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== Lack of References and Information ==
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Looking at the references and citations, not every fact has been noted with a citation or reference; some lines explicitly saying that a citation is needed. Looking at the references themselves, many are older, with the latest reference coming from a book published in 2008. One source is from 1928 while a couple are missing publishing dates all together as well as links or other key information that would validate the quality of the source. The section with the least citations is "Applications". Most information given needs citations, there is wording such as "A famous..." and "...extensive evidence..." with no sources or examples to back such claims. One line of fact given, is cited incorrectly all together. In all, only three lines are cited in this section, two of which are books that lack links to retrieve verification and all three were published at 14 years ago or more.
When reading the article, one thing that stood out were the number, placement and quality of examples. Even though there is an entire section devoted to stories that revolve around the Self-fulfilling Prophecy there is a long example given under "History". There is only one, poorly cited example under "Sports" and an vague and general example for "Stereotypes" involving politics that is only two lines long. The majority of the examples are under "Literature, media, and the arts". Most of these stories were very drawn out, repetitive and go into great detail about the story. There are a couple examples are not explained whatsoever.


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== Introduction (non psychological aspects missing?) ==


The introduction only deals with psychological, whereas the article also includes literature and causal loop. Is there maybe something missing in the introduction (non psychological) ... sci fi -> ] ... self fulfilling prophecies? --] (]) 15:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


== Tow very important examples ==
There are not enough references to each fact that are both reliable and relatable to the individual fact. For example, "In Canadian hockey, junior league players are selected based on skill, motor coordination, physical maturity, and other individual merit criteria." Where did this statistic come from and how reliable is it?
Also, according to whom did the following take place?
"Merton took the concept a step further and applied it to recent social phenomena."
There needs to be clarification as to where this information came from.
Where is this "extensive evidence"?
"There is extensive evidence of "Interpersonal Expectation Effects" where the seemingly private expectations of individuals can predict the outcome of the world around them."
There is a lack of information as to what the "extensive evidence" is. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:00, 20 February 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Good writing, however many facts did not have a proper reference or citation ] (]) 00:32, 10 September 2017 (UTC) One is Voltaire, Francois Marie Arouet, the other is Marx, voltaire with the french revolution, marx with the communist revolutions ] (]) 02:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


== "Moore's law predicting that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years is often considered as a self-fulfilling prophecy." ==
==Lack of Cites, Irrelevant Info, and Direct Quotes ==


By whom? It is certainly true that everybody in the industry has heard of it, and a case could be made that they feel a subconscious drive to keep up with the pace set by this law. But such a drive would be superfluous - even if the law had never been enunciated, the industry would ''still'' be highly motivated to make things smaller and faster. If we accept the latter proposition (and I think it eminently plausible) then the prophecy cannot be considered self-fulfilling. ] (]) 13:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
There are many different citations missing from different parts of the article.. It directly from different articles several times, for example the 1948 . Doesn't have enough evidence to support the statement that self-fulfilling prophecy stems from Merton's theorem. Goes out of topic talking about economic theories and models. Give conclusion on how to break the prophecy cycle, but Misplaced Pages is about facts not how to's. Directly quotes from Karl Popper article. Goes way off topic giving too many examples(over presented) of where self fulfilling prophecies can be found in literature. The Canadian Hockey reference is irrelevant, and just confuses or distracts from giving facts of what a self fulfilling prophecy is.] (]) 01:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
would be good to include a citation in first paragraph regarding "Ancient Greece and ancient India..." ] (]) 00:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

== Missing citations ==

It is great to use so much information, but certain sections have no research to verify their information. Without a source it is hard to determine if the information is unbiased and correctly relayed. In the sections about Russia and India non e of this information ties back to a source. Without sources these sections can easily be labeled as false information. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Lack of references and information ==

The majority of this article lacks citation, such as many of the paragraphs in the History of Concept and in the Literature, media, and the arts. Underneath the History of Concept, claims are made without the use of citations as well as the lack of references for quotes made. The text underneath this title needs to be completely supported as each subject and example provided requires a source. There is also the lack of evidence behind Robert K. Merton's accreditation as well as the "examples abound", "extensive evidence", and "famous example". No information is provided to clarify this. Many of the origin stories under Literature, media, and the arts also do not hold any citations as to how the stories connect with the topic. -] (]) 20:13, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

== Issues with Language and Overall Appeal ==

One of the first and most prevalent issues that comes to mind when reading the article's summation of the concept is it's language. While generally written fairly well, the language feels some what too casual in certain portions of the lead, i.e. "In other words, a positive or negative prophecy..." Utilizing the phrase "in other words" here seems like the article is more akin to an essay that a college student or high school student would write, and while it works in the context of explaining the concept in essence, it adds a sense of informality that should not be seen quite often on an article discussing a sociological concept.

There are many other instances throughout the article that show this more casual/informal writing, and many instances could be fine but due to the lack of missing citations throughout the article make it difficult to apporiately judge what is actually a failed citation of a source. paraphrasing, and or original writing.

While information is there, and is written well enough, the obvious absence of citations make this article much more difficult to prove as credible and informative, and affect the overall look of the page and it's language. The addition of appropriate citations will benefit this page immensely and make it all the more appealing to readers and the website as a whole. ] (]) 14:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

== Lacking reliable information and proper citation. ==

The article clearly needs to provide citations for important information and refer data within the sentence. Additionally, there is evidence of plagiarism with the use of extensive in-text citation of original sources. Several parts are not relevant to the topic of the article such as the second paragraph in the "History of the concept" section and the "Sports" and "New Thought" sections. It is also lacking information and data in some parts such as the "Stereotype" and "Causal Loop" sections.] (]) 20:35, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

== Lack of Citations and Vague Information ==
There is a great lack of citations in the article. Some of the information provided came off as vague. For example, at one point in the article the author states "A famous example includes..." What is the famous example? Who came up with that example? I also found the sports section to be irrelevant. That section tends to somewhat throw off the article. In addition, there were other effects in psychology mentioned that have nothing to do with the article and some assertions were made at the end of each portion of the literature section. ] (]) 07:14, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== Irrelevant Information and Biased Writing ==
Some information provided does not fully support the main topic of the article. The examples provided under the "Literature, Media, and The Arts" are redundant and excessive which makes them irrelevant. The section "Sports" creates unbalance with the "Literature, Media, and The Arts" section because they differ on the amount of information provided; furthermore, the topic of the article is not being covered by the "Sports" paragraph, so the Sports section could be discarded or joined to the "Literature, Media, and Sports" section.

The article also contains biased narration and personal opinions. For example, the statement of "is very common" denotes a personal opinion without support or reference in the "Stereotype" section of the article. In general, the lack of references make the article seem less reliable. ] (]) 20:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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== Lack of reference and need more information ==

This article is missing references and needs more information. For example, under the Stereotype section, the articles fail in to give better definition and more examples. In my opinion, under the sports section needs a better explanation why Hockey is relative to the topic. ] (]) 02:49, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

== Persia ==

{{re|Dominic inquisitive}} I noticed the new addition. My concern is that this appears to only cite the primary source. If you know of a source describing it as a self-fulfilling prophecy, a secondary source, please consider adding it. Thanks, —]] – 18:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

:{{re|PaleoNeonate}} Hello and thanks for the notification. I just thought the event fits the description of a self-fulfilling prophecy and so I included it. I am not aware of a source that describes it exactly as such, under these exact words, and for which I am convinced it's trustworthy enough.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:32, 16 July 2018 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign -->

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== Lack of reliable references or neutral sources, information out of date and missing facts. ==

I was told to make a critique article for the SPC1017 class.(This critique can also be located on my sandbox) This " Self-fulfilling prophecy" article presents few citations from non-reliable sources. Article's section History of the concept shows several times a lacking of proper citation. Also under the Application section, a gap in sourcing is presented, and it is not clear who said the information stated. There's missing material like incomplete examples in support of the topic. The used of non-neutral sources are visible putting in question the article's credibility. Most of the references are out of date. To improve the article, I suggest adding more examples from primary and neutral sources up to date that can complement the article's topic with adequate results. --] (]) 19:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

== PBSC SPC 1017 Review on Self-fulfilling page ==


Overall, this page lacks proper citation, examples, reliable sources, and uses unreliable sources for some examples. There are gaps of information presented throughout the page. History of the concept needs additional citations for verification; there are claims that are not backed by reliable sources and missing citations. Under the application section, examples are missing, citations are missing, and evidence is not backed up by a reliable source/ don't have anything. Under the stereotype section, there appears to have a limited definition and examples. To improve the page it would be essential to add proper citations under the sections lacking, adding examples and removing filler words. Adding more sources from reliable and established sources to the page, some examples are out dated. --] (]) 20:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

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Introduction (non psychological aspects missing?)

The introduction only deals with psychological, whereas the article also includes literature and causal loop. Is there maybe something missing in the introduction (non psychological) ... sci fi -> timetravel ... self fulfilling prophecies? --Alien4 (talk) 15:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Tow very important examples

One is Voltaire, Francois Marie Arouet, the other is Marx, voltaire with the french revolution, marx with the communist revolutions 114.122.104.195 (talk) 02:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

"Moore's law predicting that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit (IC) doubles about every two years is often considered as a self-fulfilling prophecy."

By whom? It is certainly true that everybody in the industry has heard of it, and a case could be made that they feel a subconscious drive to keep up with the pace set by this law. But such a drive would be superfluous - even if the law had never been enunciated, the industry would still be highly motivated to make things smaller and faster. If we accept the latter proposition (and I think it eminently plausible) then the prophecy cannot be considered self-fulfilling. 2A01:CB0C:761:5B00:7908:56A4:D005:CA3F (talk) 13:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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