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==Grammar changes==
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Changing "team are" to "team is" is actually a ] change... ] (]) 09:50, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


== Deletion of the Sarah Hegazi article ==
Unblocking of Arabic wikipedia in Syria was on February 13, 2009. I made a mistake last time. --] (]) 04:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
⚫ :Thank u friend --] (]) 23:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


The article on ] was deleted. According to ] and , this has caused some controversy. There is a paragraph on the deletion and controversy in the Evaluation and criticism section. Please discuss possible changes to coverage of the event here. ] (]) 05:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
== The criticism section ==


== Arabic Misplaced Pages Page ==
Several administrators are trying to remove the criticism section because they believe it violates the "good faith" policy. Of course, this is a misunderstanding because this is not a talk page but a criticism section in an article. In a "criticism section" you get criticism, there is no assumption of good faith here. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:If you would like to keep the criticism section, you will need to rewrite that encyclopedically. Please read ] as a guide. Articles should not contain ] lists, and should be written as a ]. This is also the English Misplaced Pages. It would be much helpful if the sources were in English, especially for such controversial topics. This has nothing to do with the good-faith policy, but an apology for the attacks would be appreciated. '''<font color="navy" face="comic sans ms">]</font><font color="2d2db4" face="comic sans ms">]</font>''' 00:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Hi,
Well, you will need to prove that the points listed under criticism are really trivia and not neutral.


Whom do I need to coordinate with to put in an Arabic Misplaced Pages Page? Requesting your assistance, please.
First, technically, your claims are invalid since the criticism section is very coherent (it is not a listing of miscellaneous points) and the points listed under it are all directly related to the clearly meaningful title of the section, which is "criticism." You need to show how this is a trivia section? You seem to know the titles of the laws but not how to apply them in real situations.


Thank you,
Your other claim, neutrality, is even less valid, because this is a ''criticism'' section-- if it were neutral then it would have deserved to be deleted since it would not make sense. The section simply lists critical points.
⚫ ] (]) 10:55, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Dsouza_Josh


:If you have relevant Arabic-language skills, and have useful information to contribute in a way that respects the rules, then you don't have to ask anyone's permission -- you can start editing right away. If you lack those prerequisites, it would probably be better not to get directly involved, though there's an "Embassy" page for non-Arabic speakers. ] (]) 19:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Now to the discussion of your ulterior, emotion-based motives. How can you call by trivia such serious criticism as accusing the encyclopedia of having systemic bias in Islam-related topics, and noting that over 60% of its articles are stubs (which usually means they contain nothing at all but the title), etc. You are obviously biased yourself since you're an administrator in Misplaced Pages, but the Arabic Wiki is nothing like the English Wiki at all, it is just 100,000 empty pages with administrators who mostly do nothing but enjoying trips to the Wiki conventions. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:"A list" is the problem of that section. Misplaced Pages is supposed to give information efficiently, and a list is not it. Your list states points that others do not agree on, hence not making it neutral or not being provided by the most significant views (see ]). Lists on Misplaced Pages should not contain information like that because they aren't supposed be composed of trivia but rather state complete points of a subject. I suggest you rewrite the section as paragraphs. Also, I'm not an administrator. '''<font color="navy" face="comic sans ms">]</font><font color="2d2db4" face="comic sans ms">]</font>''' 01:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


== Blackout ==
You have not provided anything new; what you say is just a reiteration of the previously refuted claims; though in a less organized fashion this time.


Arabic Misplaced Pages just announced a blackout in support of Palestine, so I wonder why that's not mentioned in the article yet ] (]) 17:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Again: first of all, ] is irrelevant to this discussion since, as it clearly says, it deals with ''lists of miscellaneous information''. I fail to see the relation between this and the criticism section.


== Neutrality lost? ==
Your rather personal statement that "a list is not an efficient manner of presenting information" is, besides being weird, not mentioned in any of the pages you referred to. We need to see a clear text saying that lists should be avoided-- ''"lists"'' not ''"lists of miscellaneous information,"'' don't jumble things.


Isn't the changing of the colors of the wikipedia symbol to the colors of the Palestinian flag violates Misplaced Pages's professed principals of Neutrality? Hebrew Misplaced Pages's symbol isn't colored Blue-White... ] (]) 10:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Your definition of neutrality in a criticism section is problematic. The section contains referenced and logical statements that are raised in criticism of Ar Wiki-- of course the criticized party won't agree with the statements, they are not supposed to. The points in the section are logical and commonly raised by critics (sadly, most of those write in Arabic not English!).


:If you want to raise a formal complaint, you'd have to do so somewhere on , not here. Anyway, they were the colors of the 1917 ] before Palestine, and are known as ]... ] (]) 14:35, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Anyway, I might rewrite the section as a paragraph if this is what it will take to end the discussion. Though I don't think this demand is properly founded based on the pages you referred to. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Yeah but you didn't answer their question ] (]) 04:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
:Never mind, do what you think is best. I just know that it can be better. '''<font color="navy" face="comic sans ms">]</font><font color="2d2db4" face="comic sans ms">]</font>''' 03:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
:::"Those colors are pan-Arab. But the text they added in the main page clearly states that Arabic Misplaced Pages stands in solidarity with Palestine. A formal complaint? Much good that would do. I am a regular Misplaced Pages donor because I believe in Misplaced Pages's mission statement. It's sad to see those core principals erode."
I have deleted the criticism section. Its sources are not accepted. The says that the content in ar wikipedia is weak. It does not say ''The Arabic Misplaced Pages suffers from heavy biased content, specifically in Islamic topics''.The seconed one, Knol, is not a reliable source. Therefore, this section does not contain any acceptable sources. --] (]) 23:04, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::"Basically the Arab version of the English "pseudoscience effort"
:::Pls do mention this too out there too"
:::Two comments made by me and earlier,someone else (the other guy's, atleast was pretty much on-topic, on-discussion) were reverted as SOAPBOXing for grounds that are pretty much only criticising enwiki or wiki in general when there ''is'' certainly stuff to criticize even on enwiki ] (]) 08:42, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:::You can say so, but they whitewashed Hamas's crimes there so maybe place this concern to all
:::https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13169 ] (]) 00:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

:On the other hand, if this is true: there's definitely a violation there. ] (]) 23:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
:I agree, The arabic wikipedia is very biased, I don't know how can this be allowed on wikipedia. ] (]) 09:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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Grammar changes

Changing "team are" to "team is" is actually a MOS:ENGVAR change... AnonMoos (talk) 09:50, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of the Sarah Hegazi article

The article on Sarah Hegazi was deleted. According to reliable sources BBC Arabic and Raseef22, this has caused some controversy. There is a paragraph on the deletion and controversy in the Evaluation and criticism section. Please discuss possible changes to coverage of the event here. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 05:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Arabic Misplaced Pages Page

Hi,

Whom do I need to coordinate with to put in an Arabic Misplaced Pages Page? Requesting your assistance, please.

Thank you, Dsouza Josh (talk) 10:55, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Dsouza_Josh

If you have relevant Arabic-language skills, and have useful information to contribute in a way that respects the rules, then you don't have to ask anyone's permission -- you can start editing right away. If you lack those prerequisites, it would probably be better not to get directly involved, though there's an "Embassy" page for non-Arabic speakers. AnonMoos (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Blackout

Arabic Misplaced Pages just announced a blackout in support of Palestine, so I wonder why that's not mentioned in the article yet Gattor1 (talk) 17:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Neutrality lost?

Isn't the changing of the colors of the wikipedia symbol to the colors of the Palestinian flag violates Misplaced Pages's professed principals of Neutrality? Hebrew Misplaced Pages's symbol isn't colored Blue-White... 89.208.62.122 (talk) 10:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

If you want to raise a formal complaint, you'd have to do so somewhere on Meta.Wikimedia.org, not here. Anyway, they were the colors of the 1917 Flag of the Arab Revolt before Palestine, and are known as Pan-Arab colors... AnonMoos (talk) 14:35, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Yeah but you didn't answer their question 78.147.35.211 (talk) 04:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
"Those colors are pan-Arab. But the text they added in the main page clearly states that Arabic Misplaced Pages stands in solidarity with Palestine. A formal complaint? Much good that would do. I am a regular Misplaced Pages donor because I believe in Misplaced Pages's mission statement. It's sad to see those core principals erode."
"Basically the Arab version of the English "pseudoscience effort"
Pls do mention this too out there too"
Two comments made by me and earlier,someone else (the other guy's, atleast was pretty much on-topic, on-discussion) were reverted as SOAPBOXing for grounds that are pretty much only criticising enwiki or wiki in general when there is certainly stuff to criticize even on enwiki 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 08:42, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
You can say so, but they whitewashed Hamas's crimes there so maybe place this concern to all
https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13169 CD967119 (talk) 00:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
On the other hand, if this is true: there's definitely a violation there. AnonMoos (talk) 23:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
I agree, The arabic wikipedia is very biased, I don't know how can this be allowed on wikipedia. Yehonatan19 (talk) 09:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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