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July 10 last year you deleted this image with the summary it had the same name on the commons. The link is now broken with no trace of any such image on the commons. Where did it go? - Mgm| 12:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

It was deleted by me simply as a matter of housekeeping, as it was a duplicate. However, looking at the Commons logs, it looks like the image was deleted recently as a copyright violation: . Dmcdevit·t 04:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Why did you block me?

I want to know why my IP address was blocked. I do have an account, I just don't feel like logging in everytime I want to correct a minor misspelling (I occasionally use my account, I just prefer anonymous editing, is that wrong?). How did I abuse my IP address? I never vandalized any articles and I think it's unfair that I get blocked without any explanation. Let's see if we can work something out. I can understand you'd want to keep trouble makers out of Misplaced Pages (trust me, I hate them too), but I assure you I am not one of them. Hurricane Andrew 14:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I am asking you why my IP address has been blocked, I haven't done anything wrong. I am posting it here: 66.217.38.111 Please respond, I don't want my questions ignored. Thank you. Hurricane Andrew 21:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I haven't been ignoring you. In the future please put your messages at the bottom of talk pages, so people you are trying to talk to notice it. :)

As for the block, you are on a dynamic IP range, which means that you share it with many other users, whose IPs change periodically, along with yours. That means that blocking a specific vandal is harder, and we sometimes have to make range blocks. This is why we have anonymous-only blocks, so that legitimate users like you affected by the block can simply log in and edit. I did not block you personally, it is simply a case of collateral damage. If I had intended that, your account, not your IP, would have been blocked. Dmcdevit·t 22:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

RFAR

I'll keep this short. Could you reconsider your recent RFAR request, giving the new process a chance? I would that perhaps we can assist these two, and they could add good content. In the interest of the project. Thanks, Navou / _contribs 15:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

As I noted, it doesn't make sense to me to come up with some communit-imposed sanction when the two were already on revert parole and have a history of gaming and violations. In particular, the revert parole was recently used to unblock them by an overly rules-oriented administrator, so it seems counterproductive. To be frank, I think a ban is the best solution. Dmcdevit·t 17:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Ararat arev

Whatever you did, it seems to have stopped him cold. Thanks very much for handling that. Seraphimblade 01:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, looks like I spoke too soon, he's back at it. Still, your help is greatly appreciated. Seraphimblade 04:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I noticed. ;) I just blocked that newest IP (same range), but it's not as much of a problem: he's running on old sleepers he already created, but once he runs out, account creation is already blocked so he'll be out of luck. Dmcdevit·t 04:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, here's hoping he runs out soon! Seraphimblade 04:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

By the way, is there any way to add to the account creation page a warning not to use an obvious password (like the same as the username)? He's apparently been compromising accounts like that. Seraphimblade 04:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

How is it possible to know that? I suppose if the account was created recently enough that the IP for the log entry is still stored, I might notice the sudden change in IP, but I haven't seen that on any of the accounts I've checked. Is there some other way to know he didn't pesonally create an account he used? In any case, it's not a bad suggestion; how does this look? You can edit that page however you think best. Dmcdevit·t 04:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi stated he did it, I haven't tested it myself, but it does appear that at least some of the accounts in question have made a very sudden shift in interest and contribution areas. Regardless, the edit you made certainly makes sense, people like to use really stupid passwords sometimes. Seraphimblade 04:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Dmcdevit, please check out Special:Contributions/7777. You'll notice that the account clearly wasn't created by him, but he was able to use it because the password is the same as the username. I was even able to log into it myself: . Khoikhoi 05:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, take a look at Special:Contributions/Kuk. It was last used a month ago before Ararat arev first used it. Khoikhoi 05:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For your seemingly tireless efforts in improving Misplaced Pages, I, Khoikhoi, award you this barnstar. 02:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and Ararat arev is back on Armenia under the following IPs:

• 206.148.196.115 (talk · contribs)
• 206.148.196.201 (talk · contribs)
• 206.148.196.25 (talk · contribs)
• 206.148.197.13 (talk · contribs)
• 66.81.158.196 (talk · contribs)
• 66.81.158.113 (talk · contribs)
• 206.148.196.197 (talk · contribs)

Ciao, Khoikhoi 02:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like those were mostly old range blocks of mine that expired. I've extended them. Thanks for the barnstar. :-) Dmcdevit·t 04:11, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Armenia and Ararat Arev

I am one of the editors who first had to deal with this user over five months ago. Quite simply, no power on earth will ever stop him from adding his material rabidly if the semiprotection is removed. He's already returned once again just after you unprotected it. You might want to put it back. Thanatosimii 05:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The semi-protection wasn't doing anything anyway, these are all old accounts that can edit over it. However, they are old accounts because his main IP is blocked from account creations. I think he will run out of steam soon. Dmcdevit·t 05:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous

Hi. Could you please check the activity of 72.18.138.210 (talk · contribs). He has been edit warring on some pages, deleting content added by other users and ignoring talk, and has previous warnings from admins about his actions being vandalism. Regards, Grandmaster 05:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | 12:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Undelete

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of abbreviations for names. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. — Swpb 12:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Review of Block User:The_Behnam

I think that the decision to block this user was a bit premature. The cited reverts in the 3RR were for undoing POV vandalism POV pushing (this last resulted in the page being fully protected). The 300 article's edit page - in an effort to maintain stability, requested that users bring their proposed changes to the Discussion Page first. This request was also meant to build consensus for changes in the article, and cut down on edit warring. Benhams's edits were not of the tendentious sort, and were actually constructive.
Benham has been harassed by User:Agha Nader, whom he apparently knows in RL. After looking at the edit histories of both, I do see a tendency of Nader to follow Benham around, contesting his edits. I never believed in cabals, and for the most part still don't, but I have noticed - at least in the 300 article a definite, overtly cooperative effort to maintain a pro-nationalist sentiment within the article. Both ArmenianJoe and Agha Nader (and a few others, such as Khoikoi, Azerbaijani and Mardavich) seem to work in very close coordination of effort, via external email (fully aware that any conversation within talk will be recorded). While of course there are no cabals, the best of these "non-cabals" maintain a NPOV to work towards a better article; that is not occurring with the aforementioned users. They work to undo edits that that challenges their nationalist view, and to discredit and remove those editors who disagree consistently with this view. Often this view fiolates one or more of the Five Pillars. After viewing the ArbCom you are part of, I am pretty sure you know what I am talking about here.
Benham has clearly angered this group, and you can see that the edits he reverted were non-consensus edits that served solely to push a POV that was in the specific minority in the article. If you cannot see your way to removing the block after evaluating the environment in which Benham was editing in, perhaps you could lessen the length of the block. Typically, a first block lasts for 8 hours. Benham has not received that same consideration that any other user would have for 3RR on non edit-warring edits. Arcayne 16:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do not refer to other ediors you disaree with as vandals, as this is uncivil, see WP:VAND#What_vandalism_is_not. The proper response to harassment is not response in kind. While teh content of the edits may have been constructive (I make no judgment), the edit warring was not. Please read through WP:DR#Further_dispute_resolution for proper responses to hostile editors. Dmcdevit·t 17:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I would ask that you not accuse me of mistaking vandalism with disagreement - I am well aware of the difference. While I completely agree that fighting 'fire with fire' is a close approximation to WP:POINT, your blocking of those editors ensuring a NPOV only serves to encourage POV "vandals" (your term, not mine) to continue those tactics which remove detractors.

As well, I agree that an An/I might be the only method by which to resolve the underlying issue, but your narrow interpretation of the violation here actually hurts that AN/I. The first block that the user received was a 24-hr block, when in most cases, 8-hr is called for (and I've seen the original block reasoning by Khoikoi - the edits were neither egregious nor valid). If you truly felt that the block was necessary, you might have AGF and allowed for the block to be of a more reasonabl length.

That you seem to be blocking the indivdual according to a warning that you gave him on another page, and using it as a further justification for the block here implies that you are exerting a sero-revert policy, which isn't WP policy. It seems to allow additions without correction, so any sort of completely POV nonsense can be added, as anyone who reverts it will be blocked, according to your warning This hasn't appeared to foster much in the way of discussion on the Discussion Page. It instead appears to have encouraged sockpuppetry, which seems to have increased significantly since your warning.

Clearly, you have issues with the edits taking place in the Koryun and Azerbaijan (Iran) articles. After taking a look at some of the nonsense going on there, so would I. However, penalizing someone and citing special rules you have devised on other pages as the reasoning seems invalid. This implies that you might have a conflict of interest in this matter, and should not have weighed in on the complaint. Since the block has already taken place, you could either remove it completely or reduce it, in order to correct this CoI. Arcayne 21:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do not make ill-considered accusations. If you look at my edit history, you will not find a single POV, or nationalist edit. To accuse me of conspiring with other editors through email to "harass" The Behnam is unacceptable. Do you have proof for any of your accusations? I wish that you would AGF, and not snipe my on various talk pages with accusations.--Agha Nader 04:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

Er, what "various pages" are you referring to, Nader? And why are you following my edits? I believe reasonable people would consider that stalking. Arcayne 04:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Your talk page, Khorshid's talk page, and Behnam's talk page. You once accused my of stalking your page then you were admonished by The Behnam. Please review the Misplaced Pages policies on stalking. Looking at a discussion about a review of a block of a user that I reported, is definitely not stalking. Do you think you can make these sort of ill-considered accusations on various talk pages without me noticing.--Agha Nader 04:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

I guess I am a little confused. How is it that Benham's, Khorshid's, Dmcdevit's and my Talk page are all on your watchlist?? As well, I keep the AN/3RR board on my watchlist, which I am pretty sure isn't against the rules, either, any more than requesting a blocking admin review the evidence. All of the people I named seem to be extraordinarily well-connected to one another. However, if it's this single accusation that bothers you, I will withdraw it unless or until you prove me correct.

While I cannot expect you to remove my talk page from your watchlist, I want you to know that I consider it pretty odd. It isn't like we edit a lot of the same pages. Whatever. This convo is taking up another user's Talk page, when you could be addressing me on mine or on yours. Let's leave the guy alone, shall we? Arcayne 05:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Who said they are on my watch list? I only responded to the personal attacks you made. Do you think you can make personal attacks on your talk page without people seeing them? I referring when you called your fellow editors "Petulant, vengeful children" on your talk page. Please refrain from making personal attacks on all Misplaced Pages space. Agha Nader 11:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

As I said before, you can address these issues on my talk page, so long as you remain polite. That you are posting it here simply suggests that you are cheaply trying to complain to this user. As for the comment, I have already clearly answered you there; the comment was not directed at you, and I am quite certain that your time would be far better spendt not stalking my user history or talk pages. After this post, you can write all you want - I am not going to take up another inch of this user's talk page. Arcayne 11:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Please AGF. The reason I am commenting here is that you attacked me here. At this point I hope Dmcdevit would comment on what appears to me to be personal attacks you made here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Agha Nader (talk • contribs) 19:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Re. Azerbaijan (Iran) and 72.18.138.210

I made a bad call there. Another admin who is involved with the article contacted me and I reduced the block to three hours last night. However, you're right and I should not have blocked them in haste as I did. I will immediately apologise to that editor. I'm only a 2-week newb admin but I should have known better and slipped up on this one. AIV was kinda busy last night! - Alison 16:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Zero revert rule?

After my recent block I realize that your edict at Azerbaijan (Iran) is essentially a zero revert rule. I don't know if such a rule has legitimacy on WP as an alternative to protection but I ask that you implement protection instead. If people want to add something they can just use the formal request template on the talk page. On the other hand, 0RR allows things to be added but never removed, and may encourage sockpuppetry. Full protection seems to be a better, WP-endorsed mechanism for freezing edit wars, so I ask you do please use full protection there instead of 0RR. Thank you. The Behnam 10:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Adolfo Holley

On 6 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Adolfo Holley, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Mackensen RfB

Hi,

Response now available there. If you'd prefer to talk the discussion to any particular talk page, that's fine with me. Best wishes, Xoloz 00:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Oguz1

This kind of looks like he is evading his ban, and the revert by the IP are the same, Artaxiad 09:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Mauco

According to the block log, he is blocked for two months for using suckpuppets. See link. --Thus Spake Anittas 19:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes...? I was the one that blocked him. Dmcdevit·t 19:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, then you should know; so why remove the notice? --Thus Spake Anittas 20:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

We don't blank people's user pages because they have been temporarily blocked. Dmcdevit·t 21:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. The page was not blanked. You just removed the notice where it said that he was blocked because of using suckpuppets. Have a look at the history. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah! My mistake. I somehow misread the diff and thought that the userpage had been replaced with the template. All I meant to do was retore the userpage (due to my misundersanding), not remove any template. Ignore me. :-) Dmcdevit·t 22:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, well, I don't mind either way. I just found it strange, that's all. :p --Thus Spake Anittas 22:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser&oldid=87046132#William_Mauco

Person Needing a Time-Out

This anon user seems to be having some difficulty working with others (1, 2 and is often uncivil (1). The user has a short but unhappy history within the WP community. Usually, one can find at least one or two positive edits that a user has made. Unfortunately (and surprisingly), this user has none. What might we be able to offer the editing community in the way of protection from this user? - Arcayne () 14:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet case

Can you checkthis case out? This is a really big sock case. Kingjeff 04:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure that you made an accurate assesment of the case? Can you please recheck them? Kingjeff 20:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

If you look here and here, then you'll see evidence of an evasion of a ban. Here is a giveaway for IP Address 81.211.198.6. Kingjeff 21:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The technical evidence doesn't support a connection. Of course, CheckUser isn't a magic wiki pixie dust, and adept users can evade detection, but you'll need an admin to make a judgment call on the matter if that is the case. Dmcdevit·t 00:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Arthur Ellis

Just to be clear, I assume that TropicNord (talk · contribs) is not a confirmed Arthur Ellis Sock? I just want to verify before I fulfill the requested removal of tags from his/her userspace. Thanks!--Isotope23 16:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

That's how I read it. Thatcher131 16:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant. Dmcdevit·t 19:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Help with sockpupettry

Hi Dmcdevit, I need your help. REDVERS, one of the Administrators that is working with the Fellowship of Friends page, left me the following message:

Hi, Mario. On the talk page of Fellowship of Friends, I offered Misplaced Pages's best way for how to resolve these disputes (basically WP:RS); sadly, this was basically ignored and very obvious sockpuppetry was resorted to instead, by people who held the high ground in the dispute.

I wrote to REDVERS but he didn't reply to me. Do you know how can I find out who the sock pupeteers are based on this and this? Thanks a lot! Mario Fantoni 18:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:SOCK and tell how any of these accounts are in violation of the specific prohibited uses of sockpuppets, and I'll check them out. And if they are, please provide a possible culprit, if you can, so I can compare the two. Dmcdevit·t 20:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Did you check 62.31.146.25 (talk · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) against Xmas1973 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) and John Smith's (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)? The IP shows as in the UK, which I know John Smith is from. If they are connected this would be a 3RR vio. Thanks.Giovanni33 04:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah - two users from the same country. What a coincidence.

Giovanni, I suggest you see a psychiatrist to deal with your paranoia. John Smith's 10:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Watch it. We won't tolerate attacks or incivility. Giovanni isn't paranoid, if the IP is reverting to your version and is the same country then it's reasonable to think it might be a sockpuppet and get it checked out. The fact that you're getting incivil kind of supports the allegation. How about rather than requesting it all from Dmcdevit, go to WP:RFCU and file the appropriate reports. --Deskana (fry that thing!) 13:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I do have a question. Dmcdevit, did you check where there is any relation between the anon IP 209.160.65.68 and User:VietFire? John Smith's 15:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks

Many thanks for being the voice of reason with your comments on Zeq's talk page. I reiterate that I am not, as he claims, involved in any content dispute with him, and in fact, am trying to spare newer admins what I and others have gone through; to ensure that all the work that went into the arbitration case was not for naught. Also, I am sorry about the slight unpleasentness we've had in the past over this. Regards, El_C 07:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't recall that was over something related to Zeq. See WP:AN/I for lengthier comments by me. Also, I have no grudge either, no need to worry about the past. :-) Dmcdevit·t 07:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Will do. Goodstuff, I didn't think so. Thanks again. :) El_C 08:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Jaakko Sivonen

User is complaining so I took the liberty of starting a thread here to endorse your block (which was past due, IMHO). --bainer (talk) 14:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Documentation of Checkuser reply templates

Hi, I came across Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Matthead where a user wonders what does  Possible mean. I must admit I am a bit lost myself on the different templates you CU use to answer the cases. I started a discussion some time ago on the clerk noticeboard on the meaning of all these. What do you think of expanding the Indicator page to emphasize a bit more the answers? -- lucasbfr 15:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijani

Hi. Please check recent contribs of User:Azerbaijani. He is waging a slow revert war. Just today he reverted 3 pages. See: Here he reverted the page: To this version: And this edit is a partial revert, as he deleted the following line under a guise of adding info: However, official reports from international organizations, such as the leading human rights organization in the European Community, the Council of Europe, paint a favorable picture.

Entitlement to 1 revert per week does not mean that he should go around and revert the pages once a week, he makes no attempt to reach a compromise with other editors or try a dispute resolution. Grandmaster 20:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

First of all, I am entitled to one revert per week per article, Grandmaster cannot dictate to me in which ways I choose to use my reverts, because I certainly do not go around talking about Grandmaster to admins for every little thing he does or every revert he makes. He is trying to continue to the character assassination that Atabek and AdilBaguirov started. Note that Adil Baguirov has already come back several times with IP's and even created a new account, which was banned, just so he could continue edit warring and attacked several articles. Furthermore, the COE quote on the Talysh Mughan Autonomous Republic was selective, Grandmaster and Adil picked the only part of the report which praised Azerbaijan, and left out all of the criticism which are talked about in the same source! Since it was selective, I removed it, yet because of Grandmaster's insistence, I expanded it to include the rest of the report. Furthermore, the source is from the Council of Europe, so I merely changed However, official reports from international organizations, such as the leading human rights organization in the European Community (of which the underlined portion is POV and not sourced) to According to the Council of Europe.

Secondly, since Grandmaster is talking of compromises, why did he revert my first edit instead of talking about it on the talk page? I had left a comment on the talk page, but nope, Grandmaster wouldnt discuss it, he simply reverted me and left another comment, so this in itself contradicts Grandmaster, as he is saying that I am the one not wanting to compromise! He assumes that he doesnt have to compromise, but that I do.

Furthermore, my edits speak for themselves. I have compromised on many many articles, and I myself have asked third party users to comment on several articles.

The character assassinations have just started again, and soon I'm sure Atabek will also be here to make a few comments against me.Azerbaijani 21:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes I feel like I should post a note at the top of this page to the effect of "This is my personal talk page, not a noticeboard". I'm not the only administrator in the world, and this conflict has drained enough of my time already. Could you please take this to the community at a wider noticeboard? Dmcdevit·t 00:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan

Hi, I was wondering if you would like to look into this case. Artaxiad seems to be still editing: . He says he wont stop. -- Cat 11:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Arthur Ellis

Thank you for the very prompt and efficient reply to the request. TropicNord

Zero

Arbcom rulings are prescriptive, though, which is what we're talking about, and which isn't a small point. Just so you know, the problem Zero is getting at is the problem you have any time one person writes and interprets the same text. Let's say you wrote the ruling poorly; is that something you're going to be as ready to admit as a third party? Beyond that, are you going to be as perceptive to ambiguities in your text? I don't know that it's anything to inform arbcom about, but I do think it's something for you to consider.

My point here, in any case, is simply that a misreading of an ambiguously worded arbcom ruling isn't the time to resort to harsh sanctions against a guy who has been contributing extremely productively here for some three years. Just a thought. Mackan79 06:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:AN#Disclosing real IP – something a checkuser should not do

Just to inform you, not long ago on the Admins noticeboard, a pretty serious allegation was made against you regarding possible abuse of your Checkuser privileges. Whether you reply or not is up to you, but I'm sure you would want to provide your point of view. Just passing on the message. Harryboyles 13:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Transnistria

Can you protect the page? 3RR against user Alaexis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He was blocked before 2 days ago for 3RR.--M-renewal 13:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Dmcdevit. I saw you were already anounced about the report I made against you. If you don't want to comment publicly this report I would be interested to know in private your opinion, through e-mail. Regarding the edit-war actually going in Transnistria article, I think is staged to show that even without User:William Mauco there are edit wars on this article. In 7 April, at "Romanian Wikipedians notice board" where I asked advice about Mauco's case, somebody point at a vandalism made at Vladimir Socor article by the newbie User:M-renewal, suggesting that M-renewal could be a sock of Mauco . I didn't took this seriously as Mauco was not a simple vandal, as M-renewal appears, but considering latest developments I believe this would worth a check - for you is easy to do.--MariusM 16:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Block review

An uninvolved user has posted to WP:AN requesting a review of your 48-hour block of User:The Benham. I see some mitigating circumstances, while two other admins (one on AN and one on the user's talkpage) have agreed with the block. Your input at AN is requested. Regards, Newyorkbrad 23:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Your block of User:The Behnam

This block is being discussed on WP:AN#Request Admin Second Opinion on Unblock Request for User:The Behnam. At least two editors have supported an unblock. Your comments would be welcome. DES 23:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom

A case you commented has been filed an ArbCom request by me, on Misplaced Pages:Requests for Arbitration#Transnistria, please go take a look, thank you! Wooyi 02:19, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring

It looks like you have been engaging in edit warring at Iranian women. Please be aware that User:The Behnam has just been blocked for this, and the same will happen to you if it continues. You need to read WP:DR and follow the non-confrontational processes outlined there for resolvin the conflict. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 07:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks for the guidance. In the meanwhile, I would be grateful if you kindly point me to the right direction. There is an editor (FullStop), who due to his religious intolerance and dogma is constantly RV my edits in number of pages. HE has taken this to a personal level, to the point of accusations; What can I do about him? Many thanks in advance for your co-operation? ← ← Parthian Shot (Talk) 09:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

You might want to try mediation (WP:MEDCOM or WP:MEDCAB) and ask for outside opinions (WP:3O and WP:RFC) to get more eyes on the conflict. There is more advice in the essay at WP:DR. Dmcdevit·t 09:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. ← ← Parthian Shot (Talk) 10:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey look! ParthianShot tried DR right with his next edit ! The Behnam 14:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Dmcdevit, would you have approached this differently had you known that ParthianShot was formerly Surena (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), twice blocked for edit warring and a checkuser-proven sockpuppeteer? BTW, his behavior continues to be a problem, I will look into it tonight. Thatcher131 22:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thatcher, please note that there's an ANI thread on this (in which Dmcdevit noted the same observation). Newyorkbrad 23:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Correct. I might have blocked both instead at teh time, but by the time Behnam emailed me and I realized ParthianShot was experienced, it had already been one or two days since the edit war, and he didn't continue, so I noted it on ANI and took no action. Of course, if he's reverting elsewhere now, it might be a different situation. Dmcdevit·t 23:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring and edit warriors

That was a refreshing read. Btw, Slrubenstein introduced me to a recent essay of his today which you may be interested to review. Regards, El_C 10:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Question on the JB196 RfCU

I see a lot of the accounts listed were not blocked (the later ones), were they unrelated, or was just burntsauce unrelated? SirFozzie 19:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Unblock request

User:209.217.67.146 is requesting unblock. I have contacted you, as in guideance with our procedures. Part Deux 21:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

This range block is needed to deal with a persistent banned user. However, it is only an anon. only block, which means the person just ahs to log in to edit. If they don't have an account, either the person behind it can find another internet connection (library, school, etc.) to create an account, or can email an admin with the request, and they can fulfill it following the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Request an account/Administrators. Dmcdevit·t 21:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, will notify. Part Deux 21:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Ombudsman Commission

Hi, Thankyou for offering to assist in the investigation. I shall be in touch shortly to discuss any issues. Feel free to provide an email address to cartmanau-at-gmail.com if you wish it to remain private - Cartman02au 07:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You can email me through the "Email this user" link, or, in any case, you already have my email from my comments at checkuser-l. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 08:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Check this out...Buffadren is MaGioZal...

Buffadren (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

MaGioZal (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

MarkStreet (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel 19:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Would you believe me ?

If I tell you that I want to see a better encyclopedia ?

I know you think I am hopeless, and quite honestly I can see why.

However, most articles from which I was banned (even for a year) have all had continued edit-war without me.

I did not receive 8 blocks for editwars. Some of my blocks were on nonsense like I left a message on few people talk page asking them to participate in an admin vote. That was enough for a young admin to block me (twice - once more fro asking to be unblocked) . That admin has later given up his adminship on the ground that he realize he is not mature enough (he is only a kid)

Anyhow, Misplaced Pages is missing amechanism to ensure NPOV and lack of edit wars on issues such as the ME articles. People like my self, Zero and Ian could never agree without a 3rd party activly mediating. Just banning me from articles I had conflict with Zero Palestinian Exodus and the 1948 war has done nothing Zero continued the POV pushing and edit war with others. This is endless and this is not just a personal issue but also a process issue.

as you can see I don't have problem to admit my guilt (in places where I am guilty) but I do want to move beyond guilt to find a process that can work. Just blocking the Pro_israel side of the POV and doing nothing to the anti-israel side of the POV is not a way to get to NPOV.

Best regards, Zeq 19:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Of course I believe you. I have infinite confidence in the good faith of editors, despite shortcomings; Misplaced Pages would never have turned out to be such a success if cynicism were right. However, sometimes good faith is not the same as good behavior; one of the best ways to work to improve the encyclopedia rather than to promote your POV is to avoid contentious topics that excite you enough to cause such hostile editing tactics. I'm afraid though (see my comment about not being cynical; Misplaced Pages has good articles on most contentious subjects because of ideologically dissimilar editors working together cordially) that I can't accept the claim that Middle Eastern articles, or any set of articles, invariably lead to conflict between opposing editors, by the nature of the topic. To say that is to ignore the body of good articles on contentious subjects at Misplaced Pages. Inability to communicate or to work together or to follow content policies—conduct issues—are the problem here, and need to be dealt with if you cannot moderate your behavior in the face of a concerted effort by the community to get you to do so. Dmcdevit·t 03:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I accept what you say at least in large part. I wrote it after I read this: WP:User:Dmcdevit/Thoughts - in which you focus on the personality of the editor. My point was that it is not always just the personality of the editor but the subject matter as well.

I tend to agree with you regardless of what is the origin of the problem the solution is in what you wrote here:

"one of the best ways to work to improve the encyclopedia rather than to promote your POV is to avoid contentious topics that excite you enough to cause such hostile editing tactics."

Best, Zeq 10:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

ParthianShot part trey

MedianLady (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Possible sock puppet and/or sock puppet of another user looking to stir up trouble . May be a backslashing open proxy. Thatcher131 20:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Open proxy is right. Actually it's the same person as whoever this IP at Denial of the Armenian Genocide was. (This is why I don't block open proxies anon.-only; anyone who knows how to use an ope proxy knows how to use another internet connection or another open proxy to create an account to get around the block.) Dmcdevit·t 21:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

So why was ParthianShot blocked? was it her? I requested a CheckUser on her regarding another I.P and it was unrelated so is this someone trying to frame her? Ashkani 18:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that the IP and MedianLady were obviously carrying ParthianShot's disputes for him, so it seems that he was evading his block through sock or meatpuppetry. As for that IP he could have just gone over to a library. Considering the subsequent creation of MedianLady I think there is more reason to believe that this is ParthianShot himself and not some conspirators. The Behnam 19:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay than how do we know he is telling the truth? CheckUser has confirmed I.P is unrelated I'm sure they know if its a library. Ashkani 19:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how the specifics work for that. I just pointed out the IPs work to Aksi_great since it was obviously suspicious and appeared to be a block dodge. It was up to his judgment as I didn't expect PS to be foolish enough to operate under a related IP. The Behnam 19:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay? Ashkani 19:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

ParthianShot was blocked for edit warring. The block was extended for sockpuppetry, then dropped back to its original length after the checkuser came back unrelated. Exactly why jpgordon said the two were unrelated is privileged; another checkuser can check his work but the details will not be released publically. I originally blocked MedianLady as a suspected sock puppet; since she edits from open proxies that can't be confirmed or refuted. But she was pushing allegations that ParthianShot's block was a racially motivated conspiracy, which we do not need here, so she is still indefinitely blocked. ParthianShot's comments against user:Fullstop on his talk page sound very similar to MedianLady's accusation that Fullstop secretly got Ashki to block her for edit warring, so my suspicions are still raised. I'd also like to know how brand new user Ashkani got involved in this; I certainly wasn't even aware of blocking policy and sockpuppets on my second day. However, even if Ashkani is someone's sockpuppet, that's tolerable as long as he isn't a sockpuppet of a blocked or banned user. Thatcher131 19:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

It should be noted that Ashkani also gives credence to the nationality conspiracy "there also is skirmish between nationalities not being fair because of the admins nationality" The Behnam 23:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to be neutral giving the other users claims. Ashkani 23:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

From the way you put it it sounded as if you believed that there was really a nationality issue. I apologize if I erred in that judgment. However, of new concern is that PS is now treating Fullstop and I as one (Fullstop/The Behnam), is insulting admins ("have gone mad"), and calling Fullstop and I puppets of the Islamic regime ("ploy by Islamic regime’s puppets"). Which, by the way, is very similar to the ideas of that IP on the talk page for The Lion and Sun. Hmm... The Behnam 23:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Erm. So anyway. This is my talk page, not a noticeboard (I know they look alike sometimes). If this discussion needs to take place, please do it in a more appropriate place. (Shoo!) Dmcdevit·t 03:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

You really should put a notice, archive your page than do it since so many people do things like this. Put a link to the notice board. Ashkani 23:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pens withdrawn

Hello, I found that you have declined the cases on Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pens withdrawn. My request is to run a checkuser for the my userid and check whether these users are sockpuppet of mine. It is clear from my evidences that these users are not in my IP domain and there is no reason to put them under my user id. Ptu them int appropriate places. Not under my user id. As the request says the checkuser was for the "Pens withdrawn" and all the users are put under my id!! --- Sundaram7 07:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

It is not our policy to have self-requested CheckUsers. Please see the directions at WP:RFCU. Dmcdevit·t 03:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser Close

It wasnt so much as a sockpuppet abuse, this user used his IP address AND his account to post on it. If I nominated him in the wrong place, please direct me to the correct location. I remember reading somewhere that this could be done, so I gave it a shot. Thanks DietLimeCola 07:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry is not prohibited. Abusive sockpuppetry is. Please read WP:SOCK and only file another request if there is a specific abuse according to the criteria there. Dmcdevit·t 03:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Elsanaturk

This user is practically asking for a ban. See here: Click on the links there to see his personal attacks. He is making it very clear that he knows that he is personally attacking me and that he doesnt care whether he has to face the consequences. This is coming from a user that just got out of an Arbcom. I'm sick of his personal attacks, and I think he should be banned for a period of one year for these attacks (thats my opinion, I'll leave the actual decision to you guys).Azerbaijani 03:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Help!

I don't know why this revert was made without any discussion. He also reverted all the changes I made yesterday, back to back within a minute so either he's a speed reader or he did not read any comments or content.

1. 04:42, 20 April 2007 (hist) (diff) m Armenians in Turkey (Reverted edits by Oguz1 (talk) to last version by SmackBot)
2. 04:42, 20 April 2007 (hist) (diff) Dissolution of the Ottoman Empire (rv per source cited) (top)
3. 04:41, 20 April 2007 (hist) (diff) Van Province (rv) (top)

I made a direct appeal on his talk page , on the article talk page, and on my edit summary on why the change was made ] , alas.

He claims Primary Sources are completely out per WP:NOR. But I provided three sources which is acceptable per WP:NOR, and WP says they're even encouraged.

What did I do wrong that warranted a revert from an admin. And he won't discuss anything with me, nor does he comment the edit summary.

I am asking you for help because, if I ask anyone else for anything, I get blocked.

So, please, I really need to know what I am doing wrong here. Thanks. --Oguz1 14:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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Dazed

• Dmcdevit there accusing me of sock puppets again () on the administrators noticeboard I am not using socks. There superficially saying I am a troll and saying offensive material, Please check 86.137.146.147 so it can be cleared I have no idea who 86.137.146.147 is neither have I edited the pages that 86.137.146.147 has.

• Minutes later 86.137.146.147 appears trying to frame me I am not from the United Kingdom I had to leave for a family emergency and now there saying nonsense, there going to use that against me now everywhere that I am a sock. I guess this gives Cool Cat the right to harass me of a sock and stalk my contributions I am helpless right now. Ashkani 23:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Note: A editing war has started been started by Makalp, he hasn't discussed any of his reverts I have left the user a note on his talk the user who added the material for third party sources and NPOV. how long may I take this users harassment? Ashkani 23:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I still don't appreciate users harassments theres other interwikis. Ashkani 03:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Denial of AG

Thanks for the comment on the talk page. I think we can reach a relative stability there with my last edit. I think it also reflects the bbc reference well. deniz_C 00:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Unblock request

Your input might be helpful on an unblock request at User_talk:Megaversal. Regards, Newyorkbrad 20:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

OttomanReference

User:Dmcdevit says: You have multiple reverts at this article since its unprotection with no edits to the talk page at all. You were just blocked for edit warring there. Please stop continuing the current edit war, and intead work the problem out by discussing it. If the edit war continues it may be dealt with by blocks. Dmcdevit·t 20:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

These are six edits and summaries of all the editions (more than three months) by me from 12 "January" 2007. My summaries:

• 6- 20 April 2007 (rv -2 (introduction has already been discussed) please obey the general rules of editing see: the discussion Talk:Denial_of_the_Armenian_Genocide#Revised_opening_line)
• 5- 20 April 2007 (rv -please use the discussion page for changes.)

--I 'm blocked here by an ADMIN for the 3RR of because of the reversion of ArmenianJoe's added "added text"; which I did not responded to ArmenianJoe with the third revert of his deletion of the section.

• 4- 16 April 2007 (rv - vandalism deletion of block of text with no apperant reason.)
• 3- 15 April 2007 (All the items are cited; please be more specific; perform your editions in small increments and give their reasons. Thanks)

User Armenian joe reverted the added text

• 2- 15 April 2007 (Let me divide the introduction into two pars. One that ""agrees"" other that ""disagrees"". This will minimize the edit wars....)
• 1- 15 April 2007 (citations from "The Middle East: A History) added a text

Regarding "no edits to the talk page," I'm the one who asked the use of talk page and inspide of the other users gave an extensive reasoning, which the respond never solidified. I would appreciate if, you follow this link and see the response and how the introduiction section should be shaped.

• 1-

Could you please be more specific; especially why do you feel the need to threaten me?? It is hard to understand the reasons of me being targatted.?? Thanks. --OttomanReference 00:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Also regarding the blockage: Besides the fact that I have never been in the 3RR, there has never been a warning by Admin user:Cbrown1023. This can be easily recognized if you follow my talk page. The Admin User:Thatcher131 tried to war me about the 3thr revert but I was blocked by then.

• 3 Admin User:Thatcher131 reverts his message, which s/he recognizes that eventhough there is no warning the action already performed by user:Cbrown1023
• 2 message that I'm warned
• 1 message that I'm blocked (there is no link that that I can produce for the warning)

While asking me to discuss the content of the introduction section; and giving me a warning not to edit the page; The introduction section has been removed not just a single sentence but two paragraphs without any discussion at the talk page . I just do not get your position. Thanks. --OttomanReference 02:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

After my unprotection of the article on April 20, you made 2 further reverts, and gave no rationales for either of them on the talk page, you last edit there being April 18. The point is this: you were just blocked for edit warring on that article; please stop with the repeated reverts and develop talk page consensus for contentious changes. Dmcdevit·t 05:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. That does not really clear the feeling that I'm victimized. What about your position that changes at introduction should be discussed at the talk page and the latest deletion/removal of the whole introduction section. I thought this behavior was the reason behind my blockage, but obviously there are different perceptions of it. As you did not act on deletion of the whole introduction, this form of edit should be normal. Currently this article has virtually no introduction and I guess this is a form of solution. No introduction, no problem. Have a nice Sunday. I have a workshop to attend. --OttomanReference 05:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, first of all, your accusations of bias are patently absurd considering I blocked Aivazovsky before you pointed out that diff to me. But, he was blocked for edit warring, not for the content change he made. The point is, I don't have any stake in teh content dispute at all and it is not the reason I'm making the decisions I am. The problem is the behavior of teh edit warriors on either side. When you have a dispute, work it out according to dispute resolution procedure, not sterile edit warring. Dmcdevit·t 06:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Pam55

Hi. I suspect that Pam55 (talk · contribs) is a sock account. Please check his contributions, he only turns up occasionally to revert Iran related articles. Grandmaster 10:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)