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	:That's a contradictory claim, as primary sources are usually sources that are written by the subject. Do you mean it completely lacks secondary sources? I made sure that this article is largely based on secondary sources, which is required for pages on Misplaced Pages. I'm confused as to what you mean. ] (]) 16:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)		:That's a contradictory claim, as primary sources are usually sources that are written by the subject. Do you mean it completely lacks secondary sources? I made sure that this article is largely based on secondary sources, which is required for pages on Misplaced Pages. I'm confused as to what you mean. ] (]) 16:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
			::He's been covered in numerous reliable secondary sources, so notability and RS have been fully established. I don't think there's any case to answer. ] (]) 16:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
			:::Is there some reason why this article was written to present Stevenson's claims at face value, even when reliable sources say he's lying? ] (]) 10:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
			::::Those sources saying he's lying are recent, and as far as I can tell weren't present when I first wrote this article! ] (]) 15:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

			== Should not be characterized as an economist ==

			The first sentence and the title of the article describes the subject as an "economist". While the subject has among other things studied economics (as many people do), the subject is not an academic economist and it's misleading to describe him as such. It's puffery. Reliable sources do not consistently identify the subject as an "economist". The subject is a former financial trader, and YouTuber. ] (]) 21:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
			:The Guardian article gives his qualifications as "] in maths and economics, London School of Economics. ] in economics, Oxford." That makes him pretty well qualified does it not? ] (]) 21:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
			:: Should the lead also describe him as a mathematician then? Why should Misplaced Pages describe the subject as an economist when RS do not? ] (]) 21:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::A Master's degree is largely of higher respect than a Bachelor's degree, and he's clearly continued with economics rather than any mathematics. ] (]) 21:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::: The subject certainly wants to portray himself as an economist. Problem is that RS do not describe him that way. They describe him as a former financial trade and Youtuber who opines on economic issues. ] (]) 22:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
			: His qualifications are only part of it, and an MPhil is certainly sufficient qualification to regard him as an economist. The main question is what he ''does''. That is he is a pundit, writer, educator and commentator on economic topics, verging on the political. The description you left him with as "British Youtuber" is ''highly'' pejorative and makes him sound like no more than someone who grifts Minecraft videos. ] (]) 22:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
			:: Isn't the subject's sole claim to notability that he operates a popular Youtube channel? ] (]) 22:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
			::: Of course not, far from it (and that's already in the article). I suspect, after such a comment, that you don't really have much idea who he is? ] (]) 22:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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This page is entirely based on writing by the subject and completely lacks primary sources - delete? Livermore1922 (talk) 12:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

That's a contradictory claim, as primary sources are usually sources that are written by the subject. Do you mean it completely lacks secondary sources? I made sure that this article is largely based on secondary sources, which is required for pages on Misplaced Pages. I'm confused as to what you mean. JamJamSvn (talk) 16:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

He's been covered in numerous reliable secondary sources, so notability and RS have been fully established. I don't think there's any case to answer. G-13114 (talk) 16:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Is there some reason why this article was written to present Stevenson's claims at face value, even when reliable sources say he's lying? bobrayner (talk) 10:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Those sources saying he's lying are recent, and as far as I can tell weren't present when I first wrote this article! JamJamSvn (talk) 15:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Should not be characterized as an economist

The first sentence and the title of the article describes the subject as an "economist". While the subject has among other things studied economics (as many people do), the subject is not an academic economist and it's misleading to describe him as such. It's puffery. Reliable sources do not consistently identify the subject as an "economist". The subject is a former financial trader, and YouTuber. Thenightaway (talk) 21:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

The Guardian article you cited gives his qualifications as "BSc in maths and economics, London School of Economics. MPhil in economics, Oxford." That makes him pretty well qualified does it not? G-13114 (talk) 21:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Should the lead also describe him as a mathematician then? Why should Misplaced Pages describe the subject as an economist when RS do not? Thenightaway (talk) 21:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

A Master's degree is largely of higher respect than a Bachelor's degree, and he's clearly continued with economics rather than any mathematics. JamJamSvn (talk) 21:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

The subject certainly wants to portray himself as an economist. Problem is that RS do not describe him that way. They describe him as a former financial trade and Youtuber who opines on economic issues. Thenightaway (talk) 22:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

His qualifications are only part of it, and an MPhil is certainly sufficient qualification to regard him as an economist. The main question is what he does. That is he is a pundit, writer, educator and commentator on economic topics, verging on the political. The description you left him with here as "British Youtuber" is highly pejorative and makes him sound like no more than someone who grifts Minecraft videos. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Isn't the subject's sole claim to notability that he operates a popular Youtube channel? Thenightaway (talk) 22:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Of course not, far from it (and that's already in the article). I suspect, after such a comment, that you don't really have much idea who he is? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:59, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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