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== Fictophilia is not considered a paraphilia, according to the source cited. ==
== "Transvestophila" name change ==


The source does not specify that fictoromanticism or fictophilia is considered a psychological paraphilia. In fact, it states that it is currently not listed as one of these, and that not enough is known to consider it one. This entry should be removed from the list of paraphilias.
I have no clue where the name "Transvestophilia" came from, but Transgender people are not Transvestites, so the term to describe fetishism towards Transgender people should be something more along the lines of "Transgendophilia" <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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== Pictophilia ==
"Second, the present intention is not to propose fictophilia as a problem or a disorder. At the time of writing, fictophilia is not recognized or proposed as a specific diagnostic condition by the World Health Organization (ICD-11) or the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-5) (but see ‘paraphilia’ in both manuals). Our findings do not indicate a need to change the current state of affairs. ] (]) 20:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


== Transvestophilia ==
It is medical folklore from bygone days. Diagnosing someone with pictophilia is malpractice. Otherwise ] that about three quarters of US men feeling sexual needs are paraphiles, and so it is the majority of US population which feels sexual needs. In such light, pictophilia is a laughable diagnosis.


The description for it shouldn't be "A cross-dressing partner", considering it redirects to "Attraction to transgender people". Cross-dressing doesnt make you trans. I think that either this should have the description changed, or make a new section thing for it ] (]) 01:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
What about negative effects or being addicted? ] has never been shown to exist. And the obsessive compulsive diagnosis makes it redundant.


== Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2024 ==
DSM-5 code for pornography use? Not any. ICD-10 code for pornography use? Not any. ICD-11 code for pornography use? Not any. So, of course it isn't paraphilia. There is a code for OCD, there is none for pictophilia.


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On page 705 of DSM-5, pictophilia would have been the most obvious paraphilia to mention, but it did not get mentioned.
According to the alphabetical style of this list, underneath the existing entry for "sophophilia" and above the entry for "sthenolagnia" I request the addition of "splanchnophilia." The definition of this word is "a sexual arousal in response to viscera and internal organs." While this paraphilia is very uncommon, it does exist, and was used by forensic psychiatrist "Dr. Park Dietz" in reference to Jeffrey Dahmer. ] (]) 19:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 20:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
::https://journals.charlotte.edu/urj/article/view/1096/1155
:: ] (]) 01:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)


== Spectrophilia ==
That would have solved the whole dispute about the existence of the porn addiction. There is no consensus that porn addiction exists. ] (]) 15:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
:A lot of these aren't mentioned by name in the DSM, to my knowledge. That can still be named as paraphilias in the scientific literature, even if not a specific diagnosis. And even though some attractions are very common, an extreme, paraphilic version can still exist. We list mazophilia even though heterosexual men typically find breasts attractive, for example. You need to cite sources specifically about pictophilia to change that text. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 04:53, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
::{{tq|The American Psychiatric Association, in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fifth Edition (DSM), draws a distinction between paraphilias (which it describes as atypical sexual interests) and paraphilic disorders (which additionally require the experience of distress or impairment in functioning).}}
::So, you see, pictophilia means that 70%-80% of all US men feeling sexual needs are pictophiles, but only a tiny minority of them suffer of pictophilic disorder. ] (]) 22:36, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
:::No, it means that pictophilia is a focus on pornography to an extreme degree. That would be an atypical sexual interest. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 23:04, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


Why isn't ] in the list? ] (]) 23:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
== should autogynephilia be removed? ==

Autogynephilia is the paraphilia in which a male is attracted to himself as a woman in my opinion this should be removed because it pseudo science used to justify transphobia.

the term autogynephilia cam from a study done in the 1980s where the reserchers claimed that there are two types of transgender people "homosexual transvestic men" and "autogynephiles" (they seemed to be unaware of transmen and non-binary people). They claimed that autogynephiles are men who have gender dysphoria that are attracted to woman the "evidence" for this is that "autogynephiles" fantasize about having sex as a woman but if someone sees themself as a woman then they would fantasize about being a woman so it's not a paraphilia. The study was controversial even when it first came out and no reputable phycological organizations (world health organization, American physiatrist association, and others) recognize this model of transgenderism. I think "autogynephiles" are just lesbian and bisexual transwoman who are labeled as sexaully perverted to make them seem invalid

What are you guys opinions? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:One has to distinguish the concept of autogynephilia itself from the hypothesis that it can cause gender dysphoria and transgender identity. While the latter is controversial, the former is not so much. In fact, autogynephilia is mentioned in the DSM-5 in the context of ]. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 04:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

== Suggested add ==

]. ] (]) 09:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
: You misunderstand the distinction between a ] and a ]. ] (]) 16:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

== Attraction towards trans people is not a paraphilia ==

Stating that attraction towards trans men or trans women is a paraphilia is pretty obviously transphobic. Attraction towards, say, intersex people isn’t included which suggests that attraction towards trans people is some sort of fetish, which is very transphobic rhetoric. ] (]) 03:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

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A revert I'm unhappy with

I added the following at the outset: Recently-coined names for paraphilias (abasiophilia, algolagnia, etc.) typically have a Greek origin.

This was reverted by EvergreenFir because it was not documented.

Documentation is not required for items easily verifiable. Anyone who goes to a dictionary can see these terms are coined from Greek. Is a source saying so really required?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deisenbe (talkcontribs)

Fictophilia is not considered a paraphilia, according to the source cited.

The source does not specify that fictoromanticism or fictophilia is considered a psychological paraphilia. In fact, it states that it is currently not listed as one of these, and that not enough is known to consider it one. This entry should be removed from the list of paraphilias.

Source text: "Second, the present intention is not to propose fictophilia as a problem or a disorder. At the time of writing, fictophilia is not recognized or proposed as a specific diagnostic condition by the World Health Organization (ICD-11) or the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-5) (but see ‘paraphilia’ in both manuals). Our findings do not indicate a need to change the current state of affairs. GrilledSoup (talk) 20:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Transvestophilia

The description for it shouldn't be "A cross-dressing partner", considering it redirects to "Attraction to transgender people". Cross-dressing doesnt make you trans. I think that either this should have the description changed, or make a new section thing for it Smirkjuice (talk) 01:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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According to the alphabetical style of this list, underneath the existing entry for "sophophilia" and above the entry for "sthenolagnia" I request the addition of "splanchnophilia." The definition of this word is "a sexual arousal in response to viscera and internal organs." While this paraphilia is very uncommon, it does exist, and was used by forensic psychiatrist "Dr. Park Dietz" in reference to Jeffrey Dahmer. Kibblecat (talk) 19:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 20:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
https://journals.charlotte.edu/urj/article/view/1096/1155
https://www.zimbardo.com/splanchnophilia-psychology-definition-history-examples/#:~:text=Splanchnophilia%20is%20a%20psychological%20condition,another%20person's%20internal%20bodily%20structures. Kibblecat (talk) 01:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Spectrophilia

Why isn't spectrophilia in the list? 2601:282:1C02:5700:0:0:0:D488 (talk) 23:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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