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* Sequoia and Kings Canyon are two separated national parks though they are neighbors joined by their border. The original text had them separted as two links, the recent change merged the two together into one. | |||
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: Yellowstone was the first national park created by that name in roughtly its current form, and the Act of Congress that establishing it set the pattern for the national park system. But the first effort by a modern state to set aside such an natural area was the ceding of Yosemite Valley (a small part of today's park) to the control of the State of California during the Civil War, some years before Yellowstone. Some historical materials seem to indicate that the more sweeping Yellowstone legislation was prompted by the mixed (at best) results of the Yosemite experiment. The Park Service, Smokey Bear hats and all, didn't come into existence until 1916, when there were 14 parks and 21 national monuments. (see http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/hisnps/NPSHistory/npshisto.htm) Some countries have never set up a unform system of parks, even though they do set areas aside. | |||
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:The relationship between Yellowstone and Yosemite does make for some minor rivalry and a great trivia question or two. | |||
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Mav: interesting stuff about geology of Yosemite. I haven't heard anything at all about the school of geologists who don't think that glaciation and uplift had a major effect. I went to a Open House at the Menlo Park USGS back in 1995 or so and didn't see anything about that. And there is lots of glacial polish well above 5600'... Well, you properly NPOV-ed it.. Is it possible to give sources on it? I'd like to poke around some more... | |||
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I think the large amount of uplift of the Sierra is pretty well established --- the faults along the eastern Sierra have undergone a large amount of vertical displacement (the westernmost Basin and Range fault) .. For example, the Alabama hills in the Owens Valley have the same granite as near Mt. Whitney, but are much lower. Anyway, it seems difficult to reconcile with the "glaciation and uplift are unimportant" theory. Say more? -- ] 00:19 8 Jul 2003 (UTC) | |||
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:I didn't say that the newer school thought that uplift did not have a major effect. I did say that this newer school has attacked the longstanding idea that rapid uplift over the past 2 million years combined with highly abrasive glaciations has been the major shaping force of the parks topography. They state that the uplift happened much more slowly and much further in the past and that jointing was the major dictator of events (of course all types of erosion will take advantage of weaknesses and joints provide those weaknesses). This new line of thought has been led by Jeffrey P. Schaffer (see cite below). Much of what I read in the cite was statements of fact with little supporting evidence (which in understandable considering the book I read was a natural history guide). But I'm sure his earlier work ''The Geomorphic Evolution of the Yosemite Valley and the Sierra Nevada Landscapes'' will have all his evidence. I just report what I read and try to NPOV it - thus the last paragraph was a compromise between ''Geology of the National Parks'' and Schaffer's natural history guide. | |||
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:''Yosemite National Park: A Natural History Guide to Yosemite and Its Trails'', Jeffrey P. Schaffer, (Wilderness Press, Berkeley; 1999) ISBN 0-89997-244-6 | |||
This old photograph of "Vernal Fall" might interest someone. Is it the same sight as the one pictured in the article? This angle isn't quite as dramatic. Also, the area looks more cleared out in recent photographs? Park service? Fire? Just the angle? | |||
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:Oh and Schaffer is not arguing that that glaciers did not effect anything above 5600 feet. I know for a fact that glaciers did cover areas well above 9,000 feet in at least the high country since I saw (and photographed) a several ton glacial erratic on top of Lambert Dome. The erratic was unmistakable since the rock type of the boulder was markably different and it still had glacial polish and striations below its base (meaning that it was transported and did not erode in place). Schaffer does disagree with the prevailing view that Lambert Dome is the shape it is because it is a huge ''roche mountonnee'', however. He points out, and I have to somewhat agree, that the cliff face of Lambert (and Liberty Cap for that matter) does not look at all like it was formed by glacial plucking (which would result in a great many concave depressions in the rock face). It looks to me more like a joint plane (very similar to Half Dome's steep face). Of course glaciers would have taken advantage of the joint plane and helped to sheer off large slabs of the face but Shaffer states that without the joint plane there would not have been a vertical cliff (thus Lambert and Liberty Cap are not roche mountonees). His overall theme, I gather, is that the granitic rock of the Yosemite area is very resistant to erosion and when it does erode it almost allways follows major joint planes. | |||
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== Website links in infobox == | |||
:I may have given Schaffer's views more credit than warrented (since I'm not a professional geologist and do not really know what the consensus view on this is) so if that is the case then please attribute those views to just Schaffer. Also, IIRC, Muir and a prominent contemporary geologist (whose name escapes me for the moment) also differed on this exact point; Muir thought that glaciers were the primary shaping force of the valley but this geologist (who was apparently highly respected in his time) thought that major joints where the primary shaping force of the valley. It would be great if we put this argument into its historical context. --] 02:45 8 Jul 2003 (UTC) | |||
Currently, the infobox contains three links. Even assuming they all belong in the EL section, I believe the Infobox should only contain the URL to the official http://www.nps.gov/yose/index.htm per the usage guidance at ] as well as per ]. --- ] <small>(] • ])</small> - 02:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
::OK.. I'll try and investigate and see if more people than Schaffer believe it. I've found that we have to be careful about those guides, sometimes: the <i>Roadside Geology of Washington</i> had the "asteroid hitting the hot spot causing the Basin and Range" hypothesis that I mentioned in ].. I suspect that people use guides as a bully pulpit for their favorite hypothesis. But, you did NPOV it well. | |||
:I agree 100% and have removed the websites of Yosemite Conservancy (which I support financially myself) and Delaware North (whose facilities I have patronized many times). I have no problem including them as external links. ] ] 03:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Yosemite as part of Northern California == | |||
:: Oh, btw --- The contemporary geologist you are thinking of is ], the chief geologist of ] at the time. ] is named after him. -- ] 14:40 8 Jul 2003 (UTC) | |||
To avoid the issue of edit-warring, let's discuss this debate here. As our own article on ] notes, the counties encompassing Yosemite National Park are commonly referred to as being part of Northern California, and the park is commonly referred to in external publications as being in Northern California. For example, "Wild Northern California," a guidebook to designated wilderness in the region, includes and describes the Yosemite Wilderness. . This is likely because while Yosemite may be closer to the "geographic center" than the northern extremity, in common practice California is roughly geographically divided in half rather than in thirds. ] (]) 04:00, 9 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
==Controlled use of fire by Ahwahneechee Native American Indians in Yosemite== | |||
:::Yeah I've heard about the "asteroid impact as origin of Yellowstone/Snake River Plane Hot Spot" hyp too, but only via one Discovery Channel TV program. I do have a policy whereby anything I see on TV has to be backed-up by a reputable-looking print reference but it seems that print media has similar problems regarding the advancement of less-than-mainstream ideas. BTW my geography instructor for my last Yosemite trip and my geology instructor for my previous trip to Yosemite both indicated there is renewed controversy about the relative role glaciers had in shaping the park and esp the Valley (my geography instructor specifically mentioned Schaffer). Oh and thanks for the Whitney ref (D'oh! How could I have forgotten that?). --] 18:05 8 Jul 2003 (UTC) | |||
I think somewhere this view should be mentioned, that the Ahwahneechee before they were killed or driven from the park would manage it with controlled fires and that many of the problems with wild fires are due to this absence of the resident humans who used to be part of the ecosystem there. Perhaps a short summary of this article could be a starting point for it? | |||
::::Hunting around on the Web, I cannot find much support for Schaffer's views, other than from Schaffer himself: (Schaffer wrote the review of the book in the second link). It is clear that Schaffer is very passionate about his hypothesis! Unfortunately, not being an expert in geomorphology, I cannot evaluate his hypothesis without a lot more research (and now I'm hours away from a technical library). I'm a little dubious about his application of Alaska mass wasting data to the Sierra Nevada, but again, I'm not an expert. | |||
::::I'd like to suggest attributing the "old canyon" hypothesis directly to Schaffer. If he turns out to be correct, then we've given him the credit he deserves for destroying a bad paradigm. If he turns out to be incorrect, then the article is still factually valid. What do you think? -- ] 06:42 10 Jul 2003 (UTC) | |||
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::::::I think that is a good idea. I'm planning on expanding the geology section much more in the next week or so. I'll change the ref then if you don't beat me to it. --] | |||
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I agree that the article needs a beautiful photo, I just worry about overlap with ]. Does someone have a different photo, like of ]? If not, I can try and dig one out of my collection (or just go and take a photo). -- ] 07:52 10 Jul 2003 (UTC) | |||
The ''']''' redirect is targeted at this page, whereas the effectively identical ''']''' is redirected to the ]. Could someone who knows about this sort out that mess? (I'm posting an identical note in the ''talk'' section of the latter page, too.) ] (]) 23:39, 15 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Yeah, preferably it'd have its own photograph. Really though any photograph we could put here could conceivably go on another page as well, since all the really picturesque locations are also famous in their own right. Perhaps two different images of the same thing so at least they're not identical? If nobody else has one, I can try to dig one up, but my last trip to Yosemite dates from before I got a ], so it may take some digging (and finding a scanner). --] 07:55 10 Jul 2003 (UTC) | |||
* Meanwhile, ] doesn't even have a page, and isn't a redirect to anything. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:I have a whole bunch of digital Yosemite photos from two different trips but I still haven't got around to doing the name, crop, resize, upload bit. With any luck I'll get to this by the end of Sunday. --] | |||
== History: "first to tour the area" == | |||
:Cool! I don't have any digital Yosemite photos (I checked), so please go ahead. -- ] 08:09 10 Jul 2003 (UTC) | |||
"In 1855, entrepreneur James Mason Hutchings, artist Thomas Ayres and two others were the first to tour the area." This needs clarification, because indigenous people clearly "tour the area" long before any Europeans entered N America. ] (]) 04:29, 25 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
OK - have fun with these photos (it might be some time before I'll have much time integrating them into Misplaced Pages so please beat me to that if you have time): ]. --] | |||
:Not necessarily. | |||
:*If the reader doesn't know that, besides parts of the polar regions, there aren't many places on the planet that hadn't seen a human by 1855 (and most of them remote islands), the preceding section begins: "Yosemite Valley has been inhabited for nearly 3,000 years, although humans may have first visited the area as long as 8,000 to 10,000 years ago." | |||
:*Nobody would say that Native Americans "toured the area". They didn't "tour" anything. | |||
:*How best to clarify? "First Europeans"? Hutchings had apparently been an American citizen since 1848, and Ayres was born in New Jersey. "First people of European descent"? "First white people"? "First non-natives"? In any case, strict adherence to ] would require source support, and the cited source, being a book, is not easily accessible. So you'd have to go find a copy of the book or another reliable source that says what you want the article to say. | |||
:There is such a thing as "over-accuracy"{{snd}} i.e., accuracy that is unnecessary and tends to hinder reading comprehension. ―] ] 02:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Superintendent == | |||
For what it's worth I definitely think we should have the tunnel view photo on this page. It is gorgeous and the symbol of Yosemite. I'm not worried that the same photo also appears on ]. ] 04:35, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC) | |||
Any interest in a having a sentence mention the national park's superintendent? Cindy Muldoon was named yesterday as the park's new superintendent, becoming just the second woman to hold the position. I think it's worthy of inclusion, and I'm happy to post it if there's consensus. https://www.sfchronicle.com/nation/article/Yosemite-gets-new-superintendent-in-bid-for-15678961.php ] (]) 19:18, 28 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
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I think the transcription "yo-SEM-mi-tee" is misleading. My understanding (Webster) is that it's pronounced -m&-tee. Where & is schwa (or perhaps a hinted i as in "pit") and NOT i as in "fight" or "bike". The openness of the penultimate syllable would tempt people to opt for the "bike" though. | |||
: {{u|MONGO}}, Mav is no longer editing, might you be interested in bringing this back to standard? ] (]) 00:00, 3 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
::I will have to put it in cue. Would like to see it updated but not sure I have time. I'll try.--] (]) 04:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::I like chasing down references. I'll take a crack at it. — ] (]) 04:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::I'm willing to work on it too. ] (]) 19:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::@], @], @]: can I bring this to FAR, or do you still plan to work on this in the medium-term? ] (]) 18:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{od|5}} Thanks for reminding me. I'll get back to work on it. — ] (]) 00:54, 6 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|Hike395|Pistongrinder|MONGO}} still interested in working on this? ] (]) 22:05, 8 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
:: I appreciate the reminder, @]. I'll have some time next week to work on researching and adding appropriate citations to the article. ] (]) 16:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::Awesome. Feel free to ping me when improvements are complete and I will conduct a more thorough review. ] (]) 18:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::I've added several citations to the article over the last few weeks as you can see in the history section, but I'm not finished yet. There are still a dozen or so more {{citation needed}} tags to tackle. This is just an update to say that I'm still working on them. ] (]) 15:44, 10 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Disputing the origin of the name Yosemite and "grizzy bear" == | |||
Whether my understanding is correct or not, I'd suggest using a better transcription or perhaps adding an additional ] or ] transcription. ] 09:28, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC) | |||
In the Etymology section, it is stated that the name Yosemite "itself is from the Native American word 'uzumate,' which meant grizzly bear", which was taken from the source https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/travel/national-parks/the-origins-of-place-names-in-yosemite/ | |||
However, from another source http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/origin_of_word_yosemite.html, it is explained that this name was a mistake. The one who named the National Park, Mr. L. H. Bunnell, heard the story from Major James Savage, who had a conversation with Chief Ten-ei-ya and mistakenly interpreted Ten-ei-ya. It is further explained in http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/discovery_of_the_yosemite/04.html#page_63 that Ten-ei-ya was describing his band, which consisted of the outlaws and refugrees from other tribes, is called "grizzy bear", but not the area itself. The word "uzumate" (bear) and "yosemite" (killer), although sound similar to those who is not familiar with Miwok language, are totally distinct to native speaker in Miwok . | |||
Therefore it is not persuasive to use the explanation provided by the Hachette Book Group. I recommend a discussion and revision (if applicable) on this section. | |||
<span style="font-size:0;">]</span><span style="border: 1px solid;">] ]</span> 08:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
1. Erwin G. Gudde, California Place Names, 1949, s.v. | |||
2. Indiana University Publications in Anthropology and Linguistics, Memoir 6 of the International Journal of American Linguistics, 1951. | |||
== "Indigenous peoples' presence post war and since" == | |||
This section is rather garbled and is fundamentally incorrect in saying that there were four major evictions. In fact by 1969 only a few houses in the "Indian village" remained, solely occupied by park employees and their families who were relocated to other employee housing. The fundamental relationship in the National Park era between employment by the National Park and the right to reside the "Indian villages" is completely ignored. ] (]) 15:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Updating this article's European centric history == | |||
I noticed that much of this article's descriptions of the history of the region of Yosemite is focused on the history of the region with regards to European settlers. Where natives are mentioned it is often sparse and lacking sources. I plan to spend some time adjusting the language used in this article and expanding the history section to include more details about precolonial times. | |||
I wanted to put this section here in the talk page in advance of those changes incase anyone whose interested in this page wanted to voice any concerns with this plan or wanted to help out throughout the process. | |||
Cheers, | |||
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:I think it's a great idea. No doubt, the article skews to a eurocentric context owing to the mainstream sourcing used (which is not a criticism of any previous editors). If you are able to find good sources covering the indigenous history of the area, I think it would be great to add. *But*, I would say that a more complete history of the area should be covered in ] and even ], while this article probably should be concerned, for the most part, on the park itself and the history since its formation. ] (]) 18:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Yes, that's a great point! If I have the time/energy I may start the process of creating that page as well. For now though, I'll just plan on updating the history section of this page. ] (]) 21:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Vernal Fall
This old photograph of "Vernal Fall" might interest someone. Is it the same sight as the one pictured in the article? This angle isn't quite as dramatic. Also, the area looks more cleared out in recent photographs? Park service? Fire? Just the angle?
Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:57, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Website links in infobox
Currently, the infobox contains three links. Even assuming they all belong in the EL section, I believe the Infobox should only contain the URL to the official http://www.nps.gov/yose/index.htm per the usage guidance at Template:Infobox protected area as well as per WP:ELOFFICIAL. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- I agree 100% and have removed the websites of Yosemite Conservancy (which I support financially myself) and Delaware North (whose facilities I have patronized many times). I have no problem including them as external links. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Yosemite as part of Northern California
To avoid the issue of edit-warring, let's discuss this debate here. As our own article on Northern California notes, the counties encompassing Yosemite National Park are commonly referred to as being part of Northern California, and the park is commonly referred to in external publications as being in Northern California. For example, "Wild Northern California," a guidebook to designated wilderness in the region, includes and describes the Yosemite Wilderness. . This is likely because while Yosemite may be closer to the "geographic center" than the northern extremity, in common practice California is roughly geographically divided in half rather than in thirds. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:00, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Controlled use of fire by Ahwahneechee Native American Indians in Yosemite
I think somewhere this view should be mentioned, that the Ahwahneechee before they were killed or driven from the park would manage it with controlled fires and that many of the problems with wild fires are due to this absence of the resident humans who used to be part of the ecosystem there. Perhaps a short summary of this article could be a starting point for it?
Fire Over Ahwahnee: John Muir and the Decline of Yosemite
Robert Walker (talk) 23:33, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Confusing redirects
The Yosemite Park and Curry Company redirect is targeted at this page, whereas the effectively identical Yosemite Park & Curry Company is redirected to the Ahwahnee Hotel. Could someone who knows about this sort out that mess? (I'm posting an identical note in the talk section of the latter page, too.) MrRedwood (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- Meanwhile, Curry Company doesn't even have a page, and isn't a redirect to anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrRedwood (talk • contribs) 23:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
History: "first to tour the area"
"In 1855, entrepreneur James Mason Hutchings, artist Thomas Ayres and two others were the first to tour the area." This needs clarification, because indigenous people clearly "tour the area" long before any Europeans entered N America. Acwilson9 (talk) 04:29, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- Not necessarily.
- If the reader doesn't know that, besides parts of the polar regions, there aren't many places on the planet that hadn't seen a human by 1855 (and most of them remote islands), the preceding section begins: "Yosemite Valley has been inhabited for nearly 3,000 years, although humans may have first visited the area as long as 8,000 to 10,000 years ago."
- Nobody would say that Native Americans "toured the area". They didn't "tour" anything.
- How best to clarify? "First Europeans"? Hutchings had apparently been an American citizen since 1848, and Ayres was born in New Jersey. "First people of European descent"? "First white people"? "First non-natives"? In any case, strict adherence to WP:V would require source support, and the cited source, being a book, is not easily accessible. So you'd have to go find a copy of the book or another reliable source that says what you want the article to say.
- There is such a thing as "over-accuracy" – i.e., accuracy that is unnecessary and tends to hinder reading comprehension. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Superintendent
Any interest in a having a sentence mention the national park's superintendent? Cindy Muldoon was named yesterday as the park's new superintendent, becoming just the second woman to hold the position. I think it's worthy of inclusion, and I'm happy to post it if there's consensus. https://www.sfchronicle.com/nation/article/Yosemite-gets-new-superintendent-in-bid-for-15678961.php Pistongrinder (talk) 19:18, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
FA criteria
There is significant unsourced content in the article, including no less than 27 {{citation needed}} tags. The article will need better referencing in order to remain a featured article. (t · c) buidhe 21:44, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- MONGO, Mav is no longer editing, might you be interested in bringing this back to standard? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:00, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- I will have to put it in cue. Would like to see it updated but not sure I have time. I'll try.--MONGO (talk) 04:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- I like chasing down references. I'll take a crack at it. — hike395 (talk) 04:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- I'm willing to work on it too. Pistongrinder (talk) 19:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Hike395, @Pistongrinder, @MONGO: can I bring this to FAR, or do you still plan to work on this in the medium-term? FemkeMilene (talk) 18:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm willing to work on it too. Pistongrinder (talk) 19:30, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- I like chasing down references. I'll take a crack at it. — hike395 (talk) 04:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
- I will have to put it in cue. Would like to see it updated but not sure I have time. I'll try.--MONGO (talk) 04:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for reminding me. I'll get back to work on it. — hike395 (talk) 00:54, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Hike395, Pistongrinder, and MONGO: still interested in working on this? Z1720 (talk) 22:05, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- I appreciate the reminder, @Z1720. I'll have some time next week to work on researching and adding appropriate citations to the article. Pistongrinder (talk) 16:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Awesome. Feel free to ping me when improvements are complete and I will conduct a more thorough review. Z1720 (talk) 18:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- I've added several citations to the article over the last few weeks as you can see in the history section, but I'm not finished yet. There are still a dozen or so more tags to tackle. This is just an update to say that I'm still working on them. Pistongrinder (talk) 15:44, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- Awesome. Feel free to ping me when improvements are complete and I will conduct a more thorough review. Z1720 (talk) 18:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- I appreciate the reminder, @Z1720. I'll have some time next week to work on researching and adding appropriate citations to the article. Pistongrinder (talk) 16:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Disputing the origin of the name Yosemite and "grizzy bear"
In the Etymology section, it is stated that the name Yosemite "itself is from the Native American word 'uzumate,' which meant grizzly bear", which was taken from the source https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/travel/national-parks/the-origins-of-place-names-in-yosemite/
However, from another source http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/origin_of_word_yosemite.html, it is explained that this name was a mistake. The one who named the National Park, Mr. L. H. Bunnell, heard the story from Major James Savage, who had a conversation with Chief Ten-ei-ya and mistakenly interpreted Ten-ei-ya. It is further explained in http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/discovery_of_the_yosemite/04.html#page_63 that Ten-ei-ya was describing his band, which consisted of the outlaws and refugrees from other tribes, is called "grizzy bear", but not the area itself. The word "uzumate" (bear) and "yosemite" (killer), although sound similar to those who is not familiar with Miwok language, are totally distinct to native speaker in Miwok .
Therefore it is not persuasive to use the explanation provided by the Hachette Book Group. I recommend a discussion and revision (if applicable) on this section.
BrainchildHo🧠👶Ho 💬 08:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
1. Erwin G. Gudde, California Place Names, 1949, s.v.
2. Indiana University Publications in Anthropology and Linguistics, Memoir 6 of the International Journal of American Linguistics, 1951.
"Indigenous peoples' presence post war and since"
This section is rather garbled and is fundamentally incorrect in saying that there were four major evictions. In fact by 1969 only a few houses in the "Indian village" remained, solely occupied by park employees and their families who were relocated to other employee housing. The fundamental relationship in the National Park era between employment by the National Park and the right to reside the "Indian villages" is completely ignored. Eldomtom2 (talk) 15:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Updating this article's European centric history
I noticed that much of this article's descriptions of the history of the region of Yosemite is focused on the history of the region with regards to European settlers. Where natives are mentioned it is often sparse and lacking sources. I plan to spend some time adjusting the language used in this article and expanding the history section to include more details about precolonial times.
I wanted to put this section here in the talk page in advance of those changes incase anyone whose interested in this page wanted to voice any concerns with this plan or wanted to help out throughout the process.
Cheers, Skoulikomirmigotripa (talk) 17:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's a great idea. No doubt, the article skews to a eurocentric context owing to the mainstream sourcing used (which is not a criticism of any previous editors). If you are able to find good sources covering the indigenous history of the area, I think it would be great to add. *But*, I would say that a more complete history of the area should be covered in History of the Yosemite area and even Yosemite Valley, while this article probably should be concerned, for the most part, on the park itself and the history since its formation. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 18:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a great point! If I have the time/energy I may start the process of creating that page as well. For now though, I'll just plan on updating the history section of this page. Skoulikomirmigotripa (talk) 21:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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