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== Plot summary for lead ==
== Is "some musical numbers" really the best way to describe the section? ==


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If not, what would a better fitting name be. It just personally doesn't feel encyclopedic enough to me the way it is now. ] (]) 22:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
:A good question: what's on offer are "highlights". In featured opera articles these are sometimes discussed under '''Music''' ] or in the synopsis ]. For this opera a complete list would be more useful as with ], ] ]. An example using both is ] and ]. ] (]) 22:50, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
::I've added the missing numbers. Feel free to improve. -- ] (]) 02:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


''The allegorical plot was influenced by Schikaneder and ] and concerns the initiation of Prince Tamino. Enlisted by the Queen of the Night to rescue her daughter Pamina from the high priest Sarastro, Tamino comes to admire the high ideals of Sarastro. He and Pamina both join Sarastro's community, while the Queen and her allies are vanquished.
== I added a section that plays the entire opera as 30 ogg files ==


with an older version:
I added the gallery of 30 ogg files that I found on ]. You might instead prefer a link out to a review of Bergman's 1977 film that is under construction in Wikiversity at ]. I might add that this collection from Commons has value even though one can always find a rendition of this opera for free on the internet: Unlike YouTube or other online sites, this version is guaranteed to be stable and free of advertisements. --] (]) 21:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

''In the opera the Queen of the Night persuades Prince Tamino to rescue her daughter Pamina from captivity under the high priest Sarastro; instead, he learns the high ideals of Sarastro's community and seeks to join it. Separately, then together, Tamino and Pamina undergo severe trials of initiation, which end in triumph, with the Queen and her cohorts vanquished. The earthy Papageno, who accompanies Tamino on his quest, fails the trials completely but is rewarded anyway with the hand of his ideal female companion Papagena.

Reasons:
* The view that the plot is allegorical (i.e. about Maria Theresia) is controversial, and perhaps is even acquiring the status of a crackpot theory; see ] for discussion.
* The Freemasonry claim is certainly common but it is now called into question by thoughtful people; see again ]. While it may still have adherents, in general we don't put controversial speculation into the lead as if it were fact.
* The old plot summary I restored is hardly any longer but has some really essential things: the trials the characters undergo, and the character Papageno (who I suspect has more stage time than anyone else).
] (]) 00:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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Plot summary for lead

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The allegorical plot was influenced by Schikaneder and Mozart's interest in Freemasonry and concerns the initiation of Prince Tamino. Enlisted by the Queen of the Night to rescue her daughter Pamina from the high priest Sarastro, Tamino comes to admire the high ideals of Sarastro. He and Pamina both join Sarastro's community, while the Queen and her allies are vanquished.

with an older version:

In the opera the Queen of the Night persuades Prince Tamino to rescue her daughter Pamina from captivity under the high priest Sarastro; instead, he learns the high ideals of Sarastro's community and seeks to join it. Separately, then together, Tamino and Pamina undergo severe trials of initiation, which end in triumph, with the Queen and her cohorts vanquished. The earthy Papageno, who accompanies Tamino on his quest, fails the trials completely but is rewarded anyway with the hand of his ideal female companion Papagena.

Reasons:

  • The view that the plot is allegorical (i.e. about Maria Theresia) is controversial, and perhaps is even acquiring the status of a crackpot theory; see Libretto of the Magic Flute for discussion.
  • The Freemasonry claim is certainly common but it is now called into question by thoughtful people; see again Libretto of the Magic Flute. While it may still have adherents, in general we don't put controversial speculation into the lead as if it were fact.
  • The old plot summary I restored is hardly any longer but has some really essential things: the trials the characters undergo, and the character Papageno (who I suspect has more stage time than anyone else).

Opus33 (talk) 00:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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