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	There are not enough references to each fact that are both reliable and relatable to the individual fact. For example, "In Canadian hockey, junior league players are selected based on skill, motor coordination, physical maturity, and other individual merit criteria." Where did this statistic come from and how reliable is it?
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	Also, according to whom did the following take place?
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	"Merton took the concept a step further and applied it to recent social phenomena."
	There needs to be clarification as to where this information came from.
	Where is this "extensive evidence"?
	"There is extensive evidence of "Interpersonal Expectation Effects" where the seemingly private expectations of individuals can predict the outcome of the world around them."
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	There are many different citations missing from different parts of the article.. It directly from different articles several times, for example the 1948 . Doesn't have enough evidence to support the statement that self-fulfilling prophecy stems from Merton's theorem. Goes out of topic talking about economic theories and models. Give conclusion on how to break the prophecy cycle, but Misplaced Pages is about facts not how to's. Directly quotes from Karl Popper article. Goes way off topic giving too many examples(over presented) of where self fulfilling prophecies can be found in literature. The Canadian Hockey reference is irrelevant, and just confuses or distracts from giving facts of what a self fulfilling prophecy is.] (]) 01:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
			== Introduction (non psychological aspects missing?) ==

			The introduction only deals with psychological, whereas the article also includes literature and causal loop. Is there maybe something missing in the introduction (non psychological) ... sci fi -> ] ... self fulfilling prophecies? --] (]) 15:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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	It is great to use so much information, but certain sections have no research to verify their information. Without a source it is hard to determine if the information is unbiased and correctly relayed. In the sections about Russia and India non e of this information ties back to a source. Without sources these sections can easily be labeled as false information. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			One is Voltaire, Francois Marie Arouet, the other is Marx, voltaire with the french revolution, marx with the communist revolutions ] (]) 02:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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			== "Moore's law predicting that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years is often considered as a self-fulfilling prophecy." ==
	The majority of this article lacks citation, such as many of the paragraphs in the History of Concept and in the Literature, media, and the arts. Underneath the History of Concept, claims are made without the use of citations as well as the lack of references for quotes made. The text underneath this title needs to be completely supported as each subject and example provided requires a source. There is also the lack of evidence behind Robert K. Merton's accreditation as well as the "examples abound", "extensive evidence", and "famous example". No information is provided to clarify this. Many of the origin stories under Literature, media, and the arts also do not hold any citations as to how the stories connect with the topic. -] (]) 20:13, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

			By whom? It is certainly true that everybody in the industry has heard of it, and a case could be made that they feel a subconscious drive to keep up with the pace set by this law. But such a drive would be superfluous - even if the law had never been enunciated, the industry would ''still'' be highly motivated to make things smaller and faster. If we accept the latter proposition (and I think it eminently plausible) then the prophecy cannot be considered self-fulfilling. ] (]) 13:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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Introduction (non psychological aspects missing?)

The introduction only deals with psychological, whereas the article also includes literature and causal loop. Is there maybe something missing in the introduction (non psychological) ... sci fi -> timetravel ... self fulfilling prophecies? --Alien4 (talk) 15:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Tow very important examples

One is Voltaire, Francois Marie Arouet, the other is Marx, voltaire with the french revolution, marx with the communist revolutions 114.122.104.195 (talk) 02:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

"Moore's law predicting that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years is often considered as a self-fulfilling prophecy."

By whom? It is certainly true that everybody in the industry has heard of it, and a case could be made that they feel a subconscious drive to keep up with the pace set by this law. But such a drive would be superfluous - even if the law had never been enunciated, the industry would still be highly motivated to make things smaller and faster. If we accept the latter proposition (and I think it eminently plausible) then the prophecy cannot be considered self-fulfilling. 2A01:CB0C:761:5B00:7908:56A4:D005:CA3F (talk) 13:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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