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== Background of the Case ==
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9/14/10 I am in no way a legal scholar, and in fact was only exposed to this decision today in my Law class. Still, I believe the case details on this page are inaccurate. My reading of the footnotes of the opinion has that Cohen had worn the jacket upon entering the building and then removed it when he entered the court room, allowing the police officer to take notice and speak to the judge. My reading of this article has that Cohen did not put on the coat until after he exited the court room, which creates an important distinction in his level of protest. I'm unwilling to change anything, though, as I am in no way an authority. ] (]) 18:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to be an expert to accurately read a SCOTUS opinion. Could you provide the relevant quote from the opinion, cited to page and footnote? ''']''' ('']'') 18:57, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I think Dontwriteplays has it right. The opinion first states that:

{{Quote|‘On April 26, 1968, the defendant was observed in the Los Angeles County Courthouse in the corridor outside of division 20 of the municipal court wearing a jacket bearing the words ‘Fuck the Draft’ which were plainly visible. There were women and children present in the corridor. The defendant was arrested. The defendant testified that he wore the jacket knowing that the words were on the jacket as a means of informing the public of the depth of his feelings against the Vietnam War and the draft.|John Marshall Harlan|Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15, 16 (1971)}}

Footnote 3 then states:

{{Quote|It is illuminating to note what transpired when Cohen entered a courtroom in the building. He removed his jacket and stood with it folded over his arm. Meanwhile, a policeman sent the presiding judge a note suggesting that Cohen be held in contempt of court. The judge declined to do so and Cohen was arrested by the officer only after he emerged from the courtroom.|John Marshall Harlan|Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15, 19 n. 3 (1971)}}

Based on all this, my understanding is that Cohen wore the jacket into the courthouse, was observed in the corridor, then removed the jacket and entered the courtroom. A police officer who had seen (or heard about) Cohen's inflammatory jacket asked the judge to hold Cohen in contempt and, when that failed, arrested him when he left.--] (]) 22:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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I think this article would benefit from a picture of the jacket. I have personally seen such a picture but I am having a hard time finding it online. Perhaps another editor here would be able to find it. ] (]) 21:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


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== Further reading == == Further reading ==


I've added '']'' to the Further reading section. &mdash; ''']''' (]) 07:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC) I've added '']'' to the Further reading section. &mdash; ''']''' (]) 07:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


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Can we get a photo of the jacket? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:41, 22 January 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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This article only had 6 references, which was not nearly enough. The references were also mainly citing the government record of the case, so it did not provide more than one view of the case.] (]) 02:03, 2 February 2018 (UTC) This article only had 6 references, which was not nearly enough. The references were also mainly citing the government record of the case, so it did not provide more than one view of the case.] (]) 02:03, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks for the feedback, ]. I've placed a template ({{tl|primary sources}}) at the top of the article which indicates that it needs more secondary sources.'''&nbsp;— <u>]]</u>'''] 03:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC) :Thanks for the feedback, ]. I've placed a template ({{tl|primary sources}}) at the top of the article which indicates that it needs more secondary sources.'''&nbsp;— <u>]]</u>'''] 03:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:::I removed the template. Per ], primary sources are authorized, and in some manners preferred for legal articles. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:27, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
::Does https://legaltalknetwork.com/podcasts/make-no-law/2018/11/the-f-bomb/ qualify as a secondary source? ] (]) 22:25, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


== Potential References == == Potential References ==
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**Looking Back at Cohen v. California: A 40 Year Retrospective from Inside the Court - Thomas Krattenmaker (in William & Mary Bill of Rights Journal)<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Krattenmaker|first=Thomas|date=2012|title=Looking Back at Cohen v. California: A 40 Year Retrospective from Inside the Court|url=|journal=Wm. & Mary Bill Rts. J.|volume=20|pages=651|via=}}</ref> **Looking Back at Cohen v. California: A 40 Year Retrospective from Inside the Court - Thomas Krattenmaker (in William & Mary Bill of Rights Journal)<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Krattenmaker|first=Thomas|date=2012|title=Looking Back at Cohen v. California: A 40 Year Retrospective from Inside the Court|url=|journal=Wm. & Mary Bill Rts. J.|volume=20|pages=651|via=}}</ref>
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⚫ == Revising ==
I'm going to start on a major revision of this article, including formatting the article according to ], revising the references to allow pinpoint references, and expanding. I'll probably change the reference system to ], if there are objections, please let me know, but the current system cites to the entire work instead of the point in the work that supports the text in the article. <span style="border:1px solid #900;padding:2px;background:#fffff4">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

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Further reading

I've added Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties to the Further reading section. — Cirt (talk) 07:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


Can we get a photo of the jacket? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 04:41, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Article Evaluation

This article only had 6 references, which was not nearly enough. The references were also mainly citing the government record of the case, so it did not provide more than one view of the case.AstroFan2017 (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, AstroFan2017. I've placed a template ({{primary sources}}) at the top of the article which indicates that it needs more secondary sources. — PinkAmpers& 03:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
I removed the template. Per WP:MOSLAW, primary sources are authorized, and in some manners preferred for legal articles. GregJackP Boomer! 19:27, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Does https://legaltalknetwork.com/podcasts/make-no-law/2018/11/the-f-bomb/ qualify as a secondary source? The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 22:25, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Potential References

Here's a list of potential references I'd like to add to this article.

    • Civilizing Public Discourse: An Essay on Professor Bickel, Justice Harlan, and the Enduring Significance of Cohen v. California - DA Farber (in Duke Law Journal)
    • A Look Back at Cohen v. California - William Cohen (in UCLA Law Review)
    • Looking Back at Cohen v. California: A 40 Year Retrospective from Inside the Court - Thomas Krattenmaker (in William & Mary Bill of Rights Journal)

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References

  1. A., Farber, Daniel (1980). "Civilizing Public Discourse: An Essay on Professor Bickel, Justice Harlan, and the Enduring Significance of Cohen v. California". Duke Law Journal. 1980.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  2. Cohen, William (1987). "A Look Back at Cohen v California". UCLA Law Rev. 34: 1595.
  3. Krattenmaker, Thomas (2012). "Looking Back at Cohen v. California: A 40 Year Retrospective from Inside the Court". Wm. & Mary Bill Rts. J. 20: 651.

Revising

I'm going to start on a major revision of this article, including formatting the article according to WP:SCOTUS, revising the references to allow pinpoint references, and expanding. I'll probably change the reference system to Bluebook, if there are objections, please let me know, but the current system cites to the entire work instead of the point in the work that supports the text in the article. GregJackP Boomer! 19:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

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