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== Should be protected? ==
A search through the archives over at ] shows that ] is considered a reliable source, and the fact that an editor doesn't agree with the points raised falls into the ] category. Rather if the points are contested - find a source that backs up your theory, rather than just removing it because you don't like it.


Reverted a defacement claiming it was a 'documentary'. How do I propose locking a page? ] (]) 20:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Yes, it is an opinion put forward in an article, but so Etan Cohen and David Berry's - the article in this case even uses the term "opinion" when referring to the latter. Sorry that the source isn't to your liking, but that's life. Please discuss here, rather than edit-warring to try and get your way. ] (]) 13:38, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


:] is over thataway, but FWIW when I look at the edit history I'm not seeing a very strong case for protecting it at this time. Cheers. ] (]) 02:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
:Agreed. The source is reliable and the stated opinion is valid as an opinion, whether we agree with it or not. ---<font face="Georgia">''']'''</font><font face="Courier New"><sub>'']''</sub></font> 14:36, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


== Character list ==
:The source can be referenced with in-text attribution. However, per ], I would suggest avoiding "accused". Furthermore, it would help to reference similar commentary about eugenics and classism. Regarding eugenics, it appears that Gizmodo and ''Vice'' have also written about this aspect of the film. ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) <sup>(])</sup> 18:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
::If you're referring to the discussion above, it wasn't "an editor", it was three editors. And just because Salon is a reliable source, a free pass isn't created for every op-ed piece to be included. Your local newspaper is most likely a reliable source, but a letter to the editor or "guest opinion" doesn't become reliable simply because they print it. Claiming reliability simply because of where it was printed is overly simplistic. ] (]) 21:47, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I only count two editors, one of whose rationale for removal included use of the phrase ''"Fuck your Nevertheless. Fuck you all, leftist cunts"'' - powerful argument indeed.
:::To compare Adam Johnson to a letter to the editor or "guest opinion" is inaccurate - Johnson has written over 20 articles for Salon, and as Salon has editorial control over content and has been praised by other online media - ''"Salon.com Wins Credibility Online With Intelligent and Stylish Content"'' - in this case it seems reasonable to assume that if it's printed, it's reliable. ] (]) 17:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:*Sorry, I was referring to something else when I mentioned that is was more than one editor. And yes, I would consider this an op-ed piece. It was originally published at Alternet and it's written in the first person. ] (]) 17:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
::*No one is trying to write, "The film supports eugenics," full stop. It is an opinionated statement, and there is ] that ]s the quote. As I mentioned, two other sources have similar comments and can also be included (also with in-text attribution). ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) <sup>(])</sup> 22:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: I read the article as warning and an indictment of the left particularly this: {{cquote|wielding "Idiocracy" as a kind of political shorthand for a new, and therefore meaningful, shift in our political climate is both inaccurate and politically toxic for the left.}}
:::: I edited the text slightly and moved the article so that it was with the other Trump Era '''Commentary''' and not in the Critical response section. -- ] (]) 22:32, 29 August 2019 (UTC)


Why do the characters' descriptions describe their positions at the end of the movie? ] (]) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
== Marlon Brawndo ==


== Categorize under Films about time travel ==
* https://www.avclub.com/thomas-haden-church-has-never-seen-hellboy-or-idiocracy-1837051681/
CEO of Brawndo was named ] but it wasn't properly includded in the end credits. Maybe this could go in the cast section or Production section. -- ] (]) 15:32, 14 August 2019 (UTC)


While there is no ''actual'' time travel in Idiocracy, it is an important part of the plot and a prevalent theme of the film. The phrase "time machine" is currently used in the article four times.
== Trump era ==
Given that ] is described as listing "the titles of films that include the theme of time travel," Idiocracy belongs in the category. ] (]) 14:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)


:It's difficult for me to believe that that category is intended to include films in which no time travel occurs. That said, are there other films within that category that feature no time travel? ] (]) 17:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
The topic of Idiocracy has come up in the news quite often during the era of Trump. There were multiple sources and this was added but removed from the . It might need some review and improvement but I don't think it should have been and I think it should be restored and improved. -- ] (]) 21:52, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
::I don't know if there are others in the list that don't include time travel (or only include suspended animation). But I don't see how that should exclude a film from a list, given that the list is described as "This category lists the titles of films that include the theme of time travel." If that description is inadequate, and the category should only include films in which time travel occurs, then maybe the description should be revised. Though, of course, then we'd really want to be sure that there are no others on the list, and that's not really the subject to discus here.
: ]. It was a bold move to delete it but deleted content doesn't get discussed so I've reverted and I'm asking for discussion. Too many sources and a paragraph of text were deleted without discussion. -- ] (]) 22:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
::I just wanted to mention that Idiocracy takes the #2 spot on .

::It also makes top 10 in a poll of . That's user generated, but shows that many people think of Idiocracy as a time travel movie.
== Political Bias ==
::And it's #9 in . ] (]) 03:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The section of Commentary seems to state in a factual manner that Trump's policies mirror ineffective and unintellectual themes of Idiocracy, rather than clarifying that that is what the article in question is making claim to. I believe this needs to be reworded to accurately reflect it is an opinion, not factual, in order to follow Misplaced Pages's guidelines on neutrality. ] (]) 02:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC) :::If another reasonably experienced editor chimes in supporting the inclusion of the category (you're welcome to consider asking at ], I won't push back against it, but until that time I maintain that time travel isn't so much a theme of the film as it is a plot device used to get to the point in time that the majority of the plot focuses upon. ] (]) 05:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'll try asking there. But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time. ] (]) 13:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::FWIW, I agree with you that the underlying issue may be that the category itself needs clarification. But I see we're now discussing at ] (though it might have been better to link to this discussion), and will continue the discussion there. ] (]) 16:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
: I'd say it is pretty cautiously worded already "others expressed opinions". I edited the bit about the Salon.com article to make it more neutral since the author of that article was warning the left against making simplistic comparisons that would alienate people, so that should be providing a counterpoint but perhaps it needs to rephrased again to make it clearer. Maybe the article should explain that Trump is in the ] (and incidentally ] is not).
::::::I guess the question is... is sleeping really time travel? Is the story of Rip Van Winkle time travel? Is the story of Sleeping Beauty time travel? Futurama... is kind of borderline, as Fry sleeps due to a cryogenic accident (later ] to have been intentionally caused by an alien, Nibbler, who knew they needed Fry in the future to prevent destruction), but also because in it the professor actually invents real time travel. My initial feeling is that Idiocracy isn't really a time travel film, especially as the time travel isn't intentional -- it was only supposed to be a short-term experiment.. waking up in the distant future is due to a comedy of errors and neglect. ] (]) 19:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
: I can understand that because the section includes many left wing opinions it might seem biased but I do think it is accurately presenting those left wing opinions in a fair way.
:::::::Again, I don't think the suspended animation is what makes Idiocracy a time travel film. As I said above:
: What if any specific changes to the wording would you suggest? -- ] (]) 00:25, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
:::::::"But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. ''It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time.''" ] (]) 20:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Should be protected?

Reverted a defacement claiming it was a 'documentary'. How do I propose locking a page? Fredirc (talk) 20:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is over thataway, but FWIW when I look at the edit history I'm not seeing a very strong case for protecting it at this time. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 02:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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Why do the characters' descriptions describe their positions at the end of the movie? Daytman (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Categorize under Films about time travel

While there is no actual time travel in Idiocracy, it is an important part of the plot and a prevalent theme of the film. The phrase "time machine" is currently used in the article four times. Given that Category:Films about time travel is described as listing "the titles of films that include the theme of time travel," Idiocracy belongs in the category. FriendlyPedant (talk) 14:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

It's difficult for me to believe that that category is intended to include films in which no time travel occurs. That said, are there other films within that category that feature no time travel? DonIago (talk) 17:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
I don't know if there are others in the list that don't include time travel (or only include suspended animation). But I don't see how that should exclude a film from a list, given that the list is described as "This category lists the titles of films that include the theme of time travel." If that description is inadequate, and the category should only include films in which time travel occurs, then maybe the description should be revised. Though, of course, then we'd really want to be sure that there are no others on the list, and that's not really the subject to discus here.
I just wanted to mention that Idiocracy takes the #2 spot on The Guardian's 2023 top 20 list of time travel movies.
It also makes top 10 in a poll of time travel comedies on IMDB. That's user generated, but shows that many people think of Idiocracy as a time travel movie.
And it's #9 in Screen Rant's 2023 top 15 time travel movies list. FriendlyPedant (talk) 03:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
If another reasonably experienced editor chimes in supporting the inclusion of the category (you're welcome to consider asking at WT:FILM, I won't push back against it, but until that time I maintain that time travel isn't so much a theme of the film as it is a plot device used to get to the point in time that the majority of the plot focuses upon. DonIago (talk) 05:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
I'll try asking there. But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time. FriendlyPedant (talk) 13:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
FWIW, I agree with you that the underlying issue may be that the category itself needs clarification. But I see we're now discussing at WT:FILM (though it might have been better to link to this discussion), and will continue the discussion there. DonIago (talk) 16:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
I guess the question is... is sleeping really time travel? Is the story of Rip Van Winkle time travel? Is the story of Sleeping Beauty time travel? Futurama... is kind of borderline, as Fry sleeps due to a cryogenic accident (later retconned to have been intentionally caused by an alien, Nibbler, who knew they needed Fry in the future to prevent destruction), but also because in it the professor actually invents real time travel. My initial feeling is that Idiocracy isn't really a time travel film, especially as the time travel isn't intentional -- it was only supposed to be a short-term experiment.. waking up in the distant future is due to a comedy of errors and neglect. Centerone (talk) 19:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Again, I don't think the suspended animation is what makes Idiocracy a time travel film. As I said above:
"But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time." FriendlyPedant (talk) 20:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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