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== Primary sourcing == |
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== membership? == |
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it would be good to have at least some gauges of size in the box at the top of the article, even if vague and/or outdated as is the case with the AWD article. Without a measure of size the NRM could either be an almost non-existent, irrelevant phantom “network” of people that claim its name, like Niners (the Order of Nine Angles), or a more relevant/fanatic/monolithic National Socialist political presence such as Rusich group. |
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{{ping|Gooduserdude}} I don't believe that ''anything'' on this website should be sourced to any Nazi publication or outlet but I don't see how I could put that into practice on this page. My concern regarding the edit I reverted is more specific: it's the only thing on this article that's sourced to this organization's own website, which per ] is rarely allowed. The first requirement at that policy section says that if a primary source is used, it must be "''reputably published''" and I bet I'd have no problem compiling dozens, hundreds, ''thousands'' of lies, inflammatory statements, and attacks on that website to prove it's no such thing. |
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A claimed consensus figure could be good, though of course Misplaced Pages standards would mean making it clear that it’s (claimed) membership. |
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I don’t see a reason why NRM would lie about it’s proliferation as the dichotomy is as a Radical “Extremist” movement: |
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• highballing your membership makes it out like you have a bunch of lackey members and just sit inactive all day like Sonnenkreig (if SKD even exists beyond a few 2018 Discord teenagers) |
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• lowballing your membership makes it out like you’re close-knit, which isn’t a good look for a variety of reasons. |
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NRM does seem quite divided in ideology but it’s obviously National Socialist. Its members sipped and are sipping the waffen (and more obscurely, Niner?) ice tea but it seems more like 00s vanguard just-wait-for-the-system-to-collapse-itself National Socialism than Orthodox waffen accelerationist. At least the majority of its members. ] (]) 11:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:You have some source vis a vis membership size in mind?] (]) 11:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== NRM is not a terrorist organisation in finland == |
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Would you agree to revert this change until a source without an obvious connection to this organization can be found? <b style="font-family: Segoe Script;">'']]]''</b> 20:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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NRM’s finnish branch PVL pohjoismainen vastarinta liike is illegal but they don’t exist anymore because they were disolved by court order the non finnish branches of the organization are not considered illegal or security threats by finnish authorities ] (]) 10:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::yes i agree am removing evrything from the Nazis' website ] (]) 21:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:It is not important that it was dissolved, if the court order is still in force. More importantly, I do not see anything in the source that says it was declared a terrorist organization. It was proscribed for a number of reason but terrorism isn't mentioned. ] (]) 10:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC) |
it would be good to have at least some gauges of size in the box at the top of the article, even if vague and/or outdated as is the case with the AWD article. Without a measure of size the NRM could either be an almost non-existent, irrelevant phantom “network” of people that claim its name, like Niners (the Order of Nine Angles), or a more relevant/fanatic/monolithic National Socialist political presence such as Rusich group.
A claimed consensus figure could be good, though of course Misplaced Pages standards would mean making it clear that it’s (claimed) membership.
I don’t see a reason why NRM would lie about it’s proliferation as the dichotomy is as a Radical “Extremist” movement:
• highballing your membership makes it out like you have a bunch of lackey members and just sit inactive all day like Sonnenkreig (if SKD even exists beyond a few 2018 Discord teenagers)
• lowballing your membership makes it out like you’re close-knit, which isn’t a good look for a variety of reasons.
NRM does seem quite divided in ideology but it’s obviously National Socialist. Its members sipped and are sipping the waffen (and more obscurely, Niner?) ice tea but it seems more like 00s vanguard just-wait-for-the-system-to-collapse-itself National Socialism than Orthodox waffen accelerationist. At least the majority of its members. 2A00:23C6:D603:8001:A0:E6E4:FE98:D178 (talk) 11:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
NRM’s finnish branch PVL pohjoismainen vastarinta liike is illegal but they don’t exist anymore because they were disolved by court order the non finnish branches of the organization are not considered illegal or security threats by finnish authorities 193.210.194.118 (talk) 10:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
