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| ::Although you cannot place a citation in the categories directly. Would I have to add a paragraph into the article, cite that, and have that be related to the categories I am adding? ] (]) 01:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC) | ::Although you cannot place a citation in the categories directly. Would I have to add a paragraph into the article, cite that, and have that be related to the categories I am adding? ] (]) 01:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC) | ||
| :::{{re|TheJosh42}} Correct. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 01:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC) | :::{{re|TheJosh42}} Correct. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 01:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC) | ||
| == Hasty reversion of my edit at ] == | |||
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| In the ] article, there is a sentence ''"{{xt|Obsidian consists mainly of SiO2 (silicon dioxide), usually 70% by weight or more.}}"'' This text has been unsourced for more than 22 years, since it was added to the article on 11 March 2002 by user Bryan Derksen. Another sentence in the article : ''"{{xt|Obsidian is produced from felsic lava, rich in the lighter elements such as silicon, oxygen, aluminium, sodium, and potassium.}}"'' has been unsourced for more than 3 years since it was added to the article on 3 April 2021 by user Robert P. O'Shea. | |||
| On 17 August 2024, a user, Tim, asked at ] what accounts for the other 30% of obsidian's composition. In response to this, at 14:08 on 17 August 2024, I added the text ''"{{xt|the remainder consists of variable amounts of other oxides, mostly oxides of aluminium, iron, potassium, sodium and calcium}}"'' onto the end of the sentence that has been unsourced for more than 22 years in the ] article, so the sentence became ''"{{xt|Obsidian consists mainly of SiO2 (silicon dioxide), usually 70% by weight or more; the remainder consists of variable amounts of other oxides, mostly oxides of aluminium, iron, potassium, sodium and calcium.}}"''. Only 3 minutes later, at 14:11, you reverted my edit with edit summary ''"{{xt|Unsourced OR, Personal knowledge is not verifiable to our readers or editors and therefore not acceptable, even if you're an Expert.}}"''. Your reversion was so quick that I had not had enough time to add some source references to the article to support the text and enable readers to verify it - it took me a few minutes to copy/paste the details into citation templates. | |||
| I think your reaction was unreasonably hasty and your edit summary accusing me of original research is also unreasonable. In only 3 minutes you decided that the text did not merit e.g. a "citation needed" tag. Instead, in 3 minutes, you decided that the text was not merely unsourced; in 3 minutes you decided that the accuracy of the text was impossible to verify, and that it was original research (which Misplaced Pages defines as ''"{{xt|"material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that reaches or implies a conclusion not stated by the sources.}}"''). In 3 minutes, you decided that the text I added was unverifiable personal knowledge. I have source references that would show it is not unverifiable - it would have been nice to have been given the chance to prove this before your unreasonably rapid reversion of my edit. | |||
| Original research is ''not'' when an editor adds information in one edit and then, only 4 minutes later, tries to add supporting source reference citations (to enable verification showing that the edit is indeed ''not'' original research) only to find that the first edit was removed after only 3 minutes by another, unnecessarily overzealous editor, with an edit summary including unfounded accusations of original research (a serious allegation because it violates Misplaced Pages policy). In future, please give other editors a much more reasonable amount of time to add source reference citations, especially before accusing other editors of original research. Reverting after only 3 minutes is far too quick (and especially inappropriate in this case because you have allowed the unsourced first half of the sentence to remain untouched despite it having been unsourced since it was added to the article almost a quarter of a century ago). Every edit that does not simultaneously include a source reference citation should not be assumed to be original research. Adding text and then adding supporting source reference citations several minutes later, as I was trying to do, is perfectly acceptable Misplaced Pages editing behaviour. Please give other editors a reasonable chance to add citations before removing their contributions. Also, please consider alternative courses of action such as tagging unsourced text with a "citation needed" tag (currently used in about 8% of Misplaced Pages articles) and using more objective reversion edit summaries such as "unsourced". ] (]) 17:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Hello! First time using this so sorry if I mess something up!
Still getting used to the whole editing-side of Misplaced Pages and I am definitely liable to make a few mistakes or missteps!
I saw that you reverted my edit to the late Stefán Karl Stefánsson's page in which I added categories for his status as a meme, and I explained my logic in the edit message. You said that it was unsourced, and you are correct, but how exactly would I source something for categories which I figured were a bit more lax in terms of citation?
Thank you for reading - I am still learning so I just wanted to reach out to learn a bit more. :)
TheJosh42 (talk) 01:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TheJosh42: Same as any source, newspapers, 3rd party articles, ect.. See also Help:Referencing for beginners - FlightTime (open channel) 01:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Although you cannot place a citation in the categories directly. Would I have to add a paragraph into the article, cite that, and have that be related to the categories I am adding? TheJosh42 (talk) 01:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TheJosh42: Correct. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Although you cannot place a citation in the categories directly. Would I have to add a paragraph into the article, cite that, and have that be related to the categories I am adding? TheJosh42 (talk) 01:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)