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{{Short description|Usenet discussion forum concerning evolution and the origin of life}} |
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'''talk.origins''' (often capitalised to '''Talk.Origins''' or abbreviated as '''t.o.''') is a ] ] discussion ] concerning the ], and ]. It remains a major venue for debate in the ], and its official purpose is to draw such debates out of the science ]s, such as sci.bio.evolution. |
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American biologist ] described the ] as a useful website in which anti-evolution arguments are answered definitively.<ref>iBioMagzine. Accessed 2013-03-24.</ref> |
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'''talk.origins''' (often capitalised to '''Talk.Origins''' or abbreviated as '''t.o.''') is a ] discussion ] concerning the ], and ]. Its official purpose is to draw such debates out of the science ]s, such as sci.bio.evolution and sci.bio.paleontology. With the general decline of evolution/creationism debate and discontinuation of ] support for Usenet in February 2024, Talk.Origins is now largely defunct. |
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== History == |
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== History == |
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The first post to talk.origins was a starter post by ], dated 5 September 1986.<ref name="first">{{cite newsgroup |title=starter message for talk.origins |author=] |date=5 September 1986 |newsgroup=talk.origins |id=2518@cbosgd.UUCP |url=http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/522447ebebbe9bd6 |accessdate=9 September 2009}}</ref> |
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The first post to talk.origins was a starter post by ], dated 5 September 1986.<ref name="first">{{cite newsgroup |title=starter message for talk.origins |author=Horton, Mark |author-link=Mary Ann Horton |date=5 September 1986 |newsgroup=talk.origins |message-id=2518@cbosgd.UUCP |url=http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/522447ebebbe9bd6 |access-date=9 September 2009}}</ref> |
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In the early 1990s, a number of ]s on various topics were being periodically posted to the ]. In 1994, ] established an anonymous ] site to host the collected ]s of the newsgroup. In 1995, Vickers started the ] web site as another means of hosting the talk.origins FAQs. It maintains an extensive FAQ on topics in ], ] and ], with the aim of representing the views of ]. It has spawned other websites, notably ] "a response to the ] movement", Evowiki, and the ]. |
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In the early 1990s, a number of ]s on various topics were being periodically posted to the ]. In 1994, ] established an anonymous ] site to host the collected ]s of the newsgroup. In 1995, Vickers started the ] web site as another means of hosting the talk.origins FAQs. It maintains an extensive FAQ on topics in ], ] and ], with the aim of representing the views of ]. It has spawned other websites, notably ] "a response to the ] movement", Evowiki, and the ]. |
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The group was originally created as the unmoderated newsgroup net.origins as a 'dumping ground' for all the various flame threads 'polluting' other newsgroups, then renamed to talk.origins as part of the ]. Subsequently, after discussion on the newsgroup, the group was voted to be ] in 1997 by the normal ] RFD/CFV process, in which only ] and excessive crossposting are censored. The moderator for the newsgroup is David Iain Greig (and technically ] as alternate/backup). |
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The group was originally created as the unmoderated newsgroup net.origins as a 'dumping ground' for all the various flame threads 'polluting' other newsgroups, then renamed to talk.origins as part of the ]. Subsequently, after discussion on the newsgroup, the group was voted to be ] in 1997 by the normal ] RFD/CFV process, in which only ] and excessive crossposting are censored. The moderator for the newsgroup is David Iain Greig<ref> The Virtual University of Ediacara, 16 Feb. 2014</ref> (and technically ] as alternate/backup). |
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== Culture == |
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== Culture == |
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The group is characterized by a long list of in-crowd jokes like the fictitious University of Ediacara,<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.ediacara.org/ |title=Ediacara University Home Page |accessdate=20 September 2008}}</ref> the equally fictitious ''Evil Atheist Conspiracy''<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.cyberdespot.com/eac.html |title=The Evil Atheist Conspiracy |accessdate=20 September 2008}}</ref> which allegedly hides all the evidence supporting ], a monthly election of the ''Chez Watt''-award for "statements that make you go 'say what', or some such.",<ref name="chezwatt">{{cite newsgroup |title=Re: Chez Watt (was Re: I am a creationist) |author=Grumbine, Robert |date=5 May 2005 |newsgroup=talk.origins |id=117k8aqod3nhr85@corp.supernews.com |url=http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/22ec69dd6686d5e4 |accessdate=9 September 2009}}</ref> ] cascades, a strong predisposition to quoting ] and a habit of calling ]s "the best birds". |
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The group is characterized by a long list of in-crowd jokes like the fictitious University of Ediacara,<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.ediacara.org/ |title=Ediacara University Home Page |access-date=20 September 2008 |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20141217055118/http://ediacara.org/ |archive-date=17 December 2014 }}</ref> the equally fictitious ''Evil Atheist Conspiracy''<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.cyberdespot.com/eac.html |title=The Evil Atheist Conspiracy |access-date=20 September 2008}}</ref> which allegedly hides all the evidence supporting ], a monthly election of the ''Chez Watt''-award for "statements that make you go 'say what', or some such",<ref name="chezwatt">{{cite newsgroup |title=Re: Chez Watt (was Re: I am a creationist) |author=Grumbine, Robert |date=5 May 2005 |newsgroup=talk.origins |message-id=117k8aqod3nhr85@corp.supernews.com |url=http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/22ec69dd6686d5e4 |access-date=9 September 2009}}</ref> ] cascades, a strong predisposition to quoting ], and a habit of calling ]s "the best birds".{{fact|date=December 2023}} |
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Apart from the fun, the group includes rebuttals to creationist claims. There is an expectation that any claim is to be backed up by actual evidence, preferably in the form of a ]ed publication in a reputable ]. The group as a whole votes for a PoTM-award (Post of The Month), which makes it into the annals of ].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/ |title=TalkOrigins.org Post of the Month Archive |publisher=] |date=12 August 2007}}</ref> |
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Apart from the humor, the group includes rebuttals to creationist claims. There is an expectation that any claim is to be backed up by actual evidence, preferably in the form of a ]ed publication in a reputable ].{{fact|date=December 2023}} The group as a whole votes for a PoTM-award (Post of The Month), which makes it into the annals of ].<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/ |title=TalkOrigins.org Post of the Month Archive |publisher=] |date=12 August 2007}}</ref> |
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== See also == |
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** {{cite web |url= http://www.ediacara.org/~to |title= Talk Origins |website= Ediacara |archive-date= 15 June 2006 |archive-url= https://web.archive.org/web/20060615000837/http://www.ediacara.org/~to/ }} |
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The group was originally created as the unmoderated newsgroup net.origins as a 'dumping ground' for all the various flame threads 'polluting' other newsgroups, then renamed to talk.origins as part of the Great Renaming. Subsequently, after discussion on the newsgroup, the group was voted to be moderated in 1997 by the normal USENET RFD/CFV process, in which only spam and excessive crossposting are censored. The moderator for the newsgroup is David Iain Greig (and technically Jim Lippard as alternate/backup).
The group is characterized by a long list of in-crowd jokes like the fictitious University of Ediacara, the equally fictitious Evil Atheist Conspiracy which allegedly hides all the evidence supporting Creationism, a monthly election of the Chez Watt-award for "statements that make you go 'say what', or some such", pun cascades, a strong predisposition to quoting Monty Python, and a habit of calling penguins "the best birds".
Apart from the humor, the group includes rebuttals to creationist claims. There is an expectation that any claim is to be backed up by actual evidence, preferably in the form of a peer-reviewed publication in a reputable journal. The group as a whole votes for a PoTM-award (Post of The Month), which makes it into the annals of TalkOrigins Archive.
