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== officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) == | |||
== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 October 2023 == | |||
⚫ | I think the term "officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is wrong as the island of Cyprus is still under Turkish occupation and Officially not recognised as a country, only by the Turkish government which are the military force still occupying the northern part of Cyprus. | ||
{{Edit extended-protected|Northern Cyprus|answered=yes}} | |||
This entry is misleading in its statement that the region is "officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". It is an illegally occupied region unrecognised by any other state so to say official is incorrect. It could be stated that the Turkish state names it as such but otherwise it's simply Cyprus. ] (]) 16:54, 31 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> The use of the word "officially" refers to its own official description of itself, unrelated to what other states recognise it as. This usage also occurs in the articles on ], ], and ]. ] (]) 10:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:The term official is wrong then as it suggests that it has a name that used internationally which doesnt occur. ] (]) 07:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
::The Republic of Turkey recognizes the TRNC, and they're both, whatever ones POV may be, sovereign and self-governing countries so the term "international" can be applied. ] (]) 20:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
⚫ | Maybe if you change it to "also known as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" would help people understand more as this is misleading to people and countries that don't know the situation. | ||
== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2024 == | |||
⚫ | I hope that a worldwide known source of information as your site would try to be neutral in all political situations and try to get the facts right. | ||
{{Edit extended-protected|Northern Cyprus|answered=yes}} | |||
I need to make a small grammar correction. ] (]) 21:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup> 23:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
⚫ | As i saw in other responses, the word "Official" is erroneous and totally misleading to false information. | ||
== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 January 2024 == | |||
⚫ | And because i know your response of <u>'''"The use of the word "officially" refers to its own official description of itself, unrelated to what other states recognise it as"'''</u>, the word '''"Official"''' is used in a formal or authoritative manner, where in this case none of that arguments are true. | ||
{{Edit extended-protected|Northern Cyprus|answered=yes}} | |||
Change (Land area) unranked to 166th and (Population) Unranked to 104th ] (]) 19:00, 21 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
⚫ | There is no formal government apart from the one the occupying force of Turkey is authorising and TRNC has no authority in the world as it is NOT recognised as a country!!! | ||
:I think it would cause quite a lot of mess since all other (smaller) countries would have to be re-ranked. ]<sub>]</sub> 20:02, 21 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
⚫ | Again, i only ask to change the word officially to something more correct as stated above. ] (]) 18:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
== Jan 31 rv == | |||
⚫ | :Officially in this sense is used to mean "what it calls itself". Same as how the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Commonwealth of Australia, and the Republic of Türkiye are the "official" names of those respective three states, but they don't actually have any ability to make you call them that and not Britain (or England), Australia, or Turkey. --] (]) 09:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC) | ||
== Please remove water percentage. == | |||
@], please explain ES: "randomly placed" in ]. Thank you. ] (]) 21:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
The water percentage of Northern Cyprus is obviously nowhere near 2.7%. The 2.7% is actually Iceland's old water percentage. . Northern Cyprus has no official water percentage, so none should be listed. ] (]) 00:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Taksim is already told in History section. You're jumping from Taksim ideology to coup d'etat which has nothing to do with eachother. ] (]) 23:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:{{Done}} ] (]) 01:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
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::::Please explain the difference? ] (]) 15:40, 2 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::Cypriot coup d'etat is the reason to Turkish intervention, not Taksim. Taksim is not the cause. You're randomly placing this. That's it. ] (]) 22:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::No source say the only reason for the invasion is the coup. Multiple sources cover Taksim and the invasion together. ] (]) 08:24, 4 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Nonsense. Even the article's lead starts with: | |||
:::::::{{tq|The Turkish invasion of Cyprus began on 20 July 1974 and progressed in two phases over the following month. Taking place upon a background of intercommunal violence between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, and in '''response to a Greek junta-sponsored Cypriot coup d'état '''five days earlier, it led to the Turkish capture and occupation of the northern part of the island.}} | |||
:::::::{{tq|The coup was ordered by the military junta in Greece and staged by the Cypriot National Guard in conjunction with EOKA B. It deposed the Cypriot president Archbishop Makarios III and installed Nikos Sampson. The aim of the coup was the union (enosis) of Cyprus with Greece, and the Hellenic Republic of Cyprus to be declared. | |||
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:::::::if you think otherwise, go edit there firt. But it's not true what you say. ] (]) 13:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::for the sake of consensus, I'll take your offer on this one. ] (]) 09:24, 6 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::] - so disappointing. ] (]) 12:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::Disappointing what? It's the lede. There is a history section. You're simply POV pushing. You don't start a sentence like "Upon a background of" on wikipedia. ] (]) 16:26, 8 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::You may have changed your mind, and it's you who brought the text. If anything, it's your POV. ] (]) 23:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== Turkish Federated State of Cyprus date should be February == | ||
Hello, currently the article's infobox states: | |||
⚫ | I think the term "officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is wrong as the island of Cyprus is still under Turkish occupation and Officially not recognised as a country, only by the Turkish government which are the military force still occupying the northern part of Cyprus. | ||
• Turkish Federated State of Cyprus | |||
⚫ | Maybe if you change it to "also known as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" would help people understand more as this is misleading to people and countries that don't know the situation. | ||
13 October 1975 | |||
⚫ | I hope that a worldwide known source of information as your site would try to be neutral in all political situations and try to get the facts right. | ||
This should be changed into 13 February 1975 which is the correct date, as can be seen on the article of the Federated State itself. I would do it myself but there's extended protection in place. Thanks. ] (]) 08:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
⚫ | As i saw in other responses, the word "Official" is erroneous and totally misleading to false information. | ||
⚫ | :{{done}} ] (]) 09:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
⚫ | And because i know your response of <u>'''"The use of the word "officially" refers to its own official description of itself, unrelated to what other states recognise it as"'''</u>, the word '''"Official"''' is used in a formal or authoritative manner, where in this case none of that arguments are true. | ||
==The legitimacy of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) is recognized worldwide (International court rulings and national court decisions of various countries)== | |||
⚫ | There is no formal government apart from the one the occupying force of Turkey is authorising and TRNC has no authority in the world as it is NOT recognised as a country!!! | ||
* '''The International Court of Justice (ICJ) Ruling on Kosovo (2010):'''<br/> | |||
⚫ | Again, i only ask to change the word officially to something more correct as stated above. ] (]) 18:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
"THERE IS NOTHING IN INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT PROHIBITS DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE, and the RECOGNITION OF A STATE IS A POLITICAL MATTER." | |||
⚫ | :Officially in this sense is used to mean "what it calls itself". Same as how the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Commonwealth of Australia, and the Republic of Türkiye are the "official" names of those respective three states, but they don't actually have any ability to make you call them that and not Britain (or England), Australia, or Turkey. --] (]) 09:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC) | ||
The United States of America (USA), in the ICJ’s 2010 Kosovo ruling, rejected the Greek Cypriot stance and issued a statement favorable to the Turkish Cypriots: | |||
Harold Hongju Koh (The USA's representative in the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo case on behalf of the USA): "The argument advanced by Cyprus against the legality of Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence is incorrect. Cyprus attempted to compare the 1244 process to the 'heartbreaking but misleading situation' of a parent sending their young child into state care, never to see them again. I argued, however, that a more accurate analogy would be the futile attempt by the state to forcibly return an adult child to an abusive home when the child no longer wishes to return, especially after the parent and child have LONG LIVED APART, and REPEATED ATTEMPTS AT RECONCILIATION HAVE REPEATEDLY FAILED. In such a case, as here, a DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE THE ONLY VALID OPTION and would undoubtedly be lawful.”<br/> | |||
https://www.icj-cij.org/public/files/case-related/141/141-20091208-ORA-01-00-BI.pdf (Page38; Paragraph40) | |||
Accordingly, the US Federal Court (on 9 October 2014) declared the TRNC as a "democratic republic with a president, a prime minister, a legislative body, and a judiciary." | |||
In the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo ruling, ICJ Judge Trindade: "The emphasis has shifted from the status of the TERRITORIES to the NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE PEOPLE."<br/> | |||
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/141/141-20100722-ADV-01-08-EN.pdf (Page550; Paragraph66) | |||
* '''The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 July 2013):'''<br/> | |||
"Although the regime in the northern area lacks international recognition, THE DE FACTO RECOGNITION OF THE REGIME’S ACTIONS IN THE NORTH MAY BE NECESSARY FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES. Therefore, the adoption of civil, administrative, or criminal legal measures by the authorities of the 'TRNC', and their application or enforcement within the territory of the regime in the north, may be seen as having a LEGAL BASIS IN DOMESTIC LAW for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)."<br/> | |||
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-122907 | |||
* '''The United States Federal Court (9 October 2014):'''<br/> | |||
"...Although the US does not recognize the TRNC as a state, it can be said that the TRNC purportedly operates as a '''DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary'''...The TRNC is NOT vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington."<br/> | |||
https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/district-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2009cv01967/139002/53 | |||
* '''The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 September 2015):'''<br/> | |||
"The judicial system in the 'TRNC', including both civil and criminal courts, reflects the judicial and customary law tradition of Cyprus in its operation and procedures, and therefore, the courts of the 'TRNC' should be regarded as 'established by law' in reference to their 'constitutional and legal foundation. The ECHR had previously ruled that the judicial system established in the 'TRNC' should be considered 'established by law' based on the 'constitutional and legal foundation' that sustains it. Moreover, the ECHR does '''NOT''' accept that the courts in the 'TRNC', as a whole, lack independence and/or impartiality. When an action by the authorities of the 'TRNC' complies with the EXISTING LAWS OF NORTHERN CYPRUS, such actions, in principle, '''have a legal basis in domestic law''' for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights.<br/> | |||
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-155000 | |||
PS: Here, the ECtHR, by referring to the "laws in force in the northern region of Cyprus", means the laws enacted and enforced by the TRNC in northern Cyprus (see the ECtHR’s 02July2013 ruling). In summary, according to the ECtHR, the courts of the TRNC are INDEPENDENT AND IMPARTIAL. | |||
* '''United Kingdom High Court (3 February 2017):'''<br/> | |||
"There was '''NO''' duty in UK law upon the Government to refrain from recognising Northern Cyprus. The United Nations itself works with Northern Cyprus law enforcement agencies and facilitates co-operation between the two parts of the island...The cooperation between the UK police and legal institutions in Northern Cyprus is LAWFUL."<br/> | |||
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/03/criminals-fleeing-british-justice-can-no-longer-use-cyprus-safe<br/> | |||
http://ambamarblearch-media.com/sites/default/files/dpp_files/TT.pdf, Page6.] (]) 06:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Broken link in Infobox == | |||
== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 June 2024 == | |||
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In the infobox (under 'establishment'), the link for the 'Independence from the Republic of Cyprus' (established_date4) links to a Wikisource page which does not exist. It should link to the Misplaced Pages page: ]. ] (]) 13:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
] (]) 05:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
:{{done}} I don't see anything wrong with that! ] <sup>(])</sup> 14:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
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officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC)
I think the term "officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is wrong as the island of Cyprus is still under Turkish occupation and Officially not recognised as a country, only by the Turkish government which are the military force still occupying the northern part of Cyprus.
Maybe if you change it to "also known as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" would help people understand more as this is misleading to people and countries that don't know the situation.
I hope that a worldwide known source of information as your site would try to be neutral in all political situations and try to get the facts right.
As i saw in other responses, the word "Official" is erroneous and totally misleading to false information.
And because i know your response of "The use of the word "officially" refers to its own official description of itself, unrelated to what other states recognise it as", the word "Official" is used in a formal or authoritative manner, where in this case none of that arguments are true.
There is no formal government apart from the one the occupying force of Turkey is authorising and TRNC has no authority in the world as it is NOT recognised as a country!!!
Again, i only ask to change the word officially to something more correct as stated above. 31.153.117.40 (talk) 18:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Officially in this sense is used to mean "what it calls itself". Same as how the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Commonwealth of Australia, and the Republic of Türkiye are the "official" names of those respective three states, but they don't actually have any ability to make you call them that and not Britain (or England), Australia, or Turkey. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:6D5F:BFE3:2975:276E (talk) 09:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Please remove water percentage.
The water percentage of Northern Cyprus is obviously nowhere near 2.7%. The 2.7% is actually Iceland's old water percentage. It happened when someone copied over the infobox from Iceland to make editing easier. Northern Cyprus has no official water percentage, so none should be listed. 99.64.160.215 (talk) 00:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Done M.Bitton (talk) 01:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Turkish Federated State of Cyprus date should be February
Hello, currently the article's infobox states:
• Turkish Federated State of Cyprus
13 October 1975
This should be changed into 13 February 1975 which is the correct date, as can be seen on the article of the Federated State itself. I would do it myself but there's extended protection in place. Thanks. DjemDruid (talk) 08:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
The legitimacy of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) is recognized worldwide (International court rulings and national court decisions of various countries)
- The International Court of Justice (ICJ) Ruling on Kosovo (2010):
"THERE IS NOTHING IN INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT PROHIBITS DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE, and the RECOGNITION OF A STATE IS A POLITICAL MATTER."
The United States of America (USA), in the ICJ’s 2010 Kosovo ruling, rejected the Greek Cypriot stance and issued a statement favorable to the Turkish Cypriots:
Harold Hongju Koh (The USA's representative in the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo case on behalf of the USA): "The argument advanced by Cyprus against the legality of Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence is incorrect. Cyprus attempted to compare the 1244 process to the 'heartbreaking but misleading situation' of a parent sending their young child into state care, never to see them again. I argued, however, that a more accurate analogy would be the futile attempt by the state to forcibly return an adult child to an abusive home when the child no longer wishes to return, especially after the parent and child have LONG LIVED APART, and REPEATED ATTEMPTS AT RECONCILIATION HAVE REPEATEDLY FAILED. In such a case, as here, a DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE THE ONLY VALID OPTION and would undoubtedly be lawful.”
https://www.icj-cij.org/public/files/case-related/141/141-20091208-ORA-01-00-BI.pdf (Page38; Paragraph40)
Accordingly, the US Federal Court (on 9 October 2014) declared the TRNC as a "democratic republic with a president, a prime minister, a legislative body, and a judiciary."
In the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo ruling, ICJ Judge Trindade: "The emphasis has shifted from the status of the TERRITORIES to the NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE PEOPLE."
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/141/141-20100722-ADV-01-08-EN.pdf (Page550; Paragraph66)
- The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 July 2013):
"Although the regime in the northern area lacks international recognition, THE DE FACTO RECOGNITION OF THE REGIME’S ACTIONS IN THE NORTH MAY BE NECESSARY FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES. Therefore, the adoption of civil, administrative, or criminal legal measures by the authorities of the 'TRNC', and their application or enforcement within the territory of the regime in the north, may be seen as having a LEGAL BASIS IN DOMESTIC LAW for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)."
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-122907
- The United States Federal Court (9 October 2014):
"...Although the US does not recognize the TRNC as a state, it can be said that the TRNC purportedly operates as a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary...The TRNC is NOT vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington."
https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/district-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2009cv01967/139002/53
- The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 September 2015):
"The judicial system in the 'TRNC', including both civil and criminal courts, reflects the judicial and customary law tradition of Cyprus in its operation and procedures, and therefore, the courts of the 'TRNC' should be regarded as 'established by law' in reference to their 'constitutional and legal foundation. The ECHR had previously ruled that the judicial system established in the 'TRNC' should be considered 'established by law' based on the 'constitutional and legal foundation' that sustains it. Moreover, the ECHR does NOT accept that the courts in the 'TRNC', as a whole, lack independence and/or impartiality. When an action by the authorities of the 'TRNC' complies with the EXISTING LAWS OF NORTHERN CYPRUS, such actions, in principle, have a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights.
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-155000
PS: Here, the ECtHR, by referring to the "laws in force in the northern region of Cyprus", means the laws enacted and enforced by the TRNC in northern Cyprus (see the ECtHR’s 02July2013 ruling). In summary, according to the ECtHR, the courts of the TRNC are INDEPENDENT AND IMPARTIAL.
- United Kingdom High Court (3 February 2017):
"There was NO duty in UK law upon the Government to refrain from recognising Northern Cyprus. The United Nations itself works with Northern Cyprus law enforcement agencies and facilitates co-operation between the two parts of the island...The cooperation between the UK police and legal institutions in Northern Cyprus is LAWFUL."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/03/criminals-fleeing-british-justice-can-no-longer-use-cyprus-safe
http://ambamarblearch-media.com/sites/default/files/dpp_files/TT.pdf, Page6.212.174.38.177 (talk) 06:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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In the infobox (under 'establishment'), the link for the 'Independence from the Republic of Cyprus' (established_date4) links to a Wikisource page which does not exist. It should link to the Misplaced Pages page: Declaration of Independence of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. TheMinionsOfTheTrenches (talk) 13:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Done I don't see anything wrong with that! Babysharkboss2!! 14:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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