There is no such Indo-European word or root, is there? The google hits all refer to this statement here at Misplaced Pages (not aiding our credibility). "Korpata" appears through google only on Slavic-language sites. What's up? Can we correct this? Wetman 19:26, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Of course Korpata is the Slavic version, but it is based on an Indo-european root (probably something like "krpa"). It also appears in some non-Slavic languages, more exactly some Indian languages. I saved this information somewhere but I can't find find it right now. I'll post it tomorrow. OK ? Bogdan | Talk 20:57, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
err... I lost that link about that Indian language. Anyway, I found that in Armenian (which is thought to be related to Thracian), "k'ar" means stone and in Albanian it's "gur". Bogdan | Talk 13:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Actually, in Albanian also, "karpë" means "rock". Bogdan | Talk 18:53, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

There is attested a Cuman word 'kerpic' that meant 'baked brick'. Just thought I'd throw another one in the pot. No connection implied. James 007 04:48, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The name of the Carpathians was used long time before the Cumans came. Anyway, it is pretty silly to name some mountains "the Brick Mountains". On the other side, the Rocky Mountains is a pretty common name. Bogdan | Talk 11:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I just wanted to add another word, because I had on file some Turkic words that have seeming cognates among Indo-European. The term 'Karpates' (>carpathian) dates back at least to Ptolemy (ad 85-165) and there is no way there can be any connection with the Cumans who arrived in the 11th century. The term 'Carpathian' surely is directly linked to the name of the Carpi tribe. James 007 04:51, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The old Czech word 'chrb' (hill, small hill, not 'mountain range') was also found as 'chrib', and there is in fact a place name formed from this word, but the name is Chribska, which is a far-cry from Carpathian. The 'chrb' idea is so scientifically worthless and ethnocentric that it should not be mentioned in this or any other factual article. James 007 05:14, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There is no such proto-Indo-European root/word as 'karpa' or 'krpa', and the closest thing I found is *Kar, meaning 'hard' (from which comes Greek 'karuon'=nut; and English 'hard'). Subsequently, the PIE root *sker/ker came to my attention, and this is the source of the Albanian word 'karpe'. James 007 05:37, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

BTW, what is there a PIE root for Latin "crepare" (>Rom. "crăpa") = to crack ? Bogdan | Talk 11:50, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

My reference says Latin crepare is from PIE *Ker (listed as *Ker number 2, there being other Ker roots of different meaning). The root is defined as "an echoing root, base of various derivatives indicating loud noises or birds". Latin corvus is also from this root. I'm going to apply the razor (not Occam's Razor, probably one of my razors) and fix up this article. Albanian 'karpe', is said to be from PIE *sker, also given as *ker. I don't know about the Armenian word 'kar' or the Czech word 'chrb', they may be from other roots.James 007 01:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A possibility I thought of (just to add to the list, not the article): there is an Indo-European root *kwerp, which meant 'twisted, turned', from which comes such words as ancient Greek karpos (wrist). Maybe the Carpathians were the 'the twisted, or turning mountains', because as you can see from the map, the mountain chain makes a turn in Romania. Also, take a look at a map showing the bent shape of the island of Karpathos: the shape is reminiscent of the curve of the Carpathians. Who knows. Maybe the meaning behind 'Karpates' was 'bent, twisted' mountains, and the Carpi tribes were named after the mountains. Or maybe 'karpates' is derived from the PIE *sker/ker, as indicated in many references, and the name of the island may or may not be from *sker. James 007 22:04, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

photo?

Is the photo allowed to be that edited? The grass looks REALLY green. It looks like an advertisement

Hungary?

Hungary is not mentioned as part of the Carpathians in the first and second description while the map clearly shows Hungary as part of western Carpathians. Same goes to the page of western Carpathians which has them added. Lmagoutas (talk) 17:14, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

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