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こんにちは。I try to accept criticism of my edits and responsibility for my comments, and I believe that all editing disputes can be resolved amicably. Please feel free to express your opinion or ask for my help. I will get back to you as soon as possible. I have an archive of older topics from this page. It can be accessed here.

J-ska

Re: J-ska, this is an inquiry for my own edification rather than a challenge to your edit. Can you refer me to the guidelines on this matter so I can know which from what in the future? To make communication easier, I'll just watch this page for now and you can answer me right here. Thanks. House of Scandal 12:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The basic guidelines are at Misplaced Pages:External links, although I think you might want to look at the proposed guideline at Misplaced Pages:External links/YouTube. Whether or not the proposal passes, the general take remains valid. Since the two links I removed were music videos, it can be safely assumed that the creators hold the copyrights for those works. The person who posted them on YouTube is not likely to be authorized to post them, and YouTube doesn't normally scan its submissions for copyright violations unless it receives cease-and-desist letters. Conversely, I think that most Misplaced Pages editors place the burden of proof on the contributor of the link to show that it is legal. Hope this helps; let me know if I sound muddled. Dekimasu 12:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No, that's cool; I understand and appreciate the help. I like adding audio and video links to my articles when possible. I see it as an extention of the "don't tell, show" philosophy. I will avoid linking to probable copyright violation stuff in the future. BTW, you may not have noticed that J-ska is listed at AfD right now. Give an opinion there if the spirit moves you. Thanks again for the guideline links. Have a good Sunday. House of Scandal 13:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Dekimasu, my apologies for the error on disambiguating Nomenclature. Thanks for setting me straight about correct procedure for disambiguation, and thanks also for fixing my changes to the disambiguation:Done section. Clicketyclack 12:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem, and no harm done. Plus, the links you fixed are still fixed... thanks for your work! Dekimasu 13:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Re : AfD/University of Wisconsin (disambiguation)

I've restored the talkpage of the deleted article and moved back to its parent article, as it was previously moved by you. Does all the current links to University of Wisconsin meant for University of Wisconsin-Madison? If so, then perhaps it may be a good idea to seek help from WP:DPL (or a bot if possible) to cleanup all the links from articles to point to University of Wisconsin-Madison directly. That may be tedious, but that should solve the problem once and for all. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I came from WP:DPL. That's why my attention was drawn to it in the first place. This is basically a primary use claim on University of Wisconsin - when people link to it, they mean University of Wisconsin-Madison more than 99% of the time, so it should be a redirect. That is simply standard practice. The problem is not only the preexisting links, but the fact that more people link to that page all the time.

As I said, I can't see the "consensus" from the old disambiguation page, but it's become apparent from User talk:Miaers that recreating the disambiguation page at University of Wisconsin does not reflect that consensus. In the light of those facts I see no reason not to add the redirect to the page again, and based on the AfD deletion of the dab page (which still mystifies me) to leave University of Wisconsin-Madison without an otheruses tag this time. Does that seem reasonable to you? Dekimasu 15:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I realized that now that the talk page is moved back I can see that the reconstitution of the dab page at the current location lacked consensus. I still feel that the dab page should be located at University of Wisconsin (disambiguation) rather than being located nowhere, but that was the result of the vote. For now, I will turn it back into a redirect unless I hear otherwise from the trusted innocent bystander (you). Dekimasu 15:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No objections from me here, just that Miaers has reverted you just minutes after. You may want to have a talk with him to have this resolved. - Mailer Diablo 15:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I haven't done it yet. I was explaining myself on the talk page first. It would be helpful if you could close the overdue move discussion, as that would present us with a stepping-off point for further discussion (I don't think it should be necessary on the weight of the arguments, but you never know). Dekimasu 15:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, my bad; I thought the timing in the history page was in GMT (a frequent mistake)! I'm not in the position to set decisions in stone for move-related discussions, but from what I read some form of consensus may well been reached already. - Mailer Diablo 16:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The referred to consensus was over a year old, and it's apparent from the vote that that consensus has expired (looks like there was a sockpuppet on the plus side in the debate). Anyway, I can understand why you don't wish to close the debate. Thank you for your input and I hope that things will go smoothly. Dekimasu 16:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Erm... one last thing. The sequence of events has resulted in the loss of the history of the prior University of Wisconsin page (since that was the one that was deleted at University of Wisconsin (disambiguation)). If it would be at all possible to restore that history, it seems like a shame to lose it. It now appears that there was no page named University of Wisconsin until last month. Dekimasu 16:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we have a cencus on directing University of Wisconsin to UW-Madison. I've provided my comments on the University of Wisconsin talk page. Miaers 18:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you an administor? It is very unprofessional to move the page without any talk and no consideration of previous discussions. Miaers 01:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not an administrator. I am sorry that you were offended by the move of the disambiguation page, but the current discussion on the talk page does tend to support that move. The fact that the disambiguation page was subsequently deleted also lends support to the changes I made. My action was not based on the content of the disambiguation page, or the discussion of its contents, but the technical problems with having it there. In retrospect I'm sorry that I didn't leave an official note, but I explained myself in edit summaries and I expected my action to be uncontroversial. In all honesty, I still think it is uncontroversial. Dekimasu 01:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi - I appreciate your help in dealing with this situation. Unfortunately, Miaers has rarely ever listened to consensus on anything and prefers to argue with other editors. I see your latest comment on the talk-page, but would appreciate you checking back when you return as having an outside editor's opinion is helpful in this type of situation. Cheers, PaddyM 01:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll do the best I can. Dekimasu 13:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review

I have asked for a deletion review of University of Wisconsin (disambiguation), at your suggestion. You might want to participate. --Orange Mike 03:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have left a long comment there and I will vote as soon as it becomes clear that Mailer Diablo has really left the encyclopedia and is unable to perform the undeletion himself, or rather that he is just understandably upset with problems on other pages. Dekimasu 03:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

A vote from Miaers there would be extremely helpful in showing that the consensus to delete has changed. Dekimasuよ! 03:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

University of Wisconsin redirect

Hi there, I think if you still have further things to talk, it is better for us to do this through our talk pages. Miaers 19:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather keep the discussion on the redirect's talk page, where it is more likely to stay in the record and be seen by more eyes. I've noticed that you tend to delete sections from your talk page. Dekimasu 13:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I had him "archive" one today about three minutes after I posted the remark! --Orange Mike 18:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

There have been a few instances of this at Talk:University of Wisconsin as well. The whole talk page was archived except for one post, and I partially reverted, putting two weeks back on the talk page. I was then partially reverted, putting a week back into the archive. I let that go rather than edit war over it, but I'm hoping that everything that's visible there now will remain visible for a while. Dekimasuよ! 02:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Kadokura Satoshi

I was about three minutes behind you, I guess. But, I'm not convinced that the Japanese article is for the same guy. None of the songs are credited to him as 作詩家, which is what you would expect from a poet. Neier 07:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You have me convinced. I wasn't thinking about it quite that deeply; obviously the current one-liner isn't what we'd want at that title anyway, but maybe an article about the songwriter would stick. Anyway, I found evidence of the existence of the poem and noted it back at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Chikyunoinochi. Not that that the one Ghit of evidence made the poem at all notable. Dekimasu 07:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Guess we knew that already, and I should have looked at the English-language searches a little harder. Dekimasu 07:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance at Miriam Shear.

I've not been sure what to do about users blanking the page and whatnot, I've just reiterated Misplaced Pages policy over and over again. Any help you can offer expanding the article, including keeping it up-to-date and reliably sourced, is appreciated. Italiavivi 03:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:WikiProjectBanners

Template:WikiProjectBanners has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. -- Ned Scott 08:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification, especially since you may have guessed that I would disagree with you on the topic. Dekimasu 08:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: User:Nate3000

No, not offended at all. I was just about to go and give him my reasoning myself when I saw your response, so I figured I'd explain to him why it was removed. ^^; Nique talk 14:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

RE Hatano Hiroko

もうかりまっか？？if you have a problem with the images isn't it ethical first to talk to me before going anywhere? I agree that the first photo is the same one in her official site.And I obviously knew it.BUT you also have to understand that,the given site do not have any authority over the photo..Certainly not to my knowledge..In fact photo was given to me by one of my Japanese friends ,and he had no idea about the site !! Remember as a super model, thousands of her photos were taken by various cameramen and many of them are definitely not copyrighted.

And the other two were not copyrighted at all..They were taken by her fans..I will re add the photos and if you can prove that these are actually copy righted, please go ahead with your deletion..if not please let the photos stay,as a super model she deserve to have them in wikipedia.Plus, Japanese people are not big boasters.And to find citation to prove "she is one of the most successful ever" may be hard,as neither she nor anyone say that..But that's a fact.ask any girl in her late 20's or early 30's and hear what she says..She was probably the best known model at her generation,and with 梅宮　アンナ　and RINKA probably the best ever produced by JJ. ほんならまたね　--Iwazaki 15:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

はい、わかった。I didn't delete the images myself; I only listed them for discussion at possibly unfree images as possibly unfree. I suppose by notifying you at the same time as the listings I was shouting across the room to you instead of whispering in your ear, but when there are more eyes on an issue, it is easier to tell whether concerns are well-grounded.

I probably wouldn't have tagged the photos but for the fact that you claimed the ability to release rights on all three, which clearly wasn't the case. I am always happy to have more content added to articles about Japan, and I work on articles about Japan all the time, but we have to follow Misplaced Pages policies. This means tagging images correctly and trying to source unqualified statements: "The threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true." 怒らないでね。おやすみ。Dekimasu 15:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia is neither a democracy nor a dictatorship ..I like the term "free" which comes before Misplaced Pages..So,I preferred talk to people before even thinking about going to those "action" places..I am certainly not mad at you,But I would appreciate it if you could talk to me,before putting me to the swords of all mighty admins ..No hard feelings bro.

The argument for deletion is ,to be honestly, surprisingly weak..I know how wikipedia works but I thought this is a clear cut case..A fan has a photo ,taken by him ,and I just uploaded it..ahh,also you have deleted the link given in the article..I have read the link you gave, but that site doesn't belong to any of these..could you please tell me why it should not be given there??おおきに --Iwazaki 16:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

One of the subsections talks about not linking smaller wikis, and another section further down talks about inserting foreign-language links as little as possible. I understand the value of adding her official site, but I don't think I agree with adding unofficial sites in Japanese, especially since there isn't any guarantee that their information are reliable. The one that was listed before also had a copyvio picture (it is noted as coming from the book that is linked on amazon.co.jp). I hope the article will keep getting better... Dekimasu 15:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Make Believe

How come everytime I try to do some good on wikipedia. I always get crapped on. It doesn't matter if the songs were not singles. Look at the Beatles albums. Every song that is not a single has it's own page. So I guess you will have to propose those for deletion too. : ( User:wikiwonka12

I think there probably are some Beatles songs that aren't notable enough to have articles, but as a fan of both groups I think it is a little bit overzealous to claim that recent Weezer songs have as much cultural relevance as Beatles songs. If you can show that the songs are notable, of course they can stay. If I can help you with that somehow, just let me know. Also, I noticed the articles in the first place because you linked to "producer", which is a disambiguation page. You may want to link those to "record producer" instead in the future. Dekimasu 15:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I honestly don't see the point to deleting the song pages. I had suffient information on each song. I think at this point now it is simply a matter of opinion. I think if the song has suffient information then it should stay. I think you should remove the "deletion tag" for now at least. So we can continue to discuss this because I am not on wikipedia all the time. I am not on here often enough to defend my articles. User:wikiwonka12

I don't mean to deprive you of the chance to defend the articles (which are everybody's, actually). But anyway, if I nominate them for deletion at WP:AfD, we should be able to have an unbiased discussion with more members of the community, right? If you can let me know beforehand that you'll be around once in a 5-day period, I'll wait until that period to nominate them. There's no deadline around here and I'm in no rush. I'll take your comments as a sign that I should remove the prod tags, but actually, you can always remove them yourself. Dekimasu 05:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I've come to believe that rather than nominate the articles for deletion, it may be a better solution to redirect them to the main article. The individual articles have one source, the song-by-song commentary, and I have now added the link to it to the article for the whole album. No one seems to have added more information to any of them in the last several weeks since our discussion. We are all allowed Wikibreaks, but if you don't return at some point, I may (as a preliminary solution) turn the articles in question into redirects. Dekimasu 12:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Aino (disambiguation)

(From User talk:Petri Krohn#Aino)

1. The MoS says the most common use should be first. Aino (mythology) may be the most common use. Aino (given name), most likely is not, there is not even an article!.
2. A missing article cannot be first.
3. Aino (given name) is derived from Aino (mythology).

-- Petri Krohn 13:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe you, although it appears to be a common first name given the other links. If you can point me to anything that says a missing article cannot be first, please let me know. I couldn't find it at WP:DAB or WP:MOS-DAB. Thanks for the reply. Dekimasu 13:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use

From User talk:Miaers, and copy-pasted here by User:Miaers: I came here to talk about the deletion review of the disambiguation page, but I noticed that you have a fair use image you uploaded on your user page. First, please note that it is never considered acceptable to display fair use images on your user page. I am also certain that this is a replaceable image and doesn't qualify under a fair use claim, but I don't want you to think that I am trying to attack your editing personally. Image:Chapman Hall.jpg should be listed at Misplaced Pages:Possibly unfree images, but you can remove it from the articles and ask to have it deleted yourself. Please let me know if you have any questions about this. Dekimasu 03:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The image you mentioned in my talk page can't be replaced by any free one. It is a fair use I have already provided the raionale. Miaers 05:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't like the fair use policy when I first started to deal with it, but it is a policy that we need to abide by for legal purposes. Per Misplaced Pages:Fair use#Policy, number 9, there is no fair use outside of the article namespace, so you really do have to remove the image from your userpage - there aren't exceptions to the rule. Beyond that, the image is replaceable (please note the "or could be created" phrase in the fair use template). You, or someone else, can go to the building and take a picture of it, upload it, and use it on the pages it currently illustrates. I am tagging it as Template:Fair use replace for now. Dekimasu 05:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not even in Wisconsin. I can't take the picture. More importantly, I don't think anyone can take a picture as beautiful as the one that is being used. Miaers 06:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a reasonable expectation that a similar photo could be taken by someone else, and that the resulting photo could then be licensed under the GFDL. Fair use policy does not permit the use of images for purely decorative purposes. In both this case, and at the University of Wisconsin discussion, it seems that you want to argue against applying Misplaced Pages policies in the cases of specific pages. If you want to change the way Misplaced Pages works, you should really be attempting to change the policies themselves. I would advise you to go to Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation page and discuss primary topic distinctions or Misplaced Pages:Fair use and discuss the problems you have with fair use policy. I don't think you would have a good chance of having the policies and guidelines changed, but using a bottom-up approach to change the application of consensus-based policies and guidelines is even more unlikely to result in a change in the way we organize Misplaced Pages. I don't like protecting for-profit Misplaced Pages mirrors from legal liability, but it's what we do. Dekimasu 07:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I contacted the author of this photo, Allan Hong. He agreed to let me use this photo in Misplaced Pages. Could you please let me know what kind of license I should use for this image? Miaers 14:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately that sort of agreement isn't allowed for Misplaced Pages's purposes, because it would prohibit downstream use by the mirrors I mentioned before. The photo is still listed as "all rights reserved" on flickr, so it is unacceptable for Misplaced Pages use. You can ask him to release his rights to the photo, in which case we could use it and you could have it on your user page too, or else it is still unproperly licensed and an unacceptable fair use violation on your user page. Dekimasu 11:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Image

This is to let you know that there is no free replacement to the two UW-Milwaukee alumni photo I uploaded. There is nothing wrong with this There is no free replacement. There is nothing wrong with this {{promophoto}} tag. Please stop reverting. Miaers 20:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Please note that the speedy deletion tag offers {{hangon}} and the talk page as a route to solve problems with speedy deletions, but mentions in bold text: "do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself". Please go to the talk pages of the images in question rather than adding fair use tags again. The fair use tag notes that it is generally not to be used for photos of living people, because there is a reasonable expectation that free images of the subjects can be obtained. I am not confident in your assertion that there is no possibility of obtaining free images, considering that you previously listed the copyrighted images as GFDL. Dekimasuよ! 20:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I usually put hostile remarks in archives. I didn't erase your message on my talk page. By the way, please stop removing the new license I put on these images. Miaers 20:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what you considered hostile; however, what I said was, "Uploader has been notified and has archived the message pertaining to this photo." I didn't say you erased my message. It was a note to administrators looking at the speedy, because they are instructed to check whether or not the uploader has been notified of the tag and copyright policy. Dekimasuよ! 20:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry.

I have no apologies or retractions to issue with regard to those who have been attacking Miriam Shear and Talk:Miriam Shear whatsoever. User:Yisraelasper ought have been banned the second he engaged in repeat vandalism, including more advanced tactics like page-moving. Italiavivi 14:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Please remember that blocks on Misplaced Pages are preventative, not punitive. We could have reported the vandalism on WP:AIV at the time it occurred, and it's likely that the user would have been blocked. However, there is no sense in which a block is necessary at this point. It would be much better to defuse the situation than to perpetuate it. I'll leave up User:Yisraelasper's reply because that's definitely preferrable to starting an edit war on a talk page. I hope this will be the end of the matter, although not quite on the terms I desired. Dekimasu 12:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Clarification from Dekimasu: This is aimed at User:Italiavivi, not at me:

So you take upon yourself to pick sides for Misplaced Pages. You sir are a vandal who had been warned about doing such partisan stunts before with other matters and accordingly threatened with banning. Since you refuse to drop your last slanderous nonsense as requested then I will put back my reply. yisraelasper

Further according to you then not taking sides means attacking Miriam Shear. Both supporting or attacking is partisan. If anyone should be banned it should be you for trying to terrorize other users. If you drop your last paragraph I will drop mine that I reposted. yisraelasper

I hope this will represent the end of the discussion. It is really not helpful for anyone's purposes to be intransigent in these matters. Dekimasu 11:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

User Adoption

I found your name on the list of users wishing to adopt other users and wondered how one would go about being adopted. Thanks for your time. Rurouniyuudai85 18:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The basic way to go about being adopted is to add the text {{Adoptme}} to your user page. Many adopters are very eager and look through that list on a regular basis; they can offer you adoption by changing the {{Adoptme}} to {{Adoptoffer}} and letting you know on your talk page.

I don't look through the list often myself, but I'm on Misplaced Pages daily. If you think our interests are similar (based on my user page, or maybe my contributions), I'm certainly free enough to help you get used to the workings of the site. If you'd rather find another adopter, you can still feel free to ask me questions anytime. Hope this helps. Dekimasu 13:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Our interests do seem similiar, I'm very interested in many things Japanese. I'm actually about to join the navy as a translator, hopefully the language they'll assign me will be Japanese (but if not that's ok, I plan on majoring in Asian Studies in school anyways). But if you'd like to adopt me that'd be pretty cool. Rurouniyuudai85 17:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Then I'm willing to help you out. You can change the {{Adoptme}} to {{Adoptee|Dekimasu}} on your userpage if you'd like. To start out, if you let me know a few articles in particular that you'd like to help out on, I'll take a look at them and make some suggestions about what you might like to do. Also, please let me know if I'm going too fast or too slow in showing you the ropes. Happy to work with you... Dekimasu 13:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks a lot. The first page I really want to work on is the Armored Core 4 article. I think that a seperate article should be made for the characters, corporations, and their respective starting ACs. (One article for those as opposed to including them in the main one.) Rurouniyuudai85 15:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the extra brackets. I'll read through the article the first time I'm online tomorrow and let you know what I think (it's after midnight here, so I'd better get some rest before work). Dekimasu 15:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It's all good, I understand. Rurouniyuudai85 15:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd also like to do what I can to solve the disputes over the article on Sparta, currently it's a mess. >< Rurouniyuudai85 16:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this soon, too. Dekimasu 03:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I've started to look through Armored Core 4 for you. Writing a new article is a big project, but if you're up for it, here's my advice.

I have some worries that an article on the characters and organizations would be susceptible to deletion, since some editors are likely to challenge the notability of the subject matter (you can see evidence of this in deletion debates like this one that was deleted; this one that was deleted; this one that ended without consensus; this one that was kept). It will have a much better chance (I can't emphasize this enough) if you can find reliable sources that talk about the characters or plot of the game. If it's constituted as a list (e.g. as "List of Armored Core 4 characters") it has a chance of becoming an established article. I think it would also benefit from being about characters in all of the games from the series, rather than one (i.e. "List of Armored Core characters").

You might want to structure your article like one that is recognized for its high quality. An example is List of Metal Gear Solid characters, which is a featured list. More on organization: since you want to talk about both characters and corporations, you can use the corporations as sections, summarize the role of the corporation in the introduction to that section, and put the characters into their respective corporations. You can also find some active support at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games.

A last piece of advice is that instead of creating the article and then writing it in pieces, you'll want to put quite a bit of it together first. You can do this in an out-of-the-way place like User:Rurouniyuudai85/Sandbox, and ask for advice along the way. Dekimasu 03:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I'll work on it tonight (I'm at work right now, heh.) Rurouniyuudai85 14:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Time for bed again. Good luck searching for sources. Dekimasu 14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ad suggestion

From User talk:Qxz, and copy-pasted here by User:Qxz: How about an ad related to Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation pages with links? It's been hit kind of hard lately (see the link numbers at Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation pages maintenance) and would have the sort of widespread appeal you seem to be looking for. I love the ads, by the way... especially the one on edit summaries. Dekimasu 13:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your suggestion. I'll see what I can do – Qxz 13:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

How's this? I've added it to the selection – Qxz 13:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Great! Thanks. I'm really impressed. Dekimasu 13:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?

Psyche.

Thank you very much, I like it. One suggestion is that it could probably stand to lose the notice image on the left since it's just taking up space and the notice is long enough that the image is obscured. But overall that's an excellent idea. --tjstrf talk 06:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

About Kentaro Noda

Kentaro's history is here.

• http://kentaro-noda.hp.infoseek.co.jp/index-e.html
• http://www.concorsoviotti.it/
• http://www.jmevents.ro/index.php?page=youth_concurs_2006_compozitie_laureati
• http://www.ereprijs.nl/php/nws06031101.html
• http://www.ccmm.ru/j_3comp_res.html

--125.172.137.254 16:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The sources in foreign languages may be good, but they aren't in foreign languages that I can read well, so I'll have to leave them to another editor. Thanks for cross-posting at Talk:Kentaro Noda. As for his own site, I'm not convinced that it represents a reliable source. It certainly hasn't been reviewed or copyedited, or seen any third-party eyes. The problems this page is having on the Japanese Wiki are giving me qualms about developing it further through translation, as I think I said on the talk page. Dekimasu 08:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Third-party's writing is here.

• http://www.drehpunktkultur.at/txt06-8/0876.htm

--125.172.137.254 17:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Tzfootball

Thanks, the user is now blocked. (You might have received a faster response at administrators' intervention page, because I was busy editing a different article at the time.) - Mike Rosoft 09:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks for the assistance. I'm aware of AIV, but I knew that you were online and had knowledge of the situation, so I thought that might be simpler. Of course I'll keep AIV in mind. Dekimasu 09:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your support in my recent RfA. I'm honored that you consider me one of your favorite editors. Here's hoping I can do some good with the new tools. Shimeru 15:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Aki Hoshino Page

I don't know how do you get the information saying that she was born at 1977 instead of 1978. As far as all the DVD's and related materials I have, they concerned me that she is a product of 1978. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorto (talk • contribs) 08:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

She used to say that she was born in 1978, but then admitted that she was born in 1977. This month there was a television special about her 30th birthday. Here's an example source for that television show referencing her age (can you read Japanese?). You can also take a look at the Japanese Misplaced Pages, which explains「以前まで『1978年生まれ』と1歳サバを読んでいたが、2006年から『1977年生まれ』と公式プロフィールなどに掲載されている。」 I'll copy this note to Talk:Aki Hoshino and change the age back. I hope you aren't too disappointed. (^_-) Dekimasu 08:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You are damn right. I know that she celebrates her 30th birthday this year, however I still stick with the materials from her DVD....... I am disappointed about admitting both facts. She is 30 and born in 1978, that doesn't make sense. Thanks for correcting me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorto (talk • contribs) 19:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

Kansai-ben Userbox?

I noticed that in your userboxes, you had (what appears to be) a homemade "Osaka-ben" language box. I'd actually be interested in having something for Kansai-ben on my own user page, and I thought that perhaps it might be worthwhile to create an actual set of usable Kansai-ben templates. There is no listing as-of-yet at Misplaced Pages:Userboxes/Non-ISO_Languages, but I don't think it'd be that hard to create such. If anything, the tricky part would be putting the message in-dialect and making it sound natural... --Julian Grybowski 13:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, this was months ago. It took me a while, but I located my source for the text. It's at this page on JA. There are listings for several distinct kinds of Kansai-ben, but there's no listing for Kansai-ben as a whole. We could probably get an interesting set by mixing and matching (e.g. Kobe-2 is much more interesting than Osaka-2, and sounds like an Osaka teen: この利用者は神戸弁をばり喋んねん; fluent Osaka-ben is nice: この利用者、コテコテの大阪弁、母語にしとんねん; and I like Wakayama-1: この利用者はちぃとは和歌山弁を喋れるんよ). The 江州弁 set is fairly good too.

Writing them from scratch would be ideal, though. If a few of us can agree on some text for the boxes, it would always be possible for someone who comes after us to clean up the mess. I'll ask User:MightyAtom and User:Tigers boy for their input, since they pop to mind as users I see working on Kansai-related articles. And User:BradBeattie created the box for people living in Osaka, so I'll ask him too. Dekimasu 18:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

D, enjoy!

Trampton has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Trampton 15:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Thank you. Dekimasu 19:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Bleach references problem

Please see Talk:Bleach (manga)#References formatting problems. I'd never paid attention to that part of the box before, but on reading it I've noticed that your proposed format for the manga citations cannot give us consistent and accurate page citations throughout our articles. --tjstrf talk 01:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't a format that I proposed, although I adjusted it slightly. I have responded to your questions on the talk page there. It would be great if we could get correct referencing for the citations we already have. The problem is that if we cite a manga volume, we have to cite the page number in that volume, not in the chapter. Dekimasu 01:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

A wholly perfect solution would incorporate both volume and chapter page citations, allowing lookup from either the tankobon or the magazine/scans. And you're welcome. I've been trying to give the most precise citations I can for each bit of information, which has basically meant rereading the series from chapter one. The really difficult bit will be that someone has to cite the Bount arc information, which means hours of rewatching filler. I'm hoping I can skip out on that particular task. --tjstrf talk 02:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Editing my own page

About the changing of Japan. I do not approve of people editing my own page. As it makes my head mad and I nearly have a fit. But I don't mind people correcting me. Thanks for that. JoshuaMD 15:40 26th March 2007 (GMT)

This looks to have been several months ago. Sorry to have caused a problem. People do not usually mind link repair because it doesn't change the appearance of anything on the page. Of course I don't edit grammar, etc. on user pages, but if I can see where a link is supposed to go, I may point it there as a courtesy. Some users put notes on their user pages that indicate they would rather not have them edited. Dekimasu 14:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:PROD

I almost can't believe how far I'm going for such an insignificant article. Anyway, maybe, and just maybe, you want to read (and then feel remorse for doing it) my answer to your prod. Also, I'm still trying to understand what's that WP:SNOW you dislike. :o

Just a side note, I've noticed you must like Bleach... If, by any chance, you are not an anime fan, and you also hated basically all the Bount Arc, you should try Full Metal Alchemist and / or The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. I envy you so much you're both learning japanese and living there. --Caue (T | C) 02:48, Thursday 2007-03-29 (UTC)

Thank you for your well-thought-out response. I tried to write one to you as well, but it was eaten by my browser, so here's an imperfect rehash of what I tried to write.

Unfortunately (or fortunately?) my post to your talk page was mostly the result of Template:PRODWarning, rather than my own words. The project that might be interested in a transwiki is Wiktionary, but we wouldn't then leave a redirect to another website.

I'm willing to discuss PROD philosphy with you if you'd like. You asked me to consider improving the article instead; of course, I do add information to lots of articles. I proposed doki doki for deletion because I don't think that the topic has the breadth to develop into a viable article. I doubt that encyclopedic information could be added as to its significance, although it is an interesting word. Deleting articles of the kinds referred to in WP:NOT helps Misplaced Pages to maintain and improve its reputation (not really an issue here) and stops it from taking over the realms of other sites like Wiktionary and Wikitravel.

Hmm. I've tried to think of things that might make you feel a little better about this. How about a redirect to Japanese sound symbolism (i.e. gitaigo and giseigo), and adding dokidoki to the list of examples? With the breadth of gitaigo that's out there, I don't feel it's really necessary to have both kirakira and giragira in the box, so it could easily replace one of those. Dekimasu 05:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Having posted this, I can see it looks a lot more blunt than what I meant to write. Believe me that I'm sorry, and be thankful you don't have to use evil Japanese web browsers that eat your well-intentioned posts. By the way, I did hate the Bount arc, but I read the comics much more than I watch the anime. Manga is really good reading practice because the pictures give you cues if you forget a kanji. I hope you'll have a chance to try and learn Japanese. Dekimasu 05:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I hate when that happens, those damn starving browsers... On firefox I've even had a plugin where I could save a temporary file with a shortcut, just like I would do in a normal notepad, back when I used to use non-gmail browser text forms a lot. Maybe you should look into that kind of thing, since you do so many edits around here. It shouldn't be hard to find.

Anyway, yeah, redirecting to a "grouping" article sounds good. I'll take a look on it whenever I have the time. Maybe improving that japanese sound symbolism, maybe using another more relevant with the same grouping idea in mind, or maybe just moving it there as it is. Hopefully before those 4 days left.

I realised that it was a template just before I've answered it, but I don't like editing what I write too much. Specially not deleting (or losing). I choose pen over pencil. :P One reason I love wikipedia so much is not just the fact you can correct and clean up messed things, but you can also look at the mess (through history) and learn a lot from so many mistakes. I wouldn't mind any deletion at all if the article history was saved, i.e. basically setting a page to blank. It'd be just like deletion is really done on old disk partition techniques (which are the same used in domestic computers today), by the way.

About manga, I've never thought about it like that, although I used to read translated Ranma 1/2. I thought you'd say "I read manga because the story is better there", which is true most of the time, just like books are mostly better than movies. But I still prefer watching an animated story than reading it, for many reasons. Maybe I can catch the spoken language, just like I did with english... And maybe I can eventually learn the writing from games, closed captions and internet, again as I did with english. :o But I think that learning japanese would take me way more time than it already took me with english.

And don't worry, you don't look blunt to me. Specially after I realized how different PROD is from AfD. Plus, I still would like to discuss over all the fuss around deletion with ya.

--Caue (T | C) 18:14, Thursday 2007-03-29 (UTC)

Just to get back to you quickly: since the prod is expiring, I'm going to perform the redirect now and I'll change a few things on Japanese sound symbolism later. The history will stay around with the redirect in place. I'll try to reply to you in more detail later on. Thanks for the kind reply. Dekimasu 04:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

dekimasu

Hmm, I knew I've heard dekimasu somewhere before... It was from that (any) little j-girl joyfully screaming when she finished something. And now I wonder why you chose that codename! :P --Caue (T | C) 19:05, Thursday 2007-03-29 (UTC)

Disambiguation - Primary topic

At Talk:State university (disambiguation)#Survey - in opposition to the move you say I know we've had this discussion before. Did you have any particular discussion(s) in mind? Which? Andrewa 00:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Last month you asked me to consider reigonal bias in terms of universities and naming at Talk:University of Wisconsin, and we also discussed whether frequency of searches, or all searches, should be considered in page naming. I came upon the proposed move you mention here through Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. Knowing that you have previously expressed similar opposition to applying the guideline to universities, I thought it would be reasonable to ask you to move towards a broader discussion of the standard. Dekimasu 04:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, so that's Talk:University of Wisconsin#NPOV, around about March 9? Agree clarification seems necessary, and I've started a discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Disambiguation#Primary topic.

It's actually a guideline rather than a standard. That's important I think. Andrewa 20:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is the discussion I was talking about. Of course we can violate guidelines when there is sufficient reason to do so, but in this case I believe we would see a move request in the opposite direction within a short period of time. By "standard" I meant "the criteria that cause something to fall under the scope of the guideline". Dekimasu 03:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Utada

Replied. - Neier 07:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note... thought my message might have gotten lost in the archiving. I've replied to your reply. Dekimasu 07:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Aha: "(removing sentence fragment that appears to have been added in error)". Thanks for fixing that. It's the text of my edit summary, and I must have dropped it carelessly into the article also. – Noetica Talk 08:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Dekimasu 11:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

By Japan

Note from Dekimasu: This was my original message to User:Radiant!, brought over here so that the discussion causing the nomination will be in one place: You recently closed a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 27#Category:Singaporean executions that resulted in the move of Category:Japanese executions to Category:People executed by Japan. I don't dispute the close or the applicability of the debate to Singapore, but a lot of the people in the category about Japan were executed "in Japan" (by warring factions) rather than "by Japan", as an action of the Japanese government. I was considering initiating another move request, but I thought I would ask for your thoughts first. Dekimasu 06:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Hm, that's an interesting complication that I was unaware of. But wouldn't "executions in Japan" also include people executed by, say, China or the US, as long as the execution took place in Japan? >Radiant< 09:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it would broaden the category slightly over the previous meaning (I believe the only new additions would be Japanese war criminals from World War II). I thought that would be preferable to a name change that excluded articles from the category they were in before the move, particularly since the scope of the original title wasn't what was in question.

The current name has broadened the reach of the category in some ways as well. It appears that it should include executions outside of Japan but under the direction of the Japanese government, such as executions in Korea between 1910 and 1945, conflicts in Manchukuo, etc. Dekimasu 11:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I have no objection to such broadening per se, but my point is that if there is a bunch of similar cats ("executions in <foo>") then they should all work the same way, otherwise it gets confusing to both users and editors. >Radiant< 11:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand that. In that case, I'd suggest that it would be better to slightly broaden all of these categories in the same way, rather than have some articles in incorrect categories as the result of the moves. I can, if we decide to keep the "by Japan" name, go through and remove all of the ones that no longer belong in the category. It seems like a shame and a pain, since the current members of the category are unqualifiably "executions in Japan", but I can do it. On the other hand, I don't know how many other categories have had similar shifts resulting in articles placed in the wrong categories, and I'd be less qualified and somewhat less willing to deal with those problems. Dekimasu 11:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good, but may require a new rename suggestion on CFD (esp. since the previous CFD didn't really have all that many participants). Note that the actual related CFD was closed by Vegaswikian, not me. >Radiant< 12:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that for me. The population of the new category was being done by a bot, and it only referred me to the log for March 27. I assumed that the move was a result of the close on Category:Singaporean executions, since that was the one I noticed at the very top of the page. I'll mention the issue to Vegaswikian and probably open a new discussion. Dekimasu 12:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I was asked to stop by since I did the close. I'll follow the discussion here for a few days, so no need to reply on my page. Maybe the solution is to add some categories that are not just by country. In the case of Japan, we could add a category for the waring factions. That way it would still be executions by someone. I have problems with this suggestion for other reasons, but maybe it could help with finding a solution. Vegaswikian 16:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Under the current title, at least eight of the fifteen pages in this category need to be pulled out. As I said, I can do the work in this particular category, which would include recategorization. I'd like to hear a little more about what you see as problems with the suggestion, though, because other categories from the move may be in the same condition. Dekimasu 17:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

My concern was with the types of categories that would be created and where they should go. However after looking at Category:Executed people I see that my concerns are not real. There are logical groupings there. I don't see any reason why adding your cleanup as additional sub categories would be an issue. Vegaswikian 19:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

If you look at Category:Executions by country, two of the categories do fit the "in <foo>" setup (Singapore and the United States). Executions by the warring factions in Japan are not subcategories of the current Category:People executed by Japan, which prevents any of those executed people from being categorized "by country". However, other editors have pulled four articles out of the Japan category since last night, so I'll pull out the rest and then let it go. I hope that editors are looking at the other renames for similar issues. If you decide to change your mind, please let me know. Dekimasu 04:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Language ordering

Please note that the bot's language ordering in Bleach (manga) is actually widely accepted and also used by most other bots. There was a straw poll about it a while ago and the result was about 50/50. Basically the bot ordered the languages by their native name, which is easier to navigate for reader (and harder for editors, but you learn after a while). Some notable languages which are not as their appear are Hebrew (Ivrit), Japanese (Nihongo), Chinese (Zhongwen), Korean (Hangugeo) and Finnish (Suomi). -- Ynhockey 08:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the information and for reverting my error. I was very confused, and now it's all perfectly clear to me. Dekimasu 09:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Haw!

Belated kudos for your very funny WP:POINT comment at Misplaced Pages:Article Creation and Improvement Drive/Removed/Archive2#Godwin's Law. — SMcCandlish ‹(-¿-)› 14:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Gypsy

Answered on my page. Cheers. MadMaxDog 04:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Notification of arbitration case

This is to notify you that I am making an arbitration request concernining the University of Wisconsin redirect at . Miaers 00:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)