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Different tribes are named as Iranian tribes with no references. Please either cite a prominent resource or remove that part. |
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Different tribes are named as Iranian tribes with no references. Please either cite a prominent resource or remove that part. |
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== Revising the section on the history of Western vs. Eastern Iranian peoples == |
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== Strongly suggest keeping a close eye on possible sabotage attempts == |
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I would suggest revising the sections on the history of Eastern and Western Iranian peoples. Firstly, the division into Eastern and Western is a linguistic one and not necessarily the best way to distinguish between different cultural groups. In fact, the section on Eastern Iranian peoples includes only Steppe-Iranian peoples who spoke languages that are categorised as Eastern but lived north or even west of the Western Iranians and are culturally very different from the Iranian peoples in the eastern part of the Iranian plateau. Moreover, Avestan is not an eastern Iranian language, but is so old that it preceded the division is west vs. east. Secondly, it is the people who lived in the eastern parts of ] who gave their name to this somewhat confusing category, but they are absent from this part of the article. Thirdly, I would suggest adding a section on the ] who actually lived in the eastern part of Greater Iran and are not yet covered in this article. ] (]) |
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== Persian was spoken in court in the Ottoman Empire? == |
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Please keep a close eye on coming changes. ] (]) 10:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:This verges on casting ]. You are supposed to not restore your edit until you build a consensus. ] (]) 12:38, 12 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Whats the source of this claim? Or is this another Persian propaganda? ] (]) 18:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::Your edit history is apparent to all, and you are sabotaging this page. |
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::The page referred to and the article itself both have sources that are supporting the change. |
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::Stop edit warring ] (]) 03:48, 14 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Let's get this straight. I have over 11,000 edits, you . I don't even have to extend your edit history. ] (]) 04:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Good for you, and yet you go around reverting edits with no sources. |
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::::Stop sabotaging ] (]) 08:26, 14 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::I am not casting aspersions, you can't do something and then when it is pointed out say "aspersions" ] (]) 03:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:Kindly read ]. What exactly is "another Persian propaganda"? |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2023 == |
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:* ''"As the Ottoman Turks learned Persian, the language and the culture it carried seeped not only into their court and imperial institutions but also into their vernacular language and culture. The appropriation of Persian, both as a second language and as a language to be steeped together with Turkish, was encouraged notably by the sultans, the ruling class, and leading members of the mystical communities."'' -- Inan, Murat Umut (2019) "Imperial Ambitions, Mystical Aspirations: Persian Learning in the Ottoman World" in Green, Nile (ed.). The Persianate World: The Frontiers of a Eurasian Lingua Franca. University of California Press. pp. 88–89. |
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:* "''Persian served as a ‘minority’ prestige language of culture at the largely Turcophone Ottoman court."'' -- Baki Tezcan. (2012). "Ottoman Historical Writing" in José Rabasa (ed). '' The Oxford History of Historical Writing: Volume 3: 1400-1800 The Oxford History of Historical Writing: Volume 3: 1400-1800 ''. pp. 192–211 |
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: - ] (]) 00:39, 4 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:I dont know man, what are those Persian poems doing on topkapi Palace? |
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:Probably some more Persian propaganda ] (]) 09:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 September 2024 == |
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{{Edit extended-protected|Iranian peoples|answered=yes}} |
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Please remove extraneous link for "Iran" in this hatnote per ]. ] (]) 14:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Fix citation 2 and add citation to total population. ] (]) 02:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 12:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> 21:57, 18 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 September 2023 == |
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{{edit extended-protected|Iranian peoples|answered=yes}} |
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Change "Modern Iranian peoples include the Baloch, the Gilaks, the Kurds, the Lurs, the Mazanderanis, the Ossetians, the Pamiris, the Pashtuns, the Persians, the Tats, the Tajiks, the Talysh, the Wakhis, the Yaghnobis, and the Zazas" to include Hazaras. Change it to say "Modern Iranian peoples include the Baloch, the Gilaks, the Kurds, the Lurs, the Mazanderanis, the Ossetians, the Pamiris, the Pashtuns, the Persians, the Tats, the Tajiks, the Hazaras, the Talysh, the Wakhis, the Yaghnobis, and the Zazas." Hazaras are an iranic people, we speak an Iranic language (Farsi/Dari), same as the Tajiks of Afghanistan. We are descendants of Tajiks who mixed with Changis Khan and his Mongol army. Don't exclude us from Iranic people please, we are Iranic. You can place the word "Hazaras" anywhere on the list of Iranic peoples, I just put it next to Tajik because they are our ancestors/brothers. ] (]) 19:49, 4 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|26378J}} {{Done}} ] (]) 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::I'm sorry, i reverted you edit because it was unsourced, if {{u|26378J}} wants to include this ethnic group in the Iranian peoples, the ] is on them to provide ] for that.<b><span style="color:orange">---Wikaviani </span></b><sup><small><b>] ]</b></small></sup> 21:19, 4 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::: It was no more unsourced than the other entries in the list, which for some reason you didn't remove. Anyway, I've now added links to two sources (which were already cited in the article). ] (]) 09:00, 5 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::{{ping|JBW}} I have no access to the other source (number 14), but the Iranica entry does not support what you added to the lede, namely, the Hazaras being an Iranian people (it only says that they speak Persian). As a response to your edit summary, please correct if i'm missing something, but while a content from the lead generally does not require sourcing, it must be sourced and dealt with in the body of the article, which is not the case here, as i said just above, at least with Iranica. The other groups are well-known Iranian peoples, why should i remove them from the lead ?<b><span style="color:orange">---Wikaviani </span></b><sup><small><b>] ]</b></small></sup> 22:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::: I have got far better things to do than enter into arguments about whether there is some "true" meaning of belonging to an ethnic group, beyond language, country of residence, self-identificatuon, etc, so I have reverted my edit. You may do what you will. ] (]) 08:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::Thanks, i did not mean to try your patience or something, just came here to clarify my revert. Best.<b><span style="color:orange">---Wikaviani </span></b><sup><small><b>] ]</b></small></sup> 20:56, 7 September 2023 (UTC) |
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Different tribes are named as Iranian tribes with no references. Please either cite a prominent resource or remove that part.
I would suggest revising the sections on the history of Eastern and Western Iranian peoples. Firstly, the division into Eastern and Western is a linguistic one and not necessarily the best way to distinguish between different cultural groups. In fact, the section on Eastern Iranian peoples includes only Steppe-Iranian peoples who spoke languages that are categorised as Eastern but lived north or even west of the Western Iranians and are culturally very different from the Iranian peoples in the eastern part of the Iranian plateau. Moreover, Avestan is not an eastern Iranian language, but is so old that it preceded the division is west vs. east. Secondly, it is the people who lived in the eastern parts of Greater Iran who gave their name to this somewhat confusing category, but they are absent from this part of the article. Thirdly, I would suggest adding a section on the Avestan people who actually lived in the eastern part of Greater Iran and are not yet covered in this article. Kjansen86 (talk)