Talk:Idiocracy: Difference between revisions

Browse history interactively ← Previous editContent deleted Content addedVisual WikitextInline

Revision as of 15:42, 9 December 2020 edit2600:1003:b863:4850:0:53:810e:e901 (talk) →Legacy ← Previous edit		Latest revision as of 20:58, 8 October 2024 edit undoCenterone (talk \| contribs)Extended confirmed users1,733 editsm →Categorize under Films about time travel: adding a bracket to my own comment
(44 intermediate revisions by 24 users not shown)
Line 1:		Line 1:
	{{~~Talkheader~~}}		{{Talk header}}
			{{WikiProject banner shell\|class=B\|1=
	{{WikiProjectBannerShell\|1=
	{{WikiProject Film\|American-task-force~~=yes\|class=C\|B-Class-1=no\|B-Class-2=yes\|B-Class-3=no\|B-Class-4=no\|B-Class-5~~=yes}}		{{WikiProject Film\|American-task-force=yes}}
	{{WikiProject Science Fiction~~\|class=C\|type=Article~~\|importance=~~low~~}}		{{WikiProject Science Fiction\|importance=Low}}
	{{WikiProject Comedy~~\|class=C~~\|importance=~~mid~~}}		{{WikiProject Comedy\|importance=Mid}}
			{{WikiProject 20th Century Studios \|importance=Low}}
			{{WikiProject United States\|importance=Low\|USfilm=yes\|USfilm-importance=low}}
	}}		}}
	{{To do}}		{{To do}}
	{{User:MiszaBot/config		{{User:MiszaBot/config
	\| algo = old(90d)		\| algo = old(90d)
	\| archive = Talk:Idiocracy/Archive %(counter)d		\| archive = Talk:Idiocracy/Archive %(counter
			Water )d
	\| counter = 2		\| counter = 2
	\| maxarchivesize = 150K		\| maxarchivesize = 150K
Line 15:		Line 18:
	\| minthreadsleft = 2		\| minthreadsleft = 2
	}}		}}
	{{Auto archiving notice\|=Lowercase sigmabot III\|age= \|units= 90 days}}

			== A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion ==
	== Table to prose ==
			The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
			* ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: discussion \| 2022-12-12T18:22:37.961162 \| Idiocracy (30639266695).jpg -->
			Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 18:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

			== Should be protected? ==
	I'm just going to note here that the article would be greatly improved by changing the table in the Box office section to ]. I'm not ready to do it myself yet, and I don't want to slap a big ugly ] tag on it, so I mention it here in case anyone is feeling enthusiastic and might do it before I eventually get around to it. -- ] (]) 13:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

			Reverted a defacement claiming it was a 'documentary'. How do I propose locking a page? ] (]) 20:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
	== Legacy ==

			:] is over thataway, but FWIW when I look at the edit history I'm not seeing a very strong case for protecting it at this time. Cheers. ] (]) 02:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
	The whole Legacy section is leftist gibberish and a good example of the POV problem that plagues Misplaced Pages. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Character list ==
	: You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. The fact is it happened, many leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film made comparisons between this film and Trump and this was all reported in ] publications. Take a look at ] and enjoy the Trump references in that article instead. -- ] (]) 04:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

			Why do the characters' descriptions describe their positions at the end of the movie? ] (]) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
	:So yes, it is a "fact" that some Hollywood people and leftist commentators have political opinions. This is a common journalistic technique in use today—reporting someone's political narrative (i.e., opinion) and claiming it as a fact in the sense that the person actually said it. Is it really surprising or notable that leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film (i.e., Hollywood types) made comparisons between this film and Trump? I don't think so. IMHO, the Legacy section is merely promoting a political narrative that Trump and his supporters are idiots, and I don't think the section is appropriate for this Misplaced Pages article. —] (]) 12:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
	:: It received substantial coverage and was picked up by various publications which Misplaced Pages considers notable. There are more than enough reasons to justify it being there.
	:: The section even includes a commentator who took the point and chastised leftists for being so simplistic about it. You can criticize the comparison but when various commentators including the filmmakers have made such comparisons you can't ignore it or exclude it.
	:: Perhaps the section title "Legacy" sounds too serious but it is not meant to be and that section title is used across various film articles (other potential section titles like "Influence" end up not sounding serious enough)
	:: There's room for improvement and I'd prefer if the section had other references, and think the film was mentioned in politics in other contexts too, but unfortunately I haven't found sources that might allow me to broaden the scope of the section. -- ] (]) 22:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

			== Categorize under Films about time travel ==
	:::I do agree that it is leftist gibberish because the articles mentioned come from leftist sources. However, since the advent of Obama, people on the right have been using Idiocracy in their opinions for years. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			While there is no ''actual'' time travel in Idiocracy, it is an important part of the plot and a prevalent theme of the film. The phrase "time machine" is currently used in the article four times.
			Given that ] is described as listing "the titles of films that include the theme of time travel," Idiocracy belongs in the category. ] (]) 14:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

			:It's difficult for me to believe that that category is intended to include films in which no time travel occurs. That said, are there other films within that category that feature no time travel? ] (]) 17:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
			::I don't know if there are others in the list that don't include time travel (or only include suspended animation). But I don't see how that should exclude a film from a list, given that the list is described as "This category lists the titles of films that include the theme of time travel." If that description is inadequate, and the category should only include films in which time travel occurs, then maybe the description should be revised. Though, of course, then we'd really want to be sure that there are no others on the list, and that's not really the subject to discus here.
			::I just wanted to mention that Idiocracy takes the #2 spot on .
			::It also makes top 10 in a poll of . That's user generated, but shows that many people think of Idiocracy as a time travel movie.
			::And it's #9 in . ] (]) 03:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::If another reasonably experienced editor chimes in supporting the inclusion of the category (you're welcome to consider asking at ], I won't push back against it, but until that time I maintain that time travel isn't so much a theme of the film as it is a plot device used to get to the point in time that the majority of the plot focuses upon. ] (]) 05:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			::::I'll try asking there. But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time. ] (]) 13:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::::FWIW, I agree with you that the underlying issue may be that the category itself needs clarification. But I see we're now discussing at ] (though it might have been better to link to this discussion), and will continue the discussion there. ] (]) 16:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			::::::I guess the question is... is sleeping really time travel? Is the story of Rip Van Winkle time travel? Is the story of Sleeping Beauty time travel? Futurama... is kind of borderline, as Fry sleeps due to a cryogenic accident (later ] to have been intentionally caused by an alien, Nibbler, who knew they needed Fry in the future to prevent destruction), but also because in it the professor actually invents real time travel. My initial feeling is that Idiocracy isn't really a time travel film, especially as the time travel isn't intentional -- it was only supposed to be a short-term experiment.. waking up in the distant future is due to a comedy of errors and neglect. ] (]) 19:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::Again, I don't think the suspended animation is what makes Idiocracy a time travel film. As I said above:
			:::::::"But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. ''It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time.''" ] (]) 20:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:58, 8 October 2024

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Idiocracy article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Misplaced Pages? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2Auto-archiving period: 3 months

This article is rated B-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Film: American

	Film portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Film. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see lists of open tasks and regional and topical task forces. To use this banner, please refer to the documentation. To improve this article, please refer to the guidelines.FilmWikipedia:WikiProject FilmTemplate:WikiProject Filmfilm
	This article is supported by the American cinema task force.

Science Fiction Low‑importance

	Speculative fiction portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Science Fiction, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of science fiction on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Science FictionWikipedia:WikiProject Science FictionTemplate:WikiProject Science Fictionscience fiction
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Comedy Mid‑importance

	Comedy portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Comedy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of comedy on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ComedyWikipedia:WikiProject ComedyTemplate:WikiProject ComedyComedy
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

20th Century Studios Low‑importance

	20th Century Studios portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject 20th Century Studios, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 20th Century Studios and its affiliated companies on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.20th Century StudiosWikipedia:WikiProject 20th Century StudiosTemplate:WikiProject 20th Century Studios20th Century Studios
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States: Cinema Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.

United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article is supported by WikiProject Film - American cinema task force (assessed as Low-importance).

To-do list for Idiocracy: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2007-04-12

There are no active tasks for this page

Add a few small screenshots to illustrate the plot.
Expand the review section including the reviewers' analysis of the film.
Somehow dig up more production details - FilmFX?

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Idiocracy (30639266695).jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 18:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Should be protected?

Reverted a defacement claiming it was a 'documentary'. How do I propose locking a page? Fredirc (talk) 20:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is over thataway, but FWIW when I look at the edit history I'm not seeing a very strong case for protecting it at this time. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 02:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Character list

Why do the characters' descriptions describe their positions at the end of the movie? Daytman (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Categorize under Films about time travel

While there is no actual time travel in Idiocracy, it is an important part of the plot and a prevalent theme of the film. The phrase "time machine" is currently used in the article four times. Given that Category:Films about time travel is described as listing "the titles of films that include the theme of time travel," Idiocracy belongs in the category. FriendlyPedant (talk) 14:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

It's difficult for me to believe that that category is intended to include films in which no time travel occurs. That said, are there other films within that category that feature no time travel? DonIago (talk) 17:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if there are others in the list that don't include time travel (or only include suspended animation). But I don't see how that should exclude a film from a list, given that the list is described as "This category lists the titles of films that include the theme of time travel." If that description is inadequate, and the category should only include films in which time travel occurs, then maybe the description should be revised. Though, of course, then we'd really want to be sure that there are no others on the list, and that's not really the subject to discus here.

I just wanted to mention that Idiocracy takes the #2 spot on The Guardian's 2023 top 20 list of time travel movies.

It also makes top 10 in a poll of time travel comedies on IMDB. That's user generated, but shows that many people think of Idiocracy as a time travel movie.

And it's #9 in Screen Rant's 2023 top 15 time travel movies list. FriendlyPedant (talk) 03:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

If another reasonably experienced editor chimes in supporting the inclusion of the category (you're welcome to consider asking at WT:FILM, I won't push back against it, but until that time I maintain that time travel isn't so much a theme of the film as it is a plot device used to get to the point in time that the majority of the plot focuses upon. DonIago (talk) 05:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll try asking there. But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time. FriendlyPedant (talk) 13:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, I agree with you that the underlying issue may be that the category itself needs clarification. But I see we're now discussing at WT:FILM (though it might have been better to link to this discussion), and will continue the discussion there. DonIago (talk) 16:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I guess the question is... is sleeping really time travel? Is the story of Rip Van Winkle time travel? Is the story of Sleeping Beauty time travel? Futurama... is kind of borderline, as Fry sleeps due to a cryogenic accident (later retconned to have been intentionally caused by an alien, Nibbler, who knew they needed Fry in the future to prevent destruction), but also because in it the professor actually invents real time travel. My initial feeling is that Idiocracy isn't really a time travel film, especially as the time travel isn't intentional -- it was only supposed to be a short-term experiment.. waking up in the distant future is due to a comedy of errors and neglect. Centerone (talk) 19:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Again, I don't think the suspended animation is what makes Idiocracy a time travel film. As I said above:

"But just to clarify for anyone else reading this, my argument is not that it should be included because time travel (actually, suspended animation) is a "plot device used to get to the point in time." If that were all, I would agree that it's not a time travel movie. It's because once they're in the future, they spend a majority of the film on an adventure trying to go back in time." FriendlyPedant (talk) 20:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Categories: