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	There were a total of 3 Videos uploaded after Filthy Compilation #6, and before the Sunny Coast Skate Version:

	First, by Youtube channel Gam3xpert
	Upload Date Jan 31, 2013
	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbfcZ_O4Uc8

	Second, by Youtube channel Alessandro Zermo
	Upload Date Jan 31, 2013
	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YizP4iT8sA0

	Third, by Youtube channel hectecdesign
	Upload Date Feb 2, 2013 at 06:11 (UTC)
	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7BfTnhGAI


	The Timeline should read as such:

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	All times UTC

	2013-01-30 22:34: "Filthy Compilation #6 - Smell My Fingers" by Filthy Frank (channel DizastaMusic) uploaded to YouTube

	2013-01-31 01:47: "Baauer - Harlem Shake (Filthy Frank Style)" (channel Gam3xpert)uploaded to YouTube

	2013-01-31 22:16: " Harlem Shake FILTHY COMPILATION #6" (channel Alessandro Zermo)uploaded to YouTube

	2013-02-03 06:11: "DO THE HARLEM SHAKE (FILTHY REMIX)" (channel hectecdesign) uploaded to YouTube

	2013-02-02 15:17: The Sunny Coast Skate's version uploaded

	2013-02-02 17:38: Filthy Frank's version uploaded


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	Also I found over a lot more video mixes, video chops and edits of the 19 second Skit from the "Filth Compilation - Smell My Fingers" uploaded to YouTube on and Feb 1st and 2nd.

	Source: YouTube Search for First Harlem Shake Videos by Upload Date.

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	: There are versions going back as far as June 2012, where people are either dancing to the Harlem Shake, or dancing as well as adding an overlay of their own lyrics or music to Baaeur's Harlem Shake, and even 30 second video game highlights set to the music. These are from other independent YT account holders, with their own versions of the Harlem Shake that were uploaded well before FF's version. These clips vary in length from the very short, to longer 4+ minute versions. However, this does raise an interesting scenario, that any reference to FF's version of the Harlem Shake as being the "first" is not correct. It now appears that FF's was also a response to other videos loaded prior to his ? ] (]) 11:24, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

	: It seems at least one of these additional versions cited above is a remix/edit by one of those account holders, and I really don't think they hold any relevance to the timeline of significant versions. One of those videos acknowledges it is 'fan-made'. But, none of these FF formats or any other video over the preceding 7 months was adopted as the meme, i.e. it seemed to gather momentum until it reached a point where the TSCS version established the accepted format when released on Feb 02. If you watch the videos after this date, a couple of the early ones directly credit TSCS in their video, not just in the description of the upload. But it's probably more clea now that all the different versions of the FF clip were ignored in favour of the TSCS version as the standard meme. ] (]) 11:24, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
	:: Where is this discussion regarding Filthy Frank? ] (]) 16:21, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
	::: There's a link to "Archives" on this page. All discussions get archived after some time of inactivity. --] (]) 03:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

	== revert ==

	For what reason was this reverted? ] (]) 15:57, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

	* Because it was an attempt to change a part supported by reliable sources (more reliable than an editorial piece on the ] website) to say the opposite of what it says now. I can only suggest to cite the opposite opinion in a separate paragraph. --] (]) 03:03, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

	* I read the publication on the Quartz website, it's interesting, but it was written to push a new and original point of view that it was big corporations who created the meme. And there are a lot of strange statements, like "Miller also posted all 36 seconds of the dance footage he had shot originally". "Originally"? "All 36 seconds"? How does the author know Frank shot only 36 seconds and not an hour? Does the author suggest that Filthy Frank conceived a 36-second version, but cut it to 20 seconds for the compilation he uploaded? If even he conceived it years ago, he wasn't the one who posted it first. And as it was already said on this talk page ( by ], sourced from the ABC News website), the Frank's version lacked the key elements of the meme. The meme as it is described in the Misplaced Pages article itself was created by the Australian team. --] (]) 03:35, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
	** The 36 seconds is this link . It wasn't hard to find that, it is even mentioned on this talk page. I don't see any discussion on the key elements of the meme. In fact I believe listing key elements of the meme counts as original research? ] (]) 08:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
	**The sources it seems to 'contadict' are the blogspot source (not 'more reliable') and an Australian paper (possibly biased?).. Am I missing anything? ] (]) 08:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
	***My opinion is that the YouTube Trends blog is the most reliable source for all things YouTube. I've already hinted about how I think you can include "an alternate theory" into any Misplaced Pages article. But if you simply want to change the article to say quite the opposite, it won't work cause what it says now is reliably sourced. Anyway, I think we need more people to participate in this discussion. My guess is that no other more or less substantive contributors to the article have come cause it already says what they believe is the correct version. --] (]) 04:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
	:The person making this argument, a recognized expert, is a stronger source than the mob of journalists who are repeating the common understanding on the topic. It's easy to see how an inaccurate understanding of events could be spread by the popular press. I don't think we can discount the weight of the sources based on a single credible counterargument, however strong, but nor can we blindly accept the sources without a caveat. Under the circumstances I don't think we should use Misplaced Pages's authoritative voice to proclaim that the video went viral on its own, but rather should present this at a meta-level by saying that many sources describe it as viral, whereas some experts note that growth was accelerated by the deliberate efforts of people and companies promoting those videos. Most likey, our understanding of virality is going to change pretty quickly soon as deliberate / paid promotion of videos becomes the norm, not the exception. - ] (]) 17:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

	I don't want to look mean when I'm reverting similar edits, changing "Australian teenagers" to "now famous channel DizastaMusic", etc. So I will repeat this again. If you want the article to present the matter from different viewpoints, just add it in a separate paragraph. You can't expect me to do it, cause I truly believe the Australians created it. Write something like "Some authors also attribute the meme to..." But if I wrote something like this, I would want to find a source that describes the meme and analyzes what was (inadvertently) conceived by Filthy Frank and what by the Australian team. --] (]) 02:58, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

	== origins==

	Whilst the account is accurate of the viral version of the Harlem Shake, the article appears to credit TheSunnyCoastSkat as creators of the Harlem Shake meme, which is not correct.

	It was created by blogger Filthy_Frank, who doesn't appear to be credited with its creation. It is alluded to here about the time line, but the concept was first performed in a comedy skit video, featuring various content, part of which was the original Harlem Shake, seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8vJiSSAMNWw

	Also see http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/harlem-shake for a more accurate sequence of events.22/04/13 5.58pm GMT
	: I think you should read the ]. '''<span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">]]]</span>''' 01:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

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	A change made by 98.119.191.92 credited the "form" and "idea" to Disiz: . I've undone the change because the only source provided was a video of Disiz performing. —] 23:57, 28 December 2013 (UTC)		A change made by 98.119.191.92 credited the "form" and "idea" to Disiz: . I've undone the change because the only source provided was a video of Disiz performing. —] 23:57, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

	The video shows Disiz dancing by himself, to his own song ''Autodance''. Toward the end, it shows a group of people doing the same dance. It's several minutes long. I found :		The video shows Disiz dancing by himself, to his own song ''Autodance''. Toward the end, it shows a group of people doing the same dance. It's several minutes long. I found :
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	... C'etait avant le Harlem Shake (rires). Contrairement au Harlem Shake, il y a un fond, il y a des paroles qui veulent dire quelque chose. }} —] 20:55, 29 December 2013 (UTC)		... C'etait avant le Harlem Shake (rires). Contrairement au Harlem Shake, il y a un fond, il y a des paroles qui veulent dire quelque chose. }} —] 20:55, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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	Unless they are completely two different things, of course. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:24, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->		Unless they are completely two different things, of course. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:24, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:They are too different things, however, I do think this should be combined with the song.		:They are too different things, however, I do think this should be combined with the song.] (]) 05:56, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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Please change the creation of the meme, the creator is Filthy Frank, the video was posted on 30th january in his channel "DizastaMusic", the video is called "FILTHY COMPILATION #6 - SMELL MY FINGERS" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeO3yCpLt0Q) and, on 2nd february Frank reuploaded the video with only the Harlem Shake part called "DO THE HARLEM SHAKE (ORIGINAL)" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJiSSAMNWw) 2.226.205.65 (talk) 15:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Not done See above section. Zappa O Mati 23:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Gallon smashing

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Disiz

A change made by 98.119.191.92 credited the "form" and "idea" to Disiz: . I've undone the change because the only source provided was a video of Disiz performing. —rybec 23:57, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

The video shows Disiz dancing by himself, to his own song Autodance. Toward the end, it shows a group of people doing the same dance. It's several minutes long. I found an interview:

Auto-Dance est une sacree trouvaille, parce que c'est un truc que tout le monde fait ! ... C'etait avant le Harlem Shake (rires). Contrairement au Harlem Shake, il y a un fond, il y a des paroles qui veulent dire quelque chose.

—rybec 20:55, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Combine with Dance

As the Harlem shake dance has little, and this has quite a bit more information, I feel that they should be combined. It will start out with the dance section, then go to the meme section.

Unless they are completely two different things, of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RealWoodCoal (talk • contribs) 13:24, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

They are too different things, however, I do think this should be combined with the song.Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 05:56, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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