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	==Untitled==

	The Section on Largest Mosques uses a Tenplate of largest Cities in China - so the largest Mosque Section is not editable and has errors . I have no idea how to re do the Tenplate so that it can be edited <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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	:<small>1 Cleanup Tag 2 What the sources say on women in the mosques 3 Non-muslims in Mosques 4 Non-muslims in Mosques (Part II) 5 Sister projects 6 Off Main Page Queue 7 Styles section 8 What About Now ? 9 Balance problem, part 2 10 Balance 11 Removal of {{t1\|pov-section}} 12 Sources 13 Removal of {{t1\|cleanup}} Template 14 Conversion of houses of worship of other religions into mosques 15 Mosque 16 Ahmadiyya Source 17 Reading between the Lines 18 Restoration 19 Great Mosque of Djenné 20 gap 21 Mosque in Muslim holy texts 22 Is this page hacked ? 23 Image quality 24 Weapons - Firearms 25 Finsbury Park Mosque and Islamist hatred 26 Muslim view of the Kaaba and al-Aqsa Mosque 26.1 POV and Ethnocentrism 27 Truth a Casualty Again 28 Mosques in the US 29 This Addition 30 Is the term Mosque disrespectful ? 31 Islamic Art and Architecture in the Mosque 32 Architecture / Pope 33 Racist news 34 picture 35 Fair use rationale for Image:Uthman mousq1.jpg 36 Too many pictures on this page? 37 Your article refers to Muslims as Terrorists! 38 Famous Mosques section inaccurate 39 For information 40 Minaret or not ? 41 Prayers 41.1 Not offering all 5 prayers 41.2 Contradiction ? 42 Pictures of Mosques 42.1 Suggestions for pictures 42.1.1 Minarets/Domes 42.1.2 Minbars 42.1.3 Architecture 42.1.4 Ritual purification 42.1.5 Calligraphy 42.1.6 Design/Patterns 42.1.7 Courtyard 42.1.8 Iwan 42.1.9 Interior 42.1.10 Generic 43 Possibily a Doctored Image. 44 A statement is missing 45 Change (Mosque in to Masjid)because we are muslims that's why we only call t Majid.
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	== surau ==

	"surau" redirects to this page but there is no information about "surau" here.
	] (]) 19:05, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

	:''Actually, the word "surau" comes from a Malay word, which means a smaller mosque that can be used for five daily prayers, but cannot used for Friday congregation sermons as well as i'tikaf, a period of retreat usually practiced in larger mosques.''--] (]) 08:18, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


	== "according to the Hadith Muslims must destroy all polytheist buildings of worship" ==

	I could not find any reference for the statement: "according to the Hadith Muslims must destroy all polytheist buildings of worship."

	Please forgive my ignorance but it would be nice to have some authentic reference.

	] (]) 11:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

	To be honest, due to the dubious authenticity of the Hadiths (I mean, they were written long after Muhammad’s death!) it may be untrue. I don’t know if it’s possible to get the Hadiths online like you can so easily with the Qur’an.--] (]) 18:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


	== Masjid ==

	I just found that googling a ] for mosque only had 2,470,000 hits whereas the same ] for masjid had surprisingly more at 3,380,000 hits. I was looking at ] to see how it included the term, masjid , so that I could follow it. To make sure I was following previous ], I checked the ] too but it was rather short, so I scanned the archives and found ] and ] . They made sense to me even though I remembered an embryonic US and ] trend from mosque to masjid in the 1990's. I just wanted to do the SET to set it in the talk before making the changes I was planning. I know I should not have been surprised that masjid had already surpassed mosque in English since I knew that the top five ] contained ] member, ], and the two countries with ], ] and ] but I still was nevertheless. That said, perhaps it is time to start using the more popular term, masjid , on English Misplaced Pages. As this has been contentious before, I invite consensus before planning action. Please articulate your POV.

	Warmest Regards, :)--<small>]</small> ] 09:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

	I agree considering the correct term is Masjid. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:<small>— ] (] • ]) has made ] outside this topic. {{ #if: \| The preceding ] comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}</small>

	I agree with masjid seems to me its the consenses and redirect mosque to masjid article. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:] → ] — Muslims call it Masjid not Mosque ] (]) 04:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	=== Requested move ===
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	:''The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

	'''No consenus''' to move. ] (]) 16:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

	*'''Oppose move.''' Google indicates that mosque is used more than masjid. A google search on English sources shows more instances of than masjid (11.7 million to 6.0 million). Same with gnews hits ( to ). And gnews archives hits ( to ). And gbooks hits ( to ). And google scholar -- 88 thousand to 16.4 thousand. Plus -- this is English wikipedia, so the English word is preferred to the non-English word.--] (]) 08:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	Consensus is to move to Masjid.] (]) 08:15, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
	:Ummm ... perhaps in Florida. Or in SPA-land. But not on Misplaced Pages. Not per Wiki policies. And not -- despite the misleading initial post -- by google searches. Because it is controversial, it should not be moved. I would also ask you to revert the list that you already moved, without consensus. Thanks.--] (]) 08:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	Three people against one is definatly a consensus believe it or not.] (]) 08:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
	:As to what constitutes that three, all I see are you, a Floridian SPA IP, and someone who did what I showed above was clearly an error-ridden google search. The vast majority of references on google, any segment that you look at, are to "mosque". And given that that is the English word, and this is English wikipedia, that is preferred.--] (]) 08:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	One of them concerns the term 'Mosque'. The term 'mosque' is derived from the Spanish word for 'mosquito'.] (]) 08:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
	:The above searches are on English language sources, not Spanish sources, if that is what you are referring to. If your comment has another point, I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say. The spanish word for mosquito is ... mosquito. The Spanish word for mosque is "mezquita" -- something entirely different.--] (]) 08:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	One of them concerns the term 'Mosque'. The term 'mosque' is derived from the Spanish word for 'mosquito'.Its a derogatory term.] (]) 08:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	::The ] indicates that ''mosque'' and ''mosquito'' have independent, separate roots. ] (]) 12:59, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	* '''Oppose'''. We should use the commonly understood English word as per ]. --] (]) 11:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	* Common English usage is ''mosque'', therefore we use it per ]. '''Oppose''', ] (]) 12:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	*'''Oppose''' per UCN. ] (]) 13:21, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

	*'''Oppose''' Still April Fool's in some parts of the world. This RM discussion is ridiculous to the point of a prank. Mosquitos? If there was any seriousness to the nomination, I point to the reasoned arguments above. ] (]) 02:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

	*'''Oppose''' Muslims often call it Mosque, when they talk in English, since this is English Wiki, let it stay that way.{moved location}] (]) 10:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' Ridiculous proposal. Every muslim I know (and there are lots here in the North West of England), talks about ''going to the mosque''. ] (]) 01:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
	*'''Comment''' Some specific examples:
	:::''The Oldham Muslim Centre works actively to promote tolerance and understanding. Along with all the local mosques, we are a member of the Oldham Mosque Council; this binds together Muslims from different backgrounds and strands of Islam.'' from
	:::''Mosque Database: Find a mosque in the database by entering the city/town/locale name (e.g Birmingham) or the first part of the postcode (e.g NW8). Or find a mosque by part of its name (e.g %Noor will find mosques with 'Noor' in the name)'' from
	:::''A mosque is a place of worship for followers of Islam. Muslims often refer to the mosque by its Arabic name, masjid.The word "mosque" in English refers to all types of buildings dedicated for Islamic worship, although there is a distinction in Arabic between the smaller, privately owned mosque and the larger, "collective" mosque, which has more community and social amenities.'' from
	:::''The Mosque is the focal point of a Muslim Community. It is far more than just a place of worship - it is a resource centre, where sections of the people come together for very different events.'' from
	:::] (]) 01:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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	== 'Mosque' and 'Mosquito'. ==
	* One of them concerns the term 'Mosque'. The term 'mosque' is derived from the Spanish word for 'mosquito'. Its a derogatory term.] (]) 08:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
	* I'm not sure why you are repeating yourself three times. Feel free to delete these two sentences of mine, and the preceding two entries you made, to make the lives of those trying to read this easier.--] (]) 09:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
	* The word "mosque" likeliest comes from Arabic "masjid" via its ] pronunciation "masgid" and then transmission via French and Italian sailors etc. ] (]) 10:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
	* For completeness, "mosquito" comes from "]". "Mosque" and "mosquito" are not ] - at best, they are ]. ] (]) 09:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
	Should some mention of ''The Complete Idiot's Guide to Islam'' be made, so that people who have read it won't assume they have all the facts? ] (]) 05:21, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


	== Prophet's Mosque ==

	Why doesn't the history section refer to the first mosque that was defined and created by and with the help of that prophet? ] (]) 00:07, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

	== Number of mosques in the United States ==
	The article says that there are 40,000 to 50,000 mosques in the United States, but there's no citation for that figure. The 2001 survey (cited elsewhere in that paragraph) only found 1,209 mosques in the US. The figure is presumably somewhat higher than 1,209 now, but I'd be surprised if it's more than 1,500. Can anyone come up with a reliable citation for the 40,000-50,000 mosques? ] (]) 14:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


	== Largest Mosques ==
	Not sure if anyone noticed, but the table for the largest mosques links to largest cities in China if you click view. I don't know how to fix this. So here you go.

	] (]) 01:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
	:Thanks. Fixed. ] (]) 02:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


	== Quba Mosque ==

	It is known that the oldest mosque in the North Africa is at Khairouan, Tunisia. However, it is come to my opinion that the '''Quba Mosque''' should be included in the earliest History of Mosques (this article), because Masjid Al-Quba (or The Quba Mosque) has an imporant significance to the history of the construction of mosques since the Early Islamic Period in Mecca. What do you think? --] (]) 04:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


	Why is the Quba Mosque claimed to be one of the oldest, both here and in its own article, when the latter claims it was rebuilt in 1986? I can see that a claim that it is built on the oldest mosque site might stand up to scrutiny, but don't see how a claim that a 1986 building is the oldest is justified. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:23, 15 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Ahmadiyya ==

	Ahmadiyya is considered non-Muslim by most Muslims. Pakistani law prohibits them to call their place of worship a "Mosque" or "Masjid". <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:13, 13 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== non-muslim in Moroccan mosque ==

	Im not sure the guidebook referenced in this text is correct the as I have just been welcomed into the mosque in Fnidaq (town near to Ceuta in north Morocco). I am female and look caucasian and clearly had issues arranging a headscaff, but none of these things seemed to bother the other women. They smiled and generally seemed not to mind my being there or getting the prayer movements wrong occationally. (the lady next to me showed me after prayer that my head should have touched the ground). However we could not speak a word of each others language so it is hard to know for sure if it is the norm for English girls who dont look muslim to be allowed in. Perhaps I ignorantly impossed myself and they were just too polite to throw me out? Its very untouristy the here so I cant imagine its a common problem for this particular mosque. They certainly seemed to relish the opotunity to show me the ropes, for which I am most greatful. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Title change to Masjid ==

	Google indicates that masjid is used more than mosque. A google search on English sources shows more instances of masjid than mosque (79 million to 75.4 million). ] (]) 15:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

	: Doesn't sound plausible to me, but I'll let others who know more discuss it properly (but your is junk, which doesn't fill me with confidence. Ah, but you had the sense to ). In the meantime I've reverted your change to ] - get agreemetn (or not) here first ] (]) 16:12, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
	::This is the English version of Misplaced Pages, and as such the term Mosque is probably more familiar to most readers. . . ] (]) 16:14, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
	:::''Masjid'', of course, is the proper title in Arabic, but not in English. English Misplaced Pages article titles use the appropriate English name, and since few English speakers would know that ''masjid'' is the Arabic word for mosque, it would be a poor choice of a search term target. See ] and ] for the policy. By the way, there is no link between "mosque" and "mosquito." The former probably has its origins in an English pronunciation of ''masjid'', and the latter is derived from Spanish and Portuguese, and ultimately from Latin (''musca''), which obviously predates Islam, so there is no derogatory implication. This has been discussed before; look farther up the page. '''<span style="font-family:Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

	Note that Modeltookmodeltook has now moved a large number of "X mosque" pages to "X masjid". I've raised this at ANI (]) ] (]) 16:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
	:He's been blocked. Side note - mosque it should stay. ]] 16:33, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

	<s>'''Agree''' - It should be moved to masjid. ] (]) 16:38, 29 August 2012 (UTC)</s>{{small\|Per discussion at the aforementioned ANI thread, this is an IPsock of the original poster agreeing with himself.}}
	:Per ], nope. --<font face="Book Antiqua">] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></font> 16:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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	== Not featured standard ==

	This is definitely not up to featured article standard
	#Many pictures used are of low quality
	#The lead does not summarise the article, it jumps to the details straight away and is too short
	#For such a key subject of Islam, this page is very short
	#No diagram like we have on ]
	#] only mentions examples of modern day examples, nothing historical like other sections.
	#Pictures plastered ''everywhere'' and some huge gallery for some reason.

	There is some certainly good parts to this article, but I don't believe it's very comprehensive, or has a good lead or suitable media. Compared to other featured article, this is substandard.--] (]) 20:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

	:I was going to say much the same thing. I, a non-Muslim, came here due to a discussion about another article. I realized that I didn't know exactly what a mosque is. This should be the first sentence of this article. After skimming through the article I still don't know exactly what is a mosque and what is some other place of worship. ] (]) 16:12, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

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	Is there any functional difference between a Mosque and Masjid? best, ] (]) 14:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)		Is there any functional difference between a Mosque and Masjid? best, ] (]) 14:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

			:Came to request this as well... looking at the derivation of Nabatean Arabic I guess it's just closer to the Arabic, where 'mosque' is from French but, I think a better explanation of why 'mosque' has become the dominant term in the west. ] (]) 20:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
			::It's not a functional difference. Mosque is the English word. ''Masjid'' is the Arabic word, from which "mosque" also ultimately derives (, ), as do ]s in other languages. From personal experience, I know some Muslims use the Arabic word in English (as they also use other Arabic words in English or in ]), but it's not used by the average English speaker.
			::It's questionable whether "''masjid''" should be included as an alternative term in bold on this English article, when the Arabic term is already provided in parentheses per ]; I don't see the harm, unless it indeed causes this kind of confusion. ] (]) 20:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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			The Arabic script in the article has been just changed in by inserting a ], but at least on my display the new version of the script is actually harder to read than it was previously with the just the bare lang template, which displayed the Arabic script just fine. Is this just me? And is there generally a good reason to use this template in this context? Asking not just for this article but also to know what might work best for other articles with Arabic script. This could be for {{u\|AstroMageYT}} to explain or just anyone else with thoughts/opinions. Thanks, ] (]) 18:22, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

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			When hovering over a link to this page, you get an image of the flag of Israel which is clearly not appropriate here. This is a screenshot if you need it: https://i.imgur.com/8xWh3Or.png. ] (]) 19:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

			:Curious, I see it too, but I'm not sure where it's coming from, since it's not in the article as far as I can tell (minus a mini-flag icon in one of the tables). And it's not in the associated Wikimedia pages (like Wikidata), in case it was somehow being pulled from there. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of how previews work can clarify? ] (]) 19:22, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
			:PS: I assume this can be overridden by adding a ]. But it would be good to know what's causing this. ] (]) 19:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
			::Indeed, I am confused by this as well. I initially assumed this was clear-cut vandalism but doesn't appear to be the case which makes this all the more interesting. ] (]) 22:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
			::This also happens with ] which has absolutely no direct reference to flag of Israel images. ] (]) 22:03, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
			:::For what it's worth, I've posted a question about this to ] at MediaWiki, which seems to be the place to ask about issues with page previews. ] (]) 22:22, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
			:See ], ]. I've purged the page cache so it should be fixed now. ] (]) 06:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
			::Ah, thank you! I believe I've successfully purged the cache ] as well (I had to look it up how at ]). ] (]) 06:38, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

			== "First mosque" claims ==

			Just a further explanatory note to my edit . The ] in Eritrea is not securely dated, isn't mentioned as the "first mosque" by most (if any) reliable sources, and the source provided for this () doesn't make this claim either. At best, this could be mentioned as one of the many mosques out there for which there are claims of a very early date, though at the moment there seem to be few sources giving details about this mosque anyways (see ]). (If relevant, see also a similar comment I left at ].) ] (]) 06:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

			== Overlap between sections ==

			There is a significant amount of topic overlap between the "Diffusion and evolution" section (under "History") and the "Styles" section (under "Architecture"). Both of them effectively talk about the development or characteristics of mosque architecture in different regions, in some cases even restating the same things a second time. I presume we should move all the architecture-related content to the actual "Architecture" ("Styles") section, and perhaps keep the "Diffusion" section about the spread of mosques as places of worship (rather than as building styles). This is beyond what I can do at the moment, but certainly a needed improvement in the future. ] (]) 02:35, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

			== Masjid not Mosque ==

			it should be Masjid not Mosque because it is there official name of it the real name of it. In Arabic language it is masjid not mosque. It should be changed also by ] According to . I request to move this page. ] (]) 19:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

			:Don't be silly, this is the English Misplaced Pages and ''masjid'' is obviously not the English word and not the common name for our purposes. ], which tracks Google searches across many languages, is irrelevant to ]. ], which can track ], makes the situation obvious: . ] (]) 20:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
			::You know that the English Misplaced Pages is used by all Even the Google itself . Nowadays Misplaced Pages English isn't just for English people but for all everyone searches on Google and Google shows the search results from Misplaced Pages English. Everyone use English smartphone or computer. English is the most used language in worldwide. So in Misplaced Pages there must be authentic information like real name and should there also as per ] "MOSQUE" Is an English word for English people but English Misplaced Pages is used by whole world. And masjid is the word which is used by Muslims all over the world. Even by the non-Muslims who are not English. ] (]) 08:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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			== Lead image ==

			@]: when you're reverted, please use the talk page instead of reinstating your edit, as required per ] and ]. As for the lead image, the article has gone on without one for years with no problem, so it's hardly necessary. (And the example of ] that you alluded too has also gone on without an image for years; the one there at the moment was added mere by an IP.) If one is desired here, then it should be an image of a mosque with more universal importance, which is what would make sense per ] and ]. My recommendation would be the Prophet's Mosque in Medina (e.g. ), given not just its pan-Islamic religious importance but also its role as a model for early mosques (as explained in the article with sources). ] (]) 22:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

			:Okay. ] (]) 18:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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Frequency of attendance

The list in the section on Frequency of attendance is surprising, to me at least - the top of the list is dominated by African states and Saudi Arabia (27%) is just above Denmark (25%), and way below many Western countries. How accurate is the list, or are Islamic states less religiously observant than they are often perceived? JezGrove (talk) 20:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

History Section Misrepresentation

The history section attempts to misrepresent sources. The view that Islam predates Muhammad, is not supported by historians (secular). Apart from the Quran being cited, the following quote cites some sources that reference Islam's ties to other Abrahamic prophets, although it does not ouright mention that Islam is predated by Muhammad (Not in the way that it is being represented here).

Other scholars, referring to passages of the Quran, state that Islam as a religion preceded Muhammad, and includes previous prophets such as Abraham.

The source: •Peters, F.E. (2003). Islam: A Guide for Jews and Christians. Princeton University Press. p. 9. ISBN 978-0-691-11553-5.

The following source, seems to also be misrepresented. As the source aims to provide an academic description of Islam, and mentions Muhammad being a reformer and not founding a new religion, as the intention was to restore the alleged original faith. The source says "For Muhammad, Islam was not a new faith but the restoration of the true faith" (Esposito 1998, Page 12). It does not claim Islam predates Muhammad, it mentions and explains the Islamic view of Islam not being a new faith, thus the claim of "Islam predating Muhammad" is the Islamic view (Muhammad's view).

Therefore, the sentence structure is misleading, as it abuses the sources by referencing scholars that reference the Quran. At best, it is still the Islamic view.

The claim that Kaaba was built by Abraham is another disputed topic, that is the Islamic, not scholarly view. Just because a source elabroates or explores Islam, does not signify it is an academic source that supports the Islamic view, it is merely explaining it in its own religious context. This section is in regards to the History of a mosque, I do not see how the prophet thing is relevant, for the Islamic view of Kaaba, this is relevant although it should be clearly presented as the Muslim interpretation. At best the claim is disputed, look at the Kaaba article for more information regarding the scholarly view vs the muslim historical view.

The solution which I will do as of now, is to reword these sections as clearly Muslim historical/religious interpretations. Although I welcome others to add on sources, relevant to the claims of the first mosque, that mention the scholarly- not Muslim, view. ChaoticTexan (talk) 03:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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Mosque v. Masjid

Is there any functional difference between a Mosque and Masjid? best, 82.46.164.90 (talk) 14:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Came to request this as well... looking at the derivation of Nabatean Arabic I guess it's just closer to the Arabic, where 'mosque' is from French but, I think a better explanation of why 'mosque' has become the dominant term in the west. Mercster (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

It's not a functional difference. Mosque is the English word. Masjid is the Arabic word, from which "mosque" also ultimately derives (, ), as do cognates in other languages. From personal experience, I know some Muslims use the Arabic word in English (as they also use other Arabic words in English or in code-switching), but it's not used by the average English speaker.

It's questionable whether "masjid" should be included as an alternative term in bold on this English article, when the Arabic term is already provided in parentheses per MOS:ALTNAME; I don't see the harm, unless it indeed causes this kind of confusion. R Prazeres (talk) 20:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Artem.G (talk · contribs) 19:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I was thinking of reviewing this article, but instead I would just quick fail it.

The article has a lot of clean-up tags: x7 and , . Some images are not very informative or just bad - File:Зеница_20191024_192120.jpg, File:Зеница_20190509_164252.jpg. Several sections are poorly cited: Ramadan, Charity, Frequency of attendance has a table with the data for 2009-2012 (it was 10 years ago, updated is needed), Architecture, Prayer hall, Makhphil, Mihrab, Minarets, Domes, Contemporary features, Rules and etiquette, Concentration. For the article of such importance all these points should be addressed before re-nomination.

I don't want to discourage you, and this article is really tough one, but I suggest you to go to WP:GOCE for copy-editing and, maybe, to Misplaced Pages:Peer review to get more specific comments. But right now it's a failed GAN . Artem.G (talk) 19:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Lang/script templates

The Arabic script in the article has been just changed in this edit by inserting a "Script" template, but at least on my display the new version of the script is actually harder to read than it was previously with the just the bare lang template, which displayed the Arabic script just fine. Is this just me? And is there generally a good reason to use this template in this context? Asking not just for this article but also to know what might work best for other articles with Arabic script. This could be for AstroMageYT to explain or just anyone else with thoughts/opinions. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 18:22, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

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Bad Image On Hover

When hovering over a link to this page, you get an image of the flag of Israel which is clearly not appropriate here. This is a screenshot if you need it: https://i.imgur.com/8xWh3Or.png. RisingTzar (talk) 19:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Curious, I see it too, but I'm not sure where it's coming from, since it's not in the article as far as I can tell (minus a mini-flag icon in one of the tables). And it's not in the associated Wikimedia pages (like Wikidata), in case it was somehow being pulled from there. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of how previews work can clarify? R Prazeres (talk) 19:22, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

PS: I assume this can be overridden by adding a lead image. But it would be good to know what's causing this. R Prazeres (talk) 19:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, I am confused by this as well. I initially assumed this was clear-cut vandalism but doesn't appear to be the case which makes this all the more interesting. RisingTzar (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

This also happens with Waqf which has absolutely no direct reference to flag of Israel images. RisingTzar (talk) 22:03, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I've posted a question about this to Talk:Reading/Web at MediaWiki, which seems to be the place to ask about issues with page previews. R Prazeres (talk) 22:22, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Pages hacked by israiyl flag, Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)#I can't access some pages. I've purged the page cache so it should be fixed now. Nardog (talk) 06:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thank you! I believe I've successfully purged the cache Waqf as well (I had to look it up how at Help:Purge). R Prazeres (talk) 06:38, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

"First mosque" claims

Just a further explanatory note to my edit here. The Mosque of the Companions in Eritrea is not securely dated, isn't mentioned as the "first mosque" by most (if any) reliable sources, and the source provided for this (Reid 2012 p.106) doesn't make this claim either. At best, this could be mentioned as one of the many mosques out there for which there are claims of a very early date, though at the moment there seem to be few sources giving details about this mosque anyways (see Talk:Mosque of the Companions). (If relevant, see also a similar comment I left at Talk:List of the oldest mosques.) R Prazeres (talk) 06:57, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Overlap between sections

There is a significant amount of topic overlap between the "Diffusion and evolution" section (under "History") and the "Styles" section (under "Architecture"). Both of them effectively talk about the development or characteristics of mosque architecture in different regions, in some cases even restating the same things a second time. I presume we should move all the architecture-related content to the actual "Architecture" ("Styles") section, and perhaps keep the "Diffusion" section about the spread of mosques as places of worship (rather than as building styles). This is beyond what I can do at the moment, but certainly a needed improvement in the future. R Prazeres (talk) 02:35, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Masjid not Mosque

it should be Masjid not Mosque because it is there official name of it the real name of it. In Arabic language it is masjid not mosque. It should be changed also by WP: COMMONNAMES According to Google trends. I request to move this page. Therealbey (talk) 19:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't be silly, this is the English Misplaced Pages and masjid is obviously not the English word and not the common name for our purposes. Google Trends, which tracks Google searches across many languages, is irrelevant to WP:COMMONNAME. Ngram, which can track published sources, makes the situation obvious: . R Prazeres (talk) 20:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

You know that the English Misplaced Pages is used by all Even the Google itself . Nowadays Misplaced Pages English isn't just for English people but for all everyone searches on Google and Google shows the search results from Misplaced Pages English. Everyone use English smartphone or computer. English is the most used language in worldwide. So in Misplaced Pages there must be authentic information like real name and should there also as per WP: COMMONNAMES "MOSQUE" Is an English word for English people but English Misplaced Pages is used by whole world. And masjid is the word which is used by Muslims all over the world. Even by the non-Muslims who are not English. Therealbey (talk) 08:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Introduction to Islamic Art History

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Lead image

@AimanAbir18plus: when you're reverted, please use the talk page instead of reinstating your edit, as required per WP:BRD and WP:EDITWAR. As for the lead image, the article has gone on without one for years with no problem, so it's hardly necessary. (And the example of Church (building) that you alluded too has also gone on without an image for years; the one there at the moment was added mere hours ago by an IP.) If one is desired here, then it should be an image of a mosque with more universal importance, which is what would make sense per MOS:LEADIMAGE and WP:NPOV. My recommendation would be the Prophet's Mosque in Medina (e.g. ), given not just its pan-Islamic religious importance but also its role as a model for early mosques (as explained in the article with sources). R Prazeres (talk) 22:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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