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== Nationality == |
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It appears he holds sole Japanese citizenship, though he is based in Taiwan. I have updated the lead sentence accordingly. Though nationality wording tends to be on a case-by-case basis, there are notable examples like ] and ] where it was agreed upon that they should be called "British" because that is the sole citizenship they hold. |
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==Deleted Wiki Projects Taiwan, China, and Japan== |
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He has nothing to do with wiki projects, he is just a mixed ethnicity East Asian actor. |
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] (]) 01:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC) |
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==Takeshi's fansite == |
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http://www.takeshi-kaneshiro.com/ |
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Takeshi's fansite says his father is the one who is half Han 'Chinese' and half Ryukian Japanese, and that he is actually 3/4 Han and 1/4 Japanese. Can anyone else confirm this? Also it has various movie info regarding current productions. |
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] (]) 08:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC) |
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As of now, article sounds like fanzine. Rewrite please! ] 20:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC) |
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Um, information from the movie 'Sepet' seems to have mistakenly been merged with this page! |
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==Ethnicity and American/British== |
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Ethnicity can be--and often is--based solely on culture, not genetics or ancestry. So whether this guy is Chinese or Taiwanese depends on whether you believe Taiwan has a distinct culture from the PRC. As for Americans and Britons, those two are two separate cultures and ethnicities, though they are definitely related to each other. ] 11:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:The Taiwanese culture is a subset of Chinese culture -- Chinese as a race and culture, not necessarily the nationality. Taiwanese are Han Chinese -- most of them are not even mixed with any other race. (i.e., contemporary Americans who are usually mixtures of different White ethnicities.) Taiwanese speak, read and write Chinese languages (Mandarin and Fujian/"Taiwanese"). Taiwanese celebrate Chinese festivals. Taiwanese follow Chinese customs. Taiwanese worship Chinese gods and deities. Taiwanese teach early Chinese history as their own. Taiwanese teach Chinese culture, traditions and behavioral codes including Confucianism. Taiwanese are Chinese as much as Cantonese are Chinese and Fujians are Chinese. ] 16 April 2007 |
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::In fact, in many ways Taiwanese are MORE Chinese than mainlanders, who have lost much of their Chinese root and heritage during the Cultural Revolution when old Chinese traditions came under attack, while Chinese traditions have survived intact in Taiwan. Taiwanese have retained all traditional Chinese customs and heritage, while mainlanders are, well, communists who have rebelled against, forsaken and lost much of their Chinese root during the crazy 1960s. ] 16 April 2007 |
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:::If there is a term "Taiwanese", then we just use it. That's all. No need to emphasize Chinese ancestry unless he himself have shown anything, like family tree or his roots, etc. This article is not about history and ethnitity. He was born in Taiwan, has Japanese and Taiwanese parernts, and holds Japanese citizentship. No more than and no less than that. We should write an article with exact references. No need to guess. --] (]) |
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== Tekken needs to be removed == |
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There was a rumor that he was going to start in the Tekken movie but this quote from the Tekken movie page disprooves it. |
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Talks of actors such as Takeshi Kaneshiro and Vicki Zhao appearing in the film are untrue as confirmed by Mr Rodney Cajudo of Crystal Sky Productions |
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'''Don't forget to sign guys (use four ~ symbols or the signature button)'''. I changed the link to School Days to School Days (film) because it pointed to an unrelated video game. We're probably going to need a disambiguation page. --] 11:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC) |
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== racial issue == |
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Kaneshiro is a mixed Japanese-Taiwanese person. Some people might agree that he can be included as a Chinese person due to his ethnic background (most Japanese and Taiwanese orginiated from China); however, this is a violation of NPOV since it is such a delicate, controversial issue on wikipedia, it is safe to leave him out of the Chinese category.--] 06:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:: Japanese people did not originate from China. |
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: There is no such ethnicity as "Taiwanese". As far as I know, Takeshi Kaneshiro's heritage (non-Japanese part thereof) is ] and not ]. Unless you can show some evidence that he is Taiwanese Aboriginal, or that "Taiwanese" is an ethnicity rather than a residency status? --] (]) 07:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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*First off, I need to say I resent your post on my talkpage falsely accusing me as a POV editor. I'm trying to bring NPOV to POV articles. I don't think that the English language Misplaced Pages should know or care about these distintions, especially if they cannot be expressed in English. All the Ethnic Group list articles are meant to simply list people who (themselves or their ancestors) immigrated from a particular country. This so-called Chinese is, or should be, those people who came from China (mainland); the existing 'list of Taiwanese Americans' article are those people who came from Taiwan. No politics here. No culture here. No self-reference questions of the people involved--who knows what is in their minds. Using the rough term Han Chinese as an excuse to classify Taiwanese as Chinese is unjust to the Taiwanese population. Just geographic facts. |
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Anything else should be removed as not NPOV. Thanks --] 07:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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: You seem to have a mistaken understanding of the word "ethnicity". Please consult a dictionary. --] (]) 07:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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Are you trying to make personal attack? I wouldn't be editing here if I'm illiterate. Base on human history, all Asians and natives Americans are from the same ethnicity. Ethnics is very vague. Plus we're not even talking about ethnicity here, we're talking about nationality.--] 07:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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: I do not believe that you are illiterate. I just think that you have a mistaken understanding of certain words, such as "Chinese", "ethnicity", "race", "nationality", "geography", "Taiwanese". Seriously, have you even looked at the ] page? Just start with the ] page. And the ] page while you are at it. --] (]) 07:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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Well apparently the categories may refer to nationality instead of ethnic backgrounds. Plus if you really are that concern about ethnicity than I guess a lot of American celebrities are missing the British ethnicity.--] 07:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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: They can refer to nationality ''as well as'' ethnic backgrounds. Look, British vs American is a totally different issue to Chinese vs Taiwanese. If you look at the ] page you will see that a significant portion of people in Taiwan regard "Taiwanese" as a subset of "Chinese". (How many Americans would think that "American" is a subset of "British"?) It's not up to you or I to say which way people should identify themselves. |
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: Given that Takeshi Kaneshiro is ], and, indeed, ], his ethnicity is well described by being "Chinese". However, if you can show a source that says he thinks he's not, I will accept the deletion. |
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: Omitting the "Chinese" category is ''not'' NPOV - it's POV because it is omitting a significant point of view. --] (]) 09:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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At the end of the day, I think it boils down to whether the category uses the word "Chinese" in the ethnic sense or the nationality sense. It says "Mixed part-Chinese, part-Japanese people", and since mixing ethnicities as opposed to mixing nationalities makes more sense, I'd say that he falls under this category. However, it's not a hard and fast rule. Note ], where it makes no sense to talk of "Australian" as an ethnicity. ] (]) 10:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC) |
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: By the way, please note I have put ] up for ], because ] is an ambiguous term. Since you all seem to have thought about this issue at least somewhat, your input would be appreciated. Thanks! ] 17:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:: Whoops, I didn't see it, but I would have supported it. ] (]) 10:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC) |
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The Republic of China (Taiwan) government itself has a census that says 97% of people in Taiwan are Han Chinese. |
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] 13:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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By the way Bonafide, look into the terms 1. race 2. ethnicity 3. nationality and 4. heritage |
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Those are completely different. Takeshi Kaneshiro is |
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1. race: Mongoloid |
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2. ethnicity: Han-Chinese/Ryukian-Japanese |
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3. nationality: Taiwanese |
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4. heritage: Taiwanese, Chinese, and Japanese |
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] 08:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC) |
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ryukans are mostly chinese descendants anyway, and are discriminated against in central japan. this means kaneshiro is probably 100% chinese. he used the japanese thing as a gimick because he is ashamed of being chinese and or thinks that being japanese is cool. |
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:You're totally wrong. Ryukians are mixed, and have had a strong Japanese influence since they conquered it about 600-800 years ago. Japanese influence in the Ryukians would eventually surpass Chinese influence in the 18th century. No, he is not ashamed of being either Han-'Chinese' or Japanese. Kaneshiro makes most of his movies in Hong Kong, and has recorded music albums in Mandrian, Ming Na, and Cantonese, so your statement about him being ashamed of being Han is totally wrong. Don't be a nationalistic retard. ] (]) 01:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC) |
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:Agree. We don't need to guess his roots. Okinawa is Japan now and his parents are Japanese and Taiwaense. These are fact. His blood is Japanese and Taiwanese. We need to write an article at present POV with citations or references. This is not a histric article. --] (]) 09:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC) |
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Please do not put unverified information in the bio. His mother's exact ethnicity beyond Taiwanese is unknown and the An An article only states that Kaneshiro is 1/4 Okinawan, not that his father is mixed Japanese-Chinese. He is a Japanese citizen, not Taiwanese.] (]) 06:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC) |
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== Edit warring == |
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I think all editors involved in the current edit war need to stop and as such, the page is now protected. Edit warring does not get you anywhere. I suggest that we conduct a straw poll on the follow: does this guy belong in that category? Note to Bonafide.hustla: your reversion of the link to ] is not even disputable because as a matter of policy, we change links to redirects and disambig pages to their proper destinations. ] (]) 10:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC) |
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First I didn't change the redirect intentionally. I simply reverted to my previous version for convenient purposes. Sorry about that. --] 00:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC) |
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: . ] (]) 10:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC) |
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== Anything else? == |
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Maybe you guys should set aside the race/nationality issue for now and focus on making Takeshi's article more of an article. It's pretty minimal now. I'm actually kind of shocked as to how small this article is, and how particular you editors are getting over this one issue when there's so much more to work on. I would like to try and help make this better if I could, but the page is protected because of this one issue, so nothing can be done to improve it. -- ] 06:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC) |
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: I've unprotected now, but it will go back on protection if any of that nonsense starts up again. ] (]) 08:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
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Furthermore, AFAIK, Japan has strict laws against holding dual citizenship, and he's said that he's Japanese. ] (]) 12:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Enoculau, your protection to this page as well as Senanku Island suggested you're obviously not neutral in this content dispute. One thing that really cocnerned me was that you reverted to the version you preferred before protecting the page. Sumple, please stop making PA attack on edit summary, it implies bad faith to the project.--] 08:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC) |
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== WP:CHINA? == |
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== citizenship == |
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He also holds a Taiwanese citizenship. He is half Japanese and half Taiwanese ] (]) 05:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Why is this article part of the Chinese WikiProject?--] 16:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC) |
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:He resides in Taiwan but doesn't hold Taiwanese citizenship. That's why he did not qualify for the "Taiwan Outstanding Filmmaker of the Year" at the Golden Horse Awards in 2008. , another ] ] (]) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:It shouldn't be.] (]) 05:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:No need. --] (]) 09:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC) |
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It appears he holds sole Japanese citizenship, though he is based in Taiwan. I have updated the lead sentence accordingly. Though nationality wording tends to be on a case-by-case basis, there are notable examples like Alia Bhatt and Katrina Kaif where it was agreed upon that they should be called "British" because that is the sole citizenship they hold.
