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	Any intentional killing of civilians is considered a war crime. I do not understand why we need to be obtuse by including "may constitue." The only thing we can say is they "may" be innocent. However, if they are found guilty of ''willfully killing civilians'', by definition they are guilty of war crimes.]<font color="green"> ]</font><sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 10:58, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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	:Nescio, I am as keen not to exonerate war criminals as you are. If they did what's alleged and there are no extenuating circumstances (and no, I can't think of anything myself) then yes, a war crime has occurred. However, I think it's very important that we not display any bias in such a sensitive situation, and not pre-judge any court cases which might result. That said, I'll let your reversion stand, although I suspect others might feel the need to change it.  ] 11:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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	::I am not sure what you object to. The article does not claim they are guilty of killing civilians. But should they be, and '''after''' it has been established the killings were '''intentional''' and '''without any mitigating circumstances''' they are war crimes. To introduce double uncertainty, '''1''' they may have killed, and '''2''' that might be a war crime, we are introducing unwarranted doubt and unreasonable bias.]<font color="green"> ]</font><sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 11:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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	:::''I am not sure what you object to.'' Call it pre-emptive conservatism; I expect this article will be crawling with apologists shortly, and we need to be seen to be doing the right thing, as well as ''actually'' doing it. However, I think your latest change is great, and eliminates the problem.  ] 11:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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			Should the word "anonymous" in "The investigation found evidence that "supports accusations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot civilians", according to an ] Pentagon official," be linked? I think the readers know what anonymous means, we don't ] to ] the ] with ].

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			:I assume the author was trying to make sure it was understood that this was the journalistic version of "anonymous", but I agree that it is ''probably'' unnecessary to wiki-link it here. People most likely understand what is meant. ] (]) 15:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

			== Claim of suicide without citation ==

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			- <nowiki>https://web.archive.org/web/20150923210837/http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/07/19/38286.htm</nowiki> a record of the court dismissal mentioned in the first sentence above

			- <nowiki>https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10110591811606638&set=a.10101634311289078</nowiki> a Facebook obituary post from Sharratt's sister that can be argued has a vague implication of suicide

			- <nowiki>https://www.greenleefuneralhome.com/obituary/justin-sharratt</nowiki> the official obituary posted by the funeral home (which can also be found in the local paper https://www.observer-reporter.com/obituaries/2022/aug/10/justin-louis-sharratt/)


			Based on the FB post, one could make the case it is reasonable to assume Sharratt took his own life, but is that enough to justify the definitive statement "killed himself" used in the quoted line above? I mostly ask as a clarification of Misplaced Pages's standards on details like specifying the manner of death of a real person. ] (]) 15:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

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Possibly unnecessary link

Should the word "anonymous" in "The investigation found evidence that "supports accusations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot civilians", according to an anonymous Pentagon official," be linked? I think the readers know what anonymous means, we don't want to clutter the page with links.

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I assume the author was trying to make sure it was understood that this was the journalistic version of "anonymous", but I agree that it is probably unnecessary to wiki-link it here. People most likely understand what is meant. Foilnewt (talk) 15:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Claim of suicide without citation

The lines "In 2011, Sharratt's lawsuit was dismissed by the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals. Sharratt killed himself at his home in Pennsylvania on August 3, 2022. He was 37." include 3 citations:

- https://web.archive.org/web/20150923210837/http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/07/19/38286.htm a record of the court dismissal mentioned in the first sentence above

- https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10110591811606638&set=a.10101634311289078 a Facebook obituary post from Sharratt's sister that can be argued has a vague implication of suicide

- https://www.greenleefuneralhome.com/obituary/justin-sharratt the official obituary posted by the funeral home (which can also be found in the local paper https://www.observer-reporter.com/obituaries/2022/aug/10/justin-louis-sharratt/)

Based on the FB post, one could make the case it is reasonable to assume Sharratt took his own life, but is that enough to justify the definitive statement "killed himself" used in the quoted line above? I mostly ask as a clarification of Misplaced Pages's standards on details like specifying the manner of death of a real person. Foilnewt (talk) 15:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

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