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			== Introduction (non psychological aspects missing?) ==
	== Persia ==

			The introduction only deals with psychological, whereas the article also includes literature and causal loop. Is there maybe something missing in the introduction (non psychological) ... sci fi -> ] ... self fulfilling prophecies? --] (]) 15:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
	{{re\|Dominic inquisitive}} I noticed the new addition. My concern is that this appears to only cite the primary source. If you know of a source describing it as a self-fulfilling prophecy, a secondary source, please consider adding it. Thanks, —]] – 18:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

			== Tow very important examples ==
	:{{re\|PaleoNeonate}} Hello and thank you for the notification. I just thought the event fits the description of a self-fulfilling prophecy and so I included it. I am not aware of a source that describes it exactly as such, under these exact words, and for which I am convinced it's trustworthy enough.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:32, 16 July 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign -->

			One is Voltaire, Francois Marie Arouet, the other is Marx, voltaire with the french revolution, marx with the communist revolutions ] (]) 02:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
	::As I don't personally find the material objectionable, I'll leave it for other editors to also assess. Let's see if it stands then. The reason to support it using another source is to avoid original research or synthesis (], ]). Using a primary source alone and interpreting it ourselves is discouraged. (Note: I realize that you are a new editor; I have used the {{tl\|xsign}} template to attribute your above post; using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end of your post would add your signature. Please see ] for more information on placing, indenting and signing posts.) Thanks, —]] – 20:28, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

			== "Moore's law predicting that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years is often considered as a self-fulfilling prophecy." ==
	== Remarks and Corrections (SPC1017, 2019) ==

			By whom? It is certainly true that everybody in the industry has heard of it, and a case could be made that they feel a subconscious drive to keep up with the pace set by this law. But such a drive would be superfluous - even if the law had never been enunciated, the industry would ''still'' be highly motivated to make things smaller and faster. If we accept the latter proposition (and I think it eminently plausible) then the prophecy cannot be considered self-fulfilling. ] (]) 13:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
	This article has a lot of repetition in the brief section, which would be more about defining the concept and maybe explaining how it is used, and a little bit of background such us, "Definition of concept. In what aspects it can be used/ is used: example: communication. "This concept has been recognized throughout time and was recently named by... in the year ...." or something similar but not too extensive, keeping the Misplaced Pages guidelines for the brief section. Then, minimizing the extensive information on the ways this concept has been used in different civilizations, focusing on essential information. Also, including more reliable sources and using classic literature or writings as examples, not "That's so Raven!". <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:02, 21 January 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Section on Stereotypes is too short ==

	The section of the article dealing specifically with stereotype threats should contain more information on the subject. The two sentences could be incorporated into another section. The information given in the section is also very basic and doesn't give much detail. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:51, 21 January 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Vague and Unorganized Information ==

	This article itself does have some adequate information, however most of the information is too vague and does not have proper citations.
	As well as, the information itself is quite unorganized. With an addition of more credible references this article should be more valid


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	== Self-defilling ==
	Many a self fulfilling prophecies end up in a disaster e.g. the . Or if the estimate is, that there will be an economical crash due to COVID-19. If many politicians believe that this is correct and spend money to stimulate the economy, the result could be that the estimated economical downturn is prevented. Could this be called "self-defilling"? ] (]) 13:24, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

	== Merton ==

	Merton, though towering force in the field, was not the father of sociology. Ibn Khaldun, Comte, Weber, Ferguson, Durkheim and other luminaries in the field preceded him. Even simplewikipedia's short article on sociology names a number of sociologists before Merton. Sociology was taught as a subject in 1890, and a department of sociology was founded in 1904, six years before Merton was born. I am not going to change the entry, though, because of a combination o fWikipedia policy and the Internet's nature. To wit, Misplaced Pages relies on secondary sources, citing them even if wrong unless there is citable material to contradict the citation; the other point is that the source for labeling Merton the father of sociology is a site that I can't enter because it apparently requires one to be affiliated with the host university.
	Calling him the father of the sociology of science, on the other hand, would be warranted. Whether that would be relevant to this particular article is something for editors to decide.] (]) 03:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

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Introduction (non psychological aspects missing?)

The introduction only deals with psychological, whereas the article also includes literature and causal loop. Is there maybe something missing in the introduction (non psychological) ... sci fi -> timetravel ... self fulfilling prophecies? --Alien4 (talk) 15:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Tow very important examples

One is Voltaire, Francois Marie Arouet, the other is Marx, voltaire with the french revolution, marx with the communist revolutions 114.122.104.195 (talk) 02:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

"Moore's law predicting that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years is often considered as a self-fulfilling prophecy."

By whom? It is certainly true that everybody in the industry has heard of it, and a case could be made that they feel a subconscious drive to keep up with the pace set by this law. But such a drive would be superfluous - even if the law had never been enunciated, the industry would still be highly motivated to make things smaller and faster. If we accept the latter proposition (and I think it eminently plausible) then the prophecy cannot be considered self-fulfilling. 2A01:CB0C:761:5B00:7908:56A4:D005:CA3F (talk) 13:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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