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	== Hugo Rules? ==
	Is ] interested in a discussion of ] rules or does he dispute that ] is an authority on them, especially in the Semiprozine category? Does he claim any knowledge in ths subject area? My impression from ]'s talk page is that he claims no special knowledge in this subject matter and further is unfamiliar with the source cited.

	Does he dispute Locus's claim that ] has been nominted for the Hugo 41 times? I suspect not.

	Why then the revert? --] 01:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC) aka ]

	::I do not object that Locus is an authority. I object that the link is being misquoted. LOCUS was nominated for the hugo. Not Charles N. Brown. ] ] ] 01:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
	:::I should further note that one does not need to be a subject matter expert to edit anything on Misplaced Pages, the '''encyclopedia anyone can edit'''. ] ] ] 01:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

	The quote you delete is from Locus citing Charles N. Brown as having 41 Hugo nominations. Do you have any idea what for? (Semiprozine.) Certainly anyone can edit, but you are an admin and so you aren't just anyone, and you are interning for WM . . .

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	Locus, as cited, gives credit to ''individuals'' listed on the ballot. Do you have another source? --] 02:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

			The new online version of the ] has an indepth entry on me. --] (]) 16:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC) aka ]
	::My admin status does not entitle me to special privileges. I'm operating as an editor here. Nothing more. ] ] ] 02:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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	SEMIPROZINE
	# Ansible, David Langford, ed.
	# Interzone, David Pringle & Andy Cox, eds.
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	# The New York Review of Science Fiction, Kathryn Cramer, David G. Hartwell & Kevin J. Maroney, eds.
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	It nominates the SEMIPROZINE NAME, and then the editor's name. Not the editor. This is clear and unambiguous. You were not nominated, your magazine was. Misplaced Pages is not a tool for your advertisement. ] ] ] 02:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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	Has Charlie Brown ever won a Hugo, or not? (You are walking over the precipice of much hilarity if you answer NOT.) --] 02:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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	::I don't care whether Charles N. Brown has ever won a Hugo. He's never won one for SEMIPROZINE, but Locus has, several times over. You know why? Because he is a person. Not a magazine. Common sense would dictate that. The magazine that he edits has won, just as yours has been nominated (and not won).] ] ] 02:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 05:12, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
	I rest my case. shakes head --] 02:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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	::Please stop the attempts to gain advertisement for yourself, and the strawman arguments.. It's clear that Hugo semiprozine awards are given to the zine, not to the editor. An editor is not a zine. It says so on Locus' website as I quoted above, it says so on it says it on ], it says so on , and in the written rules , it does not mention at all that the editor is given the award: it lists the criteria for the 'zine. This is ridiculous, common sense tells you that a person cannot be a magazine. Kathryn Cramer, you have a direct conflict of interest in this.] ] ] 02:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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	It is not clear. So novelists never win awards, only their novels? --] 03:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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	::Depends on the award. Novelists certainly win "best writer". But they do not win "Best new novel". But once again, this is what's called a ] fallacy. This is a Hugo award, not a novel. ] ] ] 03:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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	I suppose I should be deighted to learn that I am not a serial Hugo loser and that Charlie Brown hasn't beat the pants off of us for many years running. But I should confess that this is really a first: No one has ever told me before that I wasn't a Hugo nominee. I'll tell the committee, since they are under the mistaken impression I'm nominated and need to appoint someone to accept in case I win. We've appointed ], who is going to the ceremony in Yokohama, and whom we had previously asked to accept on our behalf. --] 03:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 06:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
	::Sarcasm is unbecoming. You are not nominated for it. Your magazine is. No matter how much you attempt to obfuscate it with ] arguments, that is the case. You are not a ], and physically cannot be, otherwise you would not be typing here. You are a ]. The difference is 100% clear. The Hugo award rules state it. The above cited sites state it. You have a conflict of interest, and the advertising needs to stop.] ] ] 04:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

			== External links modified (January 2018) ==
	Denny: What exactly is your interpretation of Hugo rules supposed to inspire in me? What you seem to be looking for is a Catholic style confession that I have been simply misrepreensting my several decades long understanding of rules you have only just encountered. However, I am entirely serious: no one except you has ever represented to me that the magazine and NOT the editors listed on the ballot is the nominee. No one. Ever. There is a reason that people's names are listed on the ballot. They are not ornamental. Why are you pushing this point with out external references? It would seem to me that this would violate WP rules of civility. --] 04:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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	::As you know from reading my user page, which you have made extensive reference to elsewhere, my name is not Denny, it's Dan. As a SF writer, I'm sure you are aware of William Shatner's role as ]. I'll pass it off as a momentary lapse in judgment. As for external references, do you have any that state the hugo award for semiprozine is awarded to a person? Any reliable sources? If you can find a reliable source that says "Awards for a written publication are awarded to the editor, not to the publication itself", that would satisfy this. But such a source does not exist, and it would be incumbent on you to find that. Verifiable, reliable sources, that are ACCURATELY representations. Your link to the Hugo site qualified as verifiable and accurate, the statement made was not an accurate representation of the material on that link.] ] ] 05:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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	Swat, you are pouring vitriol into this discussion in an unseemly manner. Technically, your statement is correct: as you say, the nominations and awards are given to the magazines; but the custom in the field is to discuss the awards in terms of the editors. Thus, '']'' (along with '']'', the ''de facto'' publication of record for the field), talks of wins and losses for Charles Brown rather than for the zine itself. This is not a matter of advertisement and self-aggrandizement, it is a matter of ordinary usage in the field. (By the way, presuming an intimate familiarity with every morsel of Star Trek trivia is a none-too-subtle insult to a writer and editor of actual text science fiction.) --] 13:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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	Dan, I apologize for calling you Denny, but I honestly though you'd had the good sense to append your real name to your user name. --] 13:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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