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== A better map? == |
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==Map of Slovenia== |
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The clearest maps in thus article are one from the grim years of WWII and another of the climate zones with temperature charts included. The map of statistical regions is good but by design it lacks city names. I think it would improve the article to have a map showing major cities (especially Ljubljana) and showing enough of the neighboring nations to place it in Europe. I have seen such a map in the past, but cannot find it online now. |
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]Absolute location (45`15`N/15`/10`E) the ] of Slovenia is really very much primitive and I am afraid that such map won't tell to occasional reader a lot. There are "only" ten "main" ] on it, no ], no ], no ], no ] and such. But I guess it would be just enough to put Slovenia on a ] map somewhere southern of, let us say, ]. What about the famous Kozler's map of Slovene ] at the fall of ]. It would certalnly clearly show how ] are disappearing from a ]. And in the end its borders are just old ] bolders from the former ] and the history still has to do a lot of things to define (once and for all) its present, past or future borders. Cheers. -- ] 2002.06.19 3 Wednesday (0) - 16:06, Jun 18, 2002 (UTC) |
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The map in the info box serves mainly to show it is a small nation. Reading that map, it pays to know that already, to find the dark green bit that is Slovenia. |
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==Slovene National Motto== |
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Overall, this is an excellent article on a nation with a thriving present and a long and fascinating past. - - ] (]) 18:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC) |
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I think you are right about the motto Zocky. "Zive naj vsi narodi" means " God's blessing on all nations" and is the first line of the National Anthem not a motto. ] 14:36 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC) |
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: Yes. See ] for translation and related links. But since we're speaking about Slovene national motto and as ] said that Slovenia does not have any -- we can invent it hereby. Recently I've seen for a good one from the video of a song ''Od ljudi za ljudi'' (''From people for people'') of ] and goes like this: ''Solidarity is mega (--is cool)''. How does one motto come into one nation's reality in fact? I do not know. Someone said that ] are like ]s. It could be Adi Smolar's ]-like words from his song: ''Je treba delat''. (''The Work is a Must''). Any positive and truthful thought might work here, I guess. There might also be Prešeren's words from Zdravljica: ''žive naj vsi narodi'' all the same, since this great poem was in the same manner invented for the National anthem. I would like to hear some other proposals. And we have to have in mind that Slovenes are not like far Eastern thinkers, ]s, ]es and ]es. Simple peasant ] is 'the coolest' for them, ha, ha. Interesting topic, anyway. See ya. --] 03:24 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC) |
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::Žive naj vsi narodi actually I'd prefere if there was no God in transaltion - it'd be more accurate = Let all nations live |
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I am adding this text as a wake-me-up call. ] (]) 19:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::'cause it goes like this: Žive naj vsi narodi, ki hrepene dočakat dan da koder sonce hodi, prepir iz sveta bo pregnan... |
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::so it would go literary like this: Let all the nations which are craving to live the day whereever sun is (walking) showing, all conflicts of the world shall be banished... |
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::I'll take the God part in consider while there is no mentioning of HIM in whole song and contents. |
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::thnx for reading this ADDon :-) |
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::BYE and HAPPY New Year! {{unsigned|213.161.5.191|18:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)}} |
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I would like to support the removal of the national "motto" from the page. Since there is no official motto, it is clear that it has been arbitrarily chosen by a wikipedia contributor and bears no actual significance. In addition, it has been mistranslated, as ''Žive naj vsi narodi'' means ''Let all nations live'' or ''Long live all nations'' - nowhere does it mention God or god at all. I am aware that this is an actual English translation that has been published, however, that does not make it a correct one and might even give the wrong impression about the country. ] 12:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Poems don't get direct word-by-word translations, because you lose the artistic value. It's a poem, and the correct translation is "God's blessing on all nations". However, it is not the motto of Slovenia so it does not matter anyway. ] 16:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC) |
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::Well, if you change the meaning with translation, I don't find it especially artistic. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:::The meaning didn't change. Let me point out that Prešeren wrote the poem in 19th century Roman Catholic Slovenia, and mentioning God was not controversial back then. Besides, I doubt he ever expected it to become an anthem of a (secular) country. ] 16:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:::I agree with edolen1: Most translations of poetry are not 100% literal, word-for-word translations. The important thing is that the spirit (and meaning) of the original is preserved, and this translation does that very effectively, IMHO. However, I do agree that this isn't an "unofficial motto"; in fact, the phrase loses its intended meaning when taken out of context. ] 23:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:::BTW, the original of Zdravljica contains the lines "Bog našo nam deželo, Bog živi ves slovenski svet," which proves that this hysteria (IMHO) over the word "God" in the aforementioned translation is totally out-of-place. After all, would translating "Živi naj Wikipedija" as "God bless Misplaced Pages", for example, also change the intended meaning of the phrase? Of course not. (And this is an atheist speaking.) ] 09:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC) |
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=== Slovenia Has No Motto === |
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Although country/state mottoes are quite common in many parts of the world, Slovenia has none. I believe that the inclusion of the 'unofficial' motto on Misplaced Pages is unnecessary and misleading. There are many other slogans that could be posted instead of "Žive naj vsi narodi", however, none is correct. |
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I suggest it be removed. |
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] 16:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Agreed. ] 17:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:I agree as well. Besides, you are changing the meaning of "Žive naj vsi narodi" ("God's blessing on all nations") when you leave out the rest of the stanza ("...who long and work for that bright day," and so on). ] 21:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC) |
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==Proper English names for Slovene toponyms== |
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The city of Štore now links to absurd ]. Probably it should be redirected as <nowiki>]</nowiki> or <nowiki>]</nowiki>. Why ] wasn't Slovene or whoever invented the ] code? :-) ''Lep pozdrav.'' --] 16:03 May 7, 2003 (UTC) |
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: Štore municipality is now on the ]. Please proof-read that article so that we can use it as a template for other statistical data for Slovenian municipalities. --] 12:59, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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==November 1st== |
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Shouldn't "Dan spomina na mrtve" be translated as "Remembrance Day", not "All Soul's Day", which (a) is something else and (b) takes place on November 2nd? |
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--] 21:41 Nov 2, 2003 (CET) |
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:I agree. November 1st is actually All Saint's day (not All Souls' Day) and what's more, it's not even called that officially. I also think that the list should distinguish state holidays from work-free days (christmas, easter, assumption), since they're not the same thing - national flag is flown on the 26th of December and, according to law, should NOT be flown on the 25th. |
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:OK, I changed it. Any thoughts? ] 15:25, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC) |
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==European Union and Slovenia== |
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While Slovenia and other countries are going to join the ] on 1st May 2004, we are formally not there yet! So we should remove the page footer that lists candidates among EU members. --] 19:35, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC) |
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: Yes, Roman you're absolutely correct - but fairly speaking this is just ''a matter of time''. Accepting your proposal I've added EU enlargement instead of deleting the existing form, which is my invention. (Just think on that Montenegrin joke about a hydroelectric power station ... :>) We Europeans still need to learn a lot of European geography... I hope this is okay now. BR --] 13:30, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC) |
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==Initial classification== |
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It is somewhat amusing to see ''littoral'' being mentioned before ''pre-Alpine'' in the country's description... alphabetical sorting of adjectives, I guess? ;) --] 12:53, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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==La Francophonie== |
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I removed the box and added a text about the membership. It seems rather remote and not of to much importance for the understanding of Slovenia, rather would I return the ex-YU box, but that's still in discussion so let's leave it this way for now. ] 17:18, 20 May 2004 (UTC) |
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==Občine== |
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I also removed the Občine to a seperate article, they are just in they way if you wan't to get the basic facts at a glance ] 17:27, 20 May 2004 (UTC) |
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== SFRY == |
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], where did you reach the consensus about SFRY box? --] 16:48, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC) |
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== Head of state == |
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This article has the following paragraph: |
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''The Slovenian head of state is the president, who is elected by popular vote every 5 years. In his task as head of the executive branch, the president is aided by the prime minister and the council of ministers or cabinet, which are elected by parliament.'' |
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IMHO from above paragraph foreigners will gain wrong impression that it is the president who is ruling the country, while in fact Slovenia is parliamentary democracy and president has only representative role (unless there is a war, of course, in which case his/her role as the supreme commander of armed forces becomes important). Could this be rephrased? --] ] 11:36, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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:No need to rephrase. ] is a neutral expression which includes presidents and monarchs, ie. people with representative roles. ] is the leader of the executive branch (prime minister and in some countries the president). You can often read about international meetings of heads of states and governments. ] 13:28, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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:: Well, yes, there is a need to rephrase if the Slovenian head of state is ''not'' the head of government, as Romanm has implied. I'll go check ] and update accordingly. --] 14:11, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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:: The Constitution says e.g. that the President only ''promulgates'' laws. This is an executive branch of a parliamentary system, not a presidential system. --] |
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:::Sorry, I didn't correctly read the above sentence. Your version is of course correct. ] 15:57, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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== Recognition date == |
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Although some countries (e.g. Germany, Sweden, Iceland, if not mentioning Baltic states et al.) did it before, the then EU (12 members) in December 1991 agreed to recognise Slovenian (and Croatian) independence on January 15, 1992. They did so and many other world's countries followed on the same day or very soon after the date, with the USA and PR China being among the last ones (doing so in April). So, should January 15, 1992 be added to the Recognition under independence subsection. After all that date was (and still is) printed on the first Slovenian banknotes although they were issued about 8 months later or more. {{unsigned|193.77.86.2|12:38, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)}} |
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== Misplaced Pages meetup 2005 in Ljubljana? == |
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I proposed that the ] should ]. Check out if interested. ] 18:24, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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==Regions== |
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I don't think the Slovenian regions mentioned on this page are the official ones. I found two, not completely consistent lists: |
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Could someone who knows more (and who can read Slovenian) fix this? Are the regions named presently the historical regions? |
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] 09:24, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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: There's a bit of a problem here.. On one hand, we have the proposed regionalization by the government (still in preparation, mind you), which will most likely have 12 regions (like the World Gazeeter suggests), and on the other hand there are the historical regions, which are around 8 or 9. Let me just point out that the regions suggested at www.slovenia-tourism.si are not the historical regions, they are merely regions based on tourist offer and only partially follow historical regions. For example Notranjska and Primorska are fused together, while Northern Primorska and Western Gorenjska become the Julian Alps, etc. Unfortunately there is no accurate division of historical regions. The current division in the article is based on historical regions and I think is quite accurate, except for maybe Bela krajina (separate from Dolenjska according to some), Zasavje (a bit of a disputed area, partially in Štajerska, partially in Dolenjska) and Prekmurje (the Mura River basin is called Pomurje). ] 13:50, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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== "The Erased" == |
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Now that it's been mentioned in the article, I think we need to clear this up. states that 18,305 people were erased, so the 10% of the population (200,000 people!) is exaggerated. The (Media and Public Relations Office of the Gov't) also states that around 18,000 people did not apply for citizenship and were therefore "erased". Although later on in the article it says that out of those 18,000, only around 4,000 still do not have did not regulate any status in Slovenia, others all either applied for citizenship later on or obtained a residence permit, either temporary or permanent.</br> |
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Anybody want to share their view? ] 18:38, 1 May 2005 (UTC) |
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==New template== |
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New template has been created (copied from Commons): <nowiki>{{template:Slovenian flag}}</nowiki>. It appears like this: {{template:Slovenian flag}}. It works also by using: |
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*template:Slovene flag. |
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Cheers! --] 16:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:I whod like to sugest we change the picute of the flag, the curent one makes the cout of arms look to smal, this one http://www.highwaygold.co.uk/images/downloads/flags/reduced/slovenia.jpg |
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:on the other hand is a very nice example, and this picture is also used in the EU templates {{unsigned|MaticMan|12:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)}} |
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== Subdivisions == |
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The article suggests, but does not state outright, that municipalities are currently the only administrative local government entities in the country. Is this true? Or is there something intermediate between the regions and the municipalities? ] ] 23:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:This is true. --]] ] 11:54, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:Indeed, currently the primary and only division are municipalities. Administrative regions are soon to be established, but regionalization won't take place for a few years.. ] 12:12, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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== Slovenia was part of: ... == |
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I find this rather confusing. Slovenia was not the official name nor its short version of the territory more or less occupied by modern ''Republika Slovenija'' (RS) in all of the listed state entities (Kingdom of Yugoslavia, for instance, used the term of "Dravska banovina"). Plus, the list seems to start quite randomly and lacks certain entities. I guess a more detailed list, starting from the end of the WWI, would go sth like this: |
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- State of Slovenes, Croats, and Serbs (unrecognized) </br> |
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- Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (since dec. 1918)</br> |
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- Kingdom of Yugoslavia (since jan. 1929)</br> |
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- Democratic Federal Yugoslavia (since WWII)</br> |
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- Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia (since 1946)</br> |
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- SFRY (since 1963) |
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But, is this really relevant, anyway? Perhaps it shoul be stated under the paragraph "history"? |
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The paragraph history contains wrong info on SFRJ, check ]. --] 23:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC) |
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== Removed links == |
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I removed the following links from this article: |
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* - general information on Slovenia and on tourism in Slovenia |
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* , interactive maps and aerial orthophoto, scale from 1:2.500.000 to 1:2.500 |
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* On this page you can find all the addresses in Slovenia (] GIS Public Service) |
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* On this page you can find information about Slovenia - tourism, business, etc. |
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If anyone has any objections, please let us know here, so that we can discuss this. --] (]) 14:47, 25 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:GeaBios is a relevant source for maps for Slovenia. The service is running 200GB of data in different web applications based on maps and vector data for the area and wider (Maps of different scales, orthophoto, digital terrain model). GPS navigation is included. About 500.000 addresses (complete address coding system - updated every year). About 120 pages in session Slovenia in Brief prepared for in the year 2002 (10.000 CD + Internet application) for Ministry of education, science and sport. See ] for more details.--] 15:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:: The day I tested ], I only saw a logo of ] when I clicked magnifier, so I assumed it was bogus. Today I see that there really is a content beside the ], and I no longer object including it. --] (]) 12:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:I would leave the public libraries and all government links in. ] 16:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:: All of the government links are available from that was left in the article. Information about public libraries can be obtained by using . I substituted the old link with this one. Is there some specific information that is missing in COBISS and present in the old page? IMHO we should keep the external links section as short as possible. --] (]) 12:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC) |
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I added link in this article from the "Government communication office - About Slovenia". I put it on first place because it's official governmental site giving information about Slovenia (news, Slovenia in brief, map, insignia, photo material, audio-visual material, publications, addresses and contacts, background information (culture, economy, education, environment, foreign affairs, history, internal affairs, social affairs, sport, transport and more)). --] |
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== "Portal" position == |
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It should be higher, if not at the top, see ] for example. --] 07:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:It was at the bottom in the ] article, and it didn't look good at the top of the article. The current solution is completely fine by me though. ] 20:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Removed image == |
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I have removed the image Ljubljana_Franciscan_church.jpg from the section ''Economy''; it is completely unrelated to this topic. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== Added image == |
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I've added an image of World Trade Center Ljubljana which is related to the economy of Slovenia. |
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: What is the source of this image? --] (]) 20:39, 30 March 2006 (UTC) |
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::It's from the site of Slovenian Government. ] (]) 13:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Please, put the source on the image page. Also, try not to use name like ], maybe Ljubljana World Trade.jpg!?. --] 14:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== ] == |
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Hello! Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring – and with the hope of resolving this issue – ] to decide the rendition of the lead for the ] article. Please weigh in! ] | ] | 11:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC) |
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It would be great to have this image transformed into a set of links, like it has been done for ] in the {{tl|NavigationNetherland}} (see below). Does anyone know how to do that? --] <sup>]</sup> 09:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC) |
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==Landscape types== |
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Is ] correct? I always thought Bela krajina (White Carniola) is of the Panonian type. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:There are several versions of this division into 4 geographic regions, and as far as I know, there is not even a consensus within the scientific community about which one is the most "correct", so to say. Bela krajina is a "victim" of these versions. Some regard it as part of the Pannonian region, some regard it as part of the Dinaric region. Another area with a simiral problem is Celje and the surroundings (Žalec, etc.), which are sometimes considered Alpine (as on that map) and sometimes Pannonian. ] 14:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:Yes, the map is correct. Bela krajina is one of the most typical Dinaric corrosion plain. But it is true there are strong Panonian climate influences. - ] 15:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC) |
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==Demographics== |
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The word for ethnicity used is 'Slovenians', both in the text and on the graph. But it should have been (I think) 'Slovenes'. Because 'Slovenian' is someone who comes from Slovenia and not the ethnicity. If you say on that list Slovenian, then we would also have to say 'Croatian', 'Serbian', 'Bosnian' ... (and not 'Croat', 'Serb', Bosniak')... Do you agree (that it should be changed to 'Slovenes')? {{unsigned|209.135.108.157|22:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)}} |
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: I disagree. In the case of Serbia, there's (usually) a distinction between "Serbs" and "Serbians", the former referring to people of Serb ethnicity and the latter describing citizens of Serbia. "Slovenes" and "Slovenians", on the other hand, are generally synonymous -- in other words, both words tend to have the same inherent meaning. There have been long discussions and revert wars in the past over which one is more common; "Slovenians" emerged as the preferred form, at least on Misplaced Pages. ] 17:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== Aren't Slovenians also a nationality from the former Yugoslavia? == |
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Would someone who knows the subject give an explanation of this paragraph? |
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''Slovenia's main ethnic group is Slovenians (83%). Nationalities from the former Yugoslavia (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks & Muslims by nationality) form 6.3% and the Hungarian, Italian and Roma minorities 0.6% of the population.'' |
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I may be missing something, but Slovenians are also a nationality from the former Yugoslavia. In any case, the paragraph is somewhat ambiguous. I think the simplest solution is to add "Other" to the second phrase, thus "Other nationalities from the former Yugoslavia...". Though someone else might come up with a better idea. ] 19:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:I think it's self evident that Slovenians are also ex-Yugoslav, as it is stated in the article itself. But that's IMHO, if anyone disagrees, it should be changed. (] 12:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)) |
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== Administrative divisions? == |
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I don't agree with the title "Administrative divisions" as other than municipalities all other divisions hold absolutely no administrative functions. I think something like "Geographical divisions" would be better, or if anyone has any other suggestions, they're welcome to post them. ] 11:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC) |
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== Biodiversity == |
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I edited this section as well as I could after I saw the prompt to do so. If anyone wants it to be representative of Misplaced Pages in general, I don't feel that most of the material can actually remain because it doesn't seem like something an encyclopedia (or Misplaced Pages) would have. I'm not saying, "Axe it;" I just don't think it can get much better. I made those changes before logging in. Sorry. (~~Ejoty~~September 18, 2006) {{unsigned|Ejoty|09:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)}} |
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== Correct map == |
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Well, which one map is correct? It is changed twice a week ;-) --] 06:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== Adopting euro == |
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For those of you who are interested in making changes on ] ], please see ]. --] (球球PK) (] | ]) 13:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC) |
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==]== |
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As someone has set up the "discuss" link but not pursued it - merge, and perhaps a list of "geometric centres of states/continents of the world" (I read somewhere that ] is the geometric centre of Asia) ] 16:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:Opposed. The GEOSS is not just some point in Slovenia, but has a wider meaning in Slovenian society. It's a popular meeting point and daytrip destination that is well-known by most Slovenians, not to mention an important monument. ] 16:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== Proposed WikiProject == |
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In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Southern Europe at ] whose scope would include Slovenia. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. ] 16:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC) |
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==]== |
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It has been nothiced that there is no mention of Slovenian cultural symbols.This might not be BIG and important, but i don't think it is so unimportant that we shod leave it out completly. |
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Please reply, i want ot know what the comunity thinks about this. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 12:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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== Changes made 1-Jan-07 1500UTC == |
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The national motto was removed since it was only a copy from the first line out of the national anthem. |
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Also, the flag is is violation. The dimensions are wrong, correction needed. |
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-to be deleted after corectins have been made |
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] 15:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Independence or secession ? == |
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Slovenia did not gain independence from Yugoslavia. Slovenia was not a colony, their representatives were at the AVNOJ congress where the post-WWII Yugoslavia was founded. Slovenia ''seceded'' from Yugoslavia. And its "territorial defence" forces killed scores of unarmed Yugoslav Army soldiers, a crime that is still covered up.] 20:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Look, if some british-french-spanish guys can go to america and kill indians and call themselfs 'americans' and say they became independent so can Slovenia! |
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BTW: What do you care about coverups? Do you really want the Slovene secret service on your door :D :P ] 16:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Sachertorte: stop beating this dead horse. There was no crime, even the Serbian authorities say so. If you have some solid evidence - which I seriously doubt you do - you're welcome to present it to the press and the Hague tribunal, or whatever. |
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As far as the first part of your writing is concerned; I have never heard anyone call it secession, except for the Serbians. The newly formed countries were fighting for independence, so the current naming is appropriate. ] 16:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== Location maps available for infoboxes of European countries == |
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<div style="background-color:#e8f0ff;">On the WikiProject Countries talk page, the section ] had shown new maps created by David Liuzzo, that are available for the countries of the ''European continent'', and for countries of the ''European Union'' exist in two versions. From ], ] till ], ], a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. Please note that since ], ] all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of ], ] the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.<br/>As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before ], ] a survey started that '''will be closed soon at ], ] 23:59:59'''. It should establish two things: |
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*whether the new style maps may be applied as soon as some might become available for countries outside the European continent (or such to depend on future discussions), |
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*which new version (]) should be applied for which countries. |
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Please read the ] (also in other sections ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ]) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the ''']. You are invited''' to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.<br/>There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote ''for'' one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — ] <span style="font-size:.87em;">]] 00:39 (UTC)</span></div> |
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== New Disambiguation == |
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I'm curious what others think about the recently added disambiguation line: |
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''Not to be confused with Slavonia, a region in nearby Croatia.'' |
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If Slavonia were a country, I would understand the need for this line, but it is only a region in Croatia which isn't really that well-known outside a strictly Croatian context. Does Slovenia, and independent country and a EU member, really need to be disambiguated like this from a non-autonomous region whose status is not much different from that of, say, ] in Slovenia? After all, we are not disambiguating Slovenia from Slovakia even though A.) Slovakia, unlike Slavonia, '''is''' an independent country, B.) both Slovakia and Slavonia are exactly two letters removed from Slovenia and C.) Slovenia/Slovakia mix-ups are infinitely more common in the media than Slovenia/Slavonia mix-ups (and are probably more likely to confuse Misplaced Pages users). |
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Your thoughts? ] 08:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC) |
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:I added the disambiguation line. I was reading about Slavonia and thought "people must get this confused with Slovenia alot", and so added disambig. on tha tpage. Then I added a similar one here as well, mostly as force of habit. For what it's worth, Slovenia and Slavonia only have different vowels, which at least to me, seems much more likely to cause confusion than Slovakia, which has a hard k sound to differentiate itself. ] 09:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC) |
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::People mix all three names more often than one would be happy with, so dab links could actually be useful. --] <sup>]</sup> 12:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC) |
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==Slovenia during World War II== |
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What exactly became of Slovenia during World War II? I know the Croatia became the Independent State of Croatia, Montenegro became the Independent State of Montenegro, Serbia was under Mr. Nedic and became known as Nedic's Serbia. What about Slovenia? I remember reading an old vintage Yugo tourist guide from the '80s a couple of weeks ago regarding this, and they did mention that Slovenia had a dictator of some sort, but I forgot the name, and I unfortunately do not have access to the book right now. ] 00:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:Actually, there was no dictator or anything like that. It was split up among Nazi Germany, Italy and Hungary. ] 20:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:Walid point, we shod close this information gap as soon as posibile ] 17:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC) |
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In 1941, when the second world war started for the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, the western parts of today's Slovenia were already a part of the Kingdom of Italia (according to the London Pact, Peace Treaty with Austria-Hungary and Treaty of Rapallo 1920). After the occupation in 1941 the Upper Carniola and Styria were included into a German Zone, intended to be as soon as possible annexed to the Third Reich. This never really took place due to the strong resistant movement as Germans did not want to annex troublesome territories. The Prekmurje region was occupied (with exception to some small western part, once part of Styria) by Hungarinas. The central and southern part of Slovenia (parts of Inner Carniola, Lower Carniola and Ljubljana) were occupied by Italy. It is not widely known that some 20 km² of Slovenia (villages Slovenska vas near Bregana, Nova vas near Mokrice, Jesenice in Dolenjsko, Obrežje and Čedem)were occupied (annexed) by the "Independent State od Croatia - NDH". Only in Italian occupation Zone there was some autonomy left to the local authorities (Province of Ljubljana) but without any real power or symbols of statehood. No puppet state or dictator were installed on these territories. --] 19:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== References == |
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Please if you put references for any new information you add, for the credibility and ] of information. And also please insert references for all existing information. |
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With that action we are helping that article will be rated for ]. --] 13:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC) |
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==not slovakia== |
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Is this distinction really necessary at the top of the page? I can't imagine very many people confusing the two. --] 23:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:I can;-) But agree: distinction is not necessary.--] 08:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::I agree as well. Someone felt the need to distingush to distingush Slovenia from Slavonia a while back. I felt that was unnecessary, so I pointed out that Slovenia and Slovakia weren't disambiguated either. In the end, we ended up with a double disambiguation. Australia and Austria are also confused, yet they aren't disambiguated either. Disambiguations can be useful to get people on the right track, but I think a line should be drawn with independent countries, as they really aren't that obscure. Slovenia and Slovakia are confused all the time, no doubt about it, but that's a problem Misplaced Pages can't solve, especially because the burden falls on users to know what country they need information about '''before''' they look it up on Misplaced Pages. ] 17:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Omann == |
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Has anyone heard the last name Omann in Slovenia? |
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:I don't think this is the right place for your question, but Oman (one "n") is a common last name in Slovenia. ] 17:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== New European vector maps == |
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You're invited to discuss a new series of vector maps to replace those currently used in Country infoboxes: ]. Thanks/] 13:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== Frankolovo == |
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Can anybody write an article about the city "Frankolovo"? ] 19:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC) |
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:Frankolovo is hardly a city, it's a village in the municipality of ]. I don't know, I'm not sure it's markant enough to merit its own Wiki article. ] 20:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Frankolovo is probably the most renown for the "Frankolovo crime" committed by Nazis during the second world war. There is a Wiki stub: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Frankolovo_crime |
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about this. --] 19:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== Recent edit warring == |
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Two editors have been edit warring over this article for last two days. I have temporally returned the old version with correct population statistics, population clock is just an estimation as it clearly says at the website. Therefore it cannot be a reliable source. The edits to the rest of the text are mostly improvement to the article but I want to have the dispute resolved before the edit war continues. Both users, please reach the agreement here and stop calling each other troll or vandal because it is counterproductive. --''']''' 12:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC) |
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==Map caption== |
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{{editprotected}} |
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The caption of the map should be changed to reflect that Slovenia is reflected in RED, not ORANGE on the map. ] (]) 07:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC) |
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: Actually, Slovenia is too small for that. Please remove it from the map completely. ] (]) 09:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC) |
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::Aren't you witty? ] (]) 09:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC) |
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The clearest maps in thus article are one from the grim years of WWII and another of the climate zones with temperature charts included. The map of statistical regions is good but by design it lacks city names. I think it would improve the article to have a map showing major cities (especially Ljubljana) and showing enough of the neighboring nations to place it in Europe. I have seen such a map in the past, but cannot find it online now.
The map in the info box serves mainly to show it is a small nation. Reading that map, it pays to know that already, to find the dark green bit that is Slovenia.
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