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	=="The only European cave-dwelling chordate" ?==		=="The only European cave-dwelling chordate" ?==
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	:::::Other than this bare fact, I don't know what more can be said about the issue, so I'm not sure where can we put it without it looking out of place. — ] <sup>]</sup> 20:28, 15 March 2012 (UTC)		:::::Other than this bare fact, I don't know what more can be said about the issue, so I'm not sure where can we put it without it looking out of place. — ] <sup>]</sup> 20:28, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

		⚫	== Copyright/plagarism issue that needs to be corrected immediately ==
	==Serbian==
	Is correct? - ] 12:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
	* Orthography is questionable. The correct spelling might be "човечија" or "човечја" - or both. http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-ec/%D0%A7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%87%D1%98%D0%B0_%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

		⚫	I nocticed that "Sensory organs" and its subsections are copied almost word for word from . Someone needs to re-paraphrased this. ] (]) 01:55, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
	== The name "olm". ==

		⚫	:The AmphibiaWeb's author, Boris Bulog, is ] who contributed this section of the article, so there's no copyvio. — ] <sup>]</sup> 07:25, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
	I think the name "olm" should be explained. What is its etymology? The article discusses other names for it but I couldn't find anything on the name "olm". If anyone knows, please include it in the article. ] 12:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
		⚫	::Jerry is correct. Unless the source is under a free license (which it's not), then this is a copyright violation–it doesn't matter if the author is the same. ] (]) 07:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

		⚫	:::AmphibiaWeb is not the source, but a separate publication of the same content from the same author that he chose to license differently. I understand if it seems suspicious to people not familiar with the issue, so I can ask him to provide an OTRS grant. — ] <sup>]</sup> 07:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
	: I haven't found anything on the etymology so far, but it might have something to do with the mythological figure of the feathered/plumed serpent in ]. That wouldn't have been the first time that olm's gills were mistaken for wings (see ]. --] 13:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

		⚫	::::Please do so. ] (]) 19:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
	::Cheers! It seems a bit far-fetched, I have to say, though I can't offer a better explanation. Keep looking and I'll see what I can dig up too! ] 07:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

	::: ~~BTW, I didn't mean~~ to ~~imply that~~ the ~~Olmec themselves gave this name~~ to ~~Proteus~~ ~~(that~~ ~~would~~ ~~indeed~~ ~~have been far~~-~~fetched,~~ as it ~~doesn't~~ ~~live on that side of~~ the ~~ocean), only maybe some zoologist~~ that ~~got~~ ~~the~~ ~~association~~. --] 13:15, 7 ~~September~~ ~~2007~~ (UTC)		:::::He agreed to send the mail to permissions-en; I'll post the {{tl\|OTRS-pending}} template when I get the word that he did it. — ] <sup>]</sup> 13:33, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

			::::::{{done}} ] -- ] (]) 10:38, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
	::::Ha, ha, no, I got that too! What I meant was, it's odd to think that the name of this animal should have come from a culture on another continent that had nothing to do with it. But as you say, someone may have made that connection. Still, it would be nice to know for sure...] 06:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

	== ~~pigmentation~~ ~~consistency~~ ==		== FAR Notice ==

			I'm planning on taking this nomination to FAR but before I do that I want to mention the issues I see on the talk page. The only issues I see on it are the citation needed tags on the different sections on the page. As such it currently fail 1.c of the criteria for Featured Articles. ] 02:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
	Para. 2: "The olm's eyes have atrophied, leaving it blind, while its other senses, particularly those of smell and hearing, are acute. '''It also has no skin pigmentation'''."

			:Please wait until next week before doing that. Most of the CNs concern really minor details (which is why they've been ignored) and I'll fix the issues by then. — ] <sup>]</sup> 07:42, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
	Para. 3: "Its body is covered by a thin layer of '''skin, which contains very little of the pigment riboflavin''', making it yellowish-white or pink in color."

			== Is the Olm native to Bosnia? ==
	Which is it? ] ] 15:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

			The article seems a little unclear as to whether the Olm is native to ]. Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to make that somewhat clearer? ] (]) 19:18, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
	== Whatdoe sit eat? ==
			:How is it unclear? The lead says it in the most straightforward manner and there is a file showing the range. ] (]) 19:30, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
			::Here's Devon Karst Soc. project page for Bosnian --]] 05:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

			== ] ==
	Lol I couldn't find the answer. It looks like a endoparasite but I haven't heard of any such amphibians. So what is it? Carnivore, herbivore...] 20:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
	:To quote from the article itself, "It is a predatory animal, feeding on small crabs, snails and occasionally insects." ''''']]''''' <small>]</small> 20:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

			I am reviewing this (old or very old) FA as part of ], an effort to determine whether old ] still meet the ]. There is considerable uncited and unattributed text in the article, so I am listing it at ]. ] (]) 13:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

			== "]" listed at ] ==
	:: Thanks. ] 20:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
			]

			The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink\|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 10#Proteus bavaricus}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> ] (]) 12:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
	== Larval characteristics ==

	"This is possibly because of, or perhaps the reason for, their retention of ]l characteristics (like external ]s) into adulthood." I removed this sentence because there is no reference, but left the information abut its external gills in. "Even breeding" underwater is that unusual in an amphibian? I replaced "atrophied" with "underdeveloped" or "undeveloped" because "atrophy" is used to describe the destruction of an organ by disease, not a vestigial organ. It is used like that sometimes, but it is better like this. The karst links to an article called Karst topography. It is an area of karst topography, but the animals live where the rainfall over the ages has created caves, fissures and similar areas underground. (] (]) 03:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC))

	== Croatian and serbian name ==

	I don't see the need for the serbian and croatian names to be stated, since the species is, as far as I know, endemic to Slovenia. The names are simply translations and by this logic we could pop a translation in every language into the article. ] (]) 14:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

	:The species's habitat area extends from ] to ]. Read the article. --] <sup>]</sup> 10:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

	== Some small changes proposed ==

	I would like to propose some small changes:

	Introduction, 2nd paragraph:
	“''...like the American amphibians, the axolotl and the mud puppy.''”
	I propose to change this into “''...like the American amphibians axolotl and mud puppy.''” since the present formulation can be understood as axolotl and mud puppy being the only American amphibians.

	Anatomy: Mechano- and electroreceptors, 1st paragraph:
	“''(Bulog, personal observ.)''”
	I think this needs some reference?

	Ecology and life history, 2nd paragraph:
	“''The tadpoles are 2 centimetres...''”
	I think the term ‘tadpoles’ is normally only used for the very different young specimens of frogs and toads? I suggest using the word ‘larvae’ here, even if this means using this word several times in only a few sentences.

	I also second the (quite old) above sections:

	1) "Did anyone else notice this?"
	Obviously, the display isn’t visual. But what kind of display do they use then? Do they make sounds, do they circle around each other, something else?

	2) "pigmentation consistency"
	After some years, this inconsistency is still there. I don’t have the books, so I don’t know what to keep and what to change.

	] (]) 00:16, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

	Tadpole is accepted for any amphibian. For the 'display' stuff, I think it is a matter of territorial battles rather than strictly a display, with the territory controlled by one contributing to mating success, or perhaps some pheromone stuff? Display is probably not the ideal word, but is generally what is used for any sort of ritual mating stuff. As far as the pigment stuff, I'm pretty sure it just has low levels of pigment, don't have any sources on that though :P ] (]) 18:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

⚫	== Copyright/plagarism issue that needs to be corrected immediately ==

⚫	I nocticed that "Sensory organs" and its subsections are copied almost word for word from . Someone needs to re-paraphrased this. ] (]) 01:55, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

⚫	:The AmphibiaWeb's author, Boris Bulog, is ] who contributed this section of the article, so there's no copyvio. — ] <sup>]</sup> 07:25, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
⚫	::Jerry is correct. Unless the source is under a free license (which it's not), then this is a copyright violation–it doesn't matter if the author is the same. ] (]) 07:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

⚫	:::AmphibiaWeb is not the source, but a separate publication of the same content from the same author that he chose to license differently. I understand if it seems suspicious to people not familiar with the issue, so I can ask him to provide an OTRS grant. — ] <sup>]</sup> 07:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

⚫	::::Please do so. ] (]) 19:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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"The only European cave-dwelling chordate" ?

Chordata is the phylum that includes all mammals, amphibians, reptiles, etc. It's very hard to believe that there are no European cave bats, cave bears, etc.

I think that the author responsible for that statement means "the only European cave-dwelling caudate" - the order of salamanders and such. Anybody know what's right here? Peter Delmonte 04:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I second that. Fish are chordates also and there are plenty of cave-dwelling fish. Eregli bob 04:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The statement "the only European cave-dwelling chordate" is correct, if you take "cave-dwelling" to mean "troglobite" (as the link also suggests). Cave bats, cave bears and cave fish are all fine, but they aren't troglobites, since they don't live their entire lives underground. Troglophiles or trogloxenes yes, troglobites, no. This page provides some definitions. And no, there's no troglobite fish in Europe. I reverted the statement accordingly. --Yerpo 12:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice if someone came up with a citation for this - there's no other mention of it in the article, so it's unreferenced. Allens (talk | contribs) 16:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I can't remember the original reference. Is AmphibiaWeb considered reliable enough? It says "Proteus is the only cave-adapted vertebrate in Europe" under Comments, which is only slightly more specific. — Yerpo 18:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I would think AmphibiaWeb would be considered sufficiently reliable. (Of course, said page also notes that it's possible it actually is multiple species... it'd be greatly preferable for someone to write a review article including that, of course!) At this point, what is needed is the placement of the info (regarding vertebrates) somewhere in the article other than the lead, with the citation. Allens (talk | contribs) 20:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Other than this bare fact, I don't know what more can be said about the issue, so I'm not sure where can we put it without it looking out of place. — Yerpo 20:28, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Copyright/plagarism issue that needs to be corrected immediately

I nocticed that "Sensory organs" and its subsections are copied almost word for word from AmphibiaWeb. Someone needs to re-paraphrased this. LittleJerry (talk) 01:55, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The AmphibiaWeb's author, Boris Bulog, is User:BORIS BL who contributed this section of the article, so there's no copyvio. — Yerpo 07:25, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Jerry is correct. Unless the source is under a free license (which it's not), then this is a copyright violation–it doesn't matter if the author is the same. Sasata (talk) 07:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

AmphibiaWeb is not the source, but a separate publication of the same content from the same author that he chose to license differently. I understand if it seems suspicious to people not familiar with the issue, so I can ask him to provide an OTRS grant. — Yerpo 07:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Please do so. LittleJerry (talk) 19:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

He agreed to send the mail to permissions-en; I'll post the {{OTRS-pending}} template when I get the word that he did it. — Yerpo 13:33, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Done ticket:2013010410008182 -- KTC (talk) 10:38, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

FAR Notice

I'm planning on taking this nomination to FAR but before I do that I want to mention the issues I see on the talk page. The only issues I see on it are the citation needed tags on the different sections on the page. As such it currently fail 1.c of the criteria for Featured Articles. GamerPro64 02:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Please wait until next week before doing that. Most of the CNs concern really minor details (which is why they've been ignored) and I'll fix the issues by then. — Yerpo 07:42, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Is the Olm native to Bosnia?

The article seems a little unclear as to whether the Olm is native to Bosnia and Herzegovina. Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to make that somewhat clearer? Maximajorian Viridio (talk) 19:18, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

How is it unclear? The lead says it in the most straightforward manner and there is a file showing the range. Surtsicna (talk) 19:30, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Here's Devon Karst Soc. project page for Bosnian "Proteus Project"--౪ Santa ౪ 05:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

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I am reviewing this (old or very old) FA as part of WP:URFA/2020, an effort to determine whether old featured articles still meet the featured article criteria. There is considerable uncited and unattributed text in the article, so I am listing it at WP:FARGIVEN. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

"Proteus bavaricus" listed at Redirects for discussion

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