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:TFD above "Your sources in fact explain why RT fulfils a propaganda function". The function has been changing, so 'fulfils' misleads. 'Why' is obvious, becasue the Russian leadership (sometimes callled Putin) has decided so. ] (]) 09:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC) :TFD above "Your sources in fact explain why RT fulfils a propaganda function". The function has been changing, so 'fulfils' misleads. 'Why' is obvious, becasue the Russian leadership (sometimes callled Putin) has decided so. ] (]) 09:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:Recent opinions presented by ] are genocidal ("Russian media chief welcomes prospect of global FAMINE" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10940035/Russian-media-chief-welcomes-prospect-global-FAMINE-sparked-Ukraine-invasion.html). ] (]) 10:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC) :Recent opinions presented by ] are genocidal ("Russian media chief welcomes prospect of global FAMINE" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10940035/Russian-media-chief-welcomes-prospect-global-FAMINE-sparked-Ukraine-invasion.html). ] (]) 10:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

== Propaganda ==

There is an edit war regarding 'propaganda'. As far as I know the goal of RT is not propaganda of Russia as a successful land (there is such a recent video), but anarchization of the West, hybrid warfare. So perhaps not propaganda, but '] (] and individual terror)? Or Political warfare only?] (]) 06:57, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
:https://www.state.gov/report-rt-and-sputniks-role-in-russias-disinformation-and-propaganda-ecosystem/ Disinformation and propaganda ] (]) 08:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
:https://newrepublic.com/article/165813/russian-propaganda-rt-america-end ] (]) 08:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
::Perhaps i dont understand how the Wiki works, but having read the whole article i found a lot of acusations. Many by people of dubious relevance - the director of some obscure series? what does he know of this? Credentials? Another: ONE blogger?
::Then, right next, lots of data disprobing those acusations. ( Amount of viewers and record views, for example )
::And lastly, i could not find any example of straight out lies or misrepresentation of news in the whole page. Just praise for showing independent views.
::So the Wiki paints the Outlet as a propaganda machine, but never shows the data. What is worse, the hard data it shows demostrates the reliability of the Outlet on those topics.
::What is going on? ] (]) 03:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
::: The ''propaganda'' descriptor is supported by ] to ], authored by 22 people, none of whom are "bloggers". "Amount of viewers and record views" are irrelevant when determining whether something is propaganda or not. ] (]) 08:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
::::Using just the first of those citations as example, its a Times article saying that a disaster documentary was made by a Russian company. With interviews and points of view of local people, not russians. Propaganda? ok i guess.
::::Go to Section GUESTS, there you have your blogger and obscure director sharing their thoughts. And not as Guests.
::::Nevertheless im not speaking of obscure sources or political labels, but the plain text of the article using the Ratings/impact section as an example. Ok, i ll show it right here. The section starts thus :
::::"The RT website (as of March 2022), maintains that "since June 2012", RT has "consistently and significantly outperforms other foreign channels including Euronews and Fox News. RT’s quarterly audience in the UK is 2.5 million viewers"
::::Next are 10 lines of multiple falsehood accusations challenging that. Then it closes with :
::::" In the UK, the Broadcasters' Audience Research Board (BARB) has included RT in the viewer data it publishes since 2012. According to their data, approximately 2.5 million Britons watched RT during the third quarter of 2012, making it the third most-watched rolling news channel in Britain, behind BBC News and Sky News (not including Sky Sports News). "
::::Followed by another 7 lines finally the veracity of the opening RT Web statement and other positive observations.
::::This " format " is repeated over the whole place. Wich of the sources do i trust? All of them are supposedly reliable, but they contradict each other.
::::Re-read the article and everyone will find these inconsistencies all over the place. ] (]) 23:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::The first of ] is:
:::::: {{cite book |last1=Langdon |first1=Kate C. |last2=Tismaneanu |first2=Vladimir |title=Putin's Totalitarian Democracy: Ideology, Myth, and Violence in the Twenty-First Century |publisher=] |isbn=978-3-030-20579-9 |pages=189–224 |date=9 July 2019 |url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/Putin_s_Totalitarian_Democracy/FG-hDwAAQBAJ |url-access=limited |via=] |access-date=21 March 2021 |language=en |chapter=Russian Foreign Policy: Freedom for Whom, to Do What? |quote=Soviet-born British journalist Peter Pomerantsev documented the typical newsroom antics in one of Russia's largest propaganda outlets, RT News (formerly known as Russia Today). When his acquaintance composed a piece that referenced the Soviet Union’s occupation of Estonia in 1945, the writer was chewed out by his boss, who maintained the belief that Russians saved Estonia. Any other descriptions of the events of 1945 were unacceptable assaults on Russia's integrity, apparently, so the boss demanded that he amend his text.}}
:::::The citation from '']'' that you are referring to is the first citation in the Misplaced Pages article, and is not one of the 16 citations for the ''propaganda'' descriptor. Additionally, your comment is conflating the number of viewers RT has with RT's purpose as a propaganda outlet; the number of viewers that RT has is irrelevant to the fact that RT is a propaganda outlet. —&nbsp;''''']'''&nbsp;<small>]</small>'' 10:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

:The term propaganda appears in the article 93 times, including footnotes. Instead of listing sources that refer to RT as a propaganda network, it would be useful to explain what they mean by this and provide their arguments.
:As I understand it, the reason it was seen as propaganda is that it provided stories and opinions that tend to be ignored in U.S. media. For example, it broadcast a debate between minor party candidates for U.S. president, which major media had chosen to ignore. Since these candidates tended to be highly critical of U.S. foreign and domestic policy, broadcasting alternative views would undermine popular support for them.
:] (]) 11:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
::That is not what the cited sources say. Part of the reason RT is a propaganda outlet is that it has a history of publishing ] (]) and ] (]). For example, {{xt|}}. Reliable sources, including some U.S. sources and major media sources, ignored those types of "stories and opinions" because reputable sources tend to avoid publishing questionable content like that.{{pb}}Your "93 times" count is highly misleading, since most of those instances of the word ''propaganda'' are in the citations. Since reliable sources provide frequent and detailed coverage on RT's status as a propaganda outlet, the article gives this aspect of RT its ]. The {{slink|RT (TV network)#Propaganda and related issues}} section does {{xt|"explain what they mean by this and provide their arguments"}}. —&nbsp;''''']'''&nbsp;<small>]</small>'' 12:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
:::I actually wrote, "including footnotes." It's not misleading to mention them, because presumably articles with titles including "propaganda" are about accusations of propaganda.
:::Here by the way is in its entirety what Sputnik wrote when they "reported" that Macron was secretly gay: "In November 2016, Macron publicly denied a persistent rumor that he's secretly gay and living a "double life."" ("Ex-French Economy Minister Macron Could Be 'US Agent' Lobbying Banks' Interests," 09:19 GMT 04.02.2017)
:::Compare this with what was reported by Bruno Rieth in ]: "Emmanuel Macron...wanted to respond to the rumors that run about his private life he is homosexual." (11/03/2016).
:::So this isn't a case of a la Goebbels claiming that he is gay but saying "nudge nudge wink wink" there are rumors and using the fact that they had been reported in reputable media as plausible deniability.
:::I don't know btw if RT carried the story.
:::] (]) 13:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
:::BTW does this appear in the published version of the paper? ] (]) 14:03, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
::::Yes, the same text appears in the published version of the article, on page 209 of issue 1 (Spring 2021) in volume 37 of the ''Boston University International Law Journal'', through ]. There is a difference between a magazine speculating on whether someone is ] (gossip) and a state-controlled propaganda outlet speculating on whether someone is secretly backed by a "very rich gay lobby" (conspiracy theory).{{pb}}Due to the volume and prominence of ] coverage on RT's role as a propaganda outlet, this Misplaced Pages article needs to cover RT's role as a propaganda outlet in depth to satisfy the ]. While some of that role is covered in the ] section, I agree that the sources that are cited in the article can be further expounded upon in the article text. Due to the ], these sources would need to remain cited in the article for such expansion to be possible, and also to adequately substantiate the article's current content.{{pb}}Almost all of the sources in the article were published before the enactment of the ] (part of the ]), so there is also new coverage of RT's propaganda role that has yet to be incorporated into the article. —&nbsp;''''']'''&nbsp;<small>]</small>'' 21:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

== Crosstalk ==

Did RT cancel Crosstalk? ] (]) 13:36, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
: Unfortunately, the powers that be decided RT cannot operate in the western sphere of influence, so RT USA was canned through sanctions therefore all programs they made have ended, including the award winning On Contact with ], a Pulitzer prize winning journalist because REASONS ] (]) 16:09, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


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'censorship'

Russia censors all its media. Russia uses the RT as a tool of his war in Ukraine (as far the only Russian war). No w we have ban of war hate propaganda 'censorship'.Xx236 (talk) 05:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

If you do not understand - ask instead to censor me.
Usage of the word 'censorship' in this context is a pro-Russian statement, a neutral word should be used. This is not a computer game, this a genocidal war, in which any military, propaganda, economic tool is being used by Russia. Russia is the invider.Xx236 (talk) 09:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Be careful with tossing the word 'genocide' around. Definitions don't change during times of international conflicts and we should beware not to let our sense of reason be overtaken by which side we may or may not pick in any conflict. Schutsheer des Vaderlands (talk) 15:36, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Anther joke 'an autonomous non-profit organization' under Putin's rules. Russia is not the UK, please do not misuse Western words descibing the authoritarian state. Xx236 (talk) 09:42, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
'after Russia's annexation of Crimea' - the referenced sourse says also about Donbas, not only about Crimea.Xx236 (talk) 09:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
TFD above "Your sources in fact explain why RT fulfils a propaganda function". The function has been changing, so 'fulfils' misleads. 'Why' is obvious, becasue the Russian leadership (sometimes callled Putin) has decided so. Xx236 (talk) 09:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Recent opinions presented by Margarita Simonyan are genocidal ("Russian media chief welcomes prospect of global FAMINE" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10940035/Russian-media-chief-welcomes-prospect-global-FAMINE-sparked-Ukraine-invasion.html). Xx236 (talk) 10:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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