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== "Religion = None (atheist)" or "Religion = Jewish atheist"? ==

Surely, as "]" is an article on Misplaced Pages, and as Mr. Miliband refers to himself as such (as stated later on in the article), then shouldn't this be changed? Or is there a specific Misplaced Pages policy on this which I have not read yet? – ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 20:49, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

:There is no evidence whatsoever that Miliband adheres to any form of atheism specific to people of Jewish descent. Concluding that he does would constitute original research. And incidentally, no form of atheism can be described as a religion. ] (]) 20:54, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

:: (from the article) {{quote|"''Miliband is of ] heritage—the first Jewish leader of the Labour Party<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/38701/ed-miliband-labours-first-jewish-leader|title=Ed Miliband is Labour's first Jewish leader|author=Jennifer Lipman|newspaper=]|date=26 September 2010|accessdate=20 November 2013|archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20100928230259/http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/38701/ed-miliband-labours-first-jewish-leader|archivedate=28 September 2010|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/im-jewish-ed-miliband-is-jewish-were-all-jewish-so-maybe-britain-is-one-nation-after-all-8199966.html|title=I'm Jewish. Ed Miliband is Jewish. We're all Jewish. So maybe Britain is One Nation, after all|author=Howard Jacobson|newspaper=]|date=5 October 2012|accessdate=20 November 2013|archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20121008002009/http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/im-jewish-ed-miliband-is-jewish-were-all-jewish-so-maybe-britain-is-one-nation-after-all-8199966.html|archivedate=8 October 2012|deadurl=no}}</ref>—and describes himself as a ].<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10761625/Ed-Milibands-hope-to-be-Britains-first-Jewish-PM.html| newspaper=The Telegraph|title=Ed Miliband’s hope to be 'Britain’s first Jewish PM'|author=Steven Swinford|date= 12 April 2014|quote=I have a particular faith, I describe myself as a Jewish atheist. I'm Jewish by birth origin and it's part of who I am. I don't believe in God, but I think faith is a really important thing for a lot of people. It provides nourishment, a faith about how you change the world.}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|last=Bright|first= Martin|date=4 November 2010|url=http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/40603/ed-miliband-hamas-ken-livingstone-and-jewish-values|title=Ed Miliband: Hamas, Ken Livingstone and Jewish values|newspaper=]|location=London|quote=My Jewish identity was such a substantial part of my upbringing that it informs what I am|archivedate=13 November 2010|deadurl=no|archiveurl=
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:: and the source given from the telegraph includes his quotation: "''I have a particular faith, '''I describe myself as a Jewish atheist.''''' " (emphasis added)
:: I'm pretty sure someone saying that they are a Jewish atheist is sufficient 'evidence' for the case of them being so. It's not trying to claim that atheism is a religion by any means, but Jewish atheism is a separate thing from atheism alone, otherwise there would not be a separate Misplaced Pages article on the subject. Why is this not mentioned in the infobox? – ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 21:08, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
::: Or if it would be better, "Religion = None (Jewish atheist)" – ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 21:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
::::The fact that Misplaced Pages has an article on 'Jewish atheism' is neither here nor there - we do not cite Misplaced Pages as a source. As for what Miliband said, he describes himself as a 'Jewish atheist' certainly - but isn't an assertion that he adheres to a specific form of (non)belief known as 'Jewish atheism' - if such a thing actually exists. He is certainly Jewish by descent, and an atheist - but his self-description tells us nothing more than that. ] (]) 22:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
::::: Remove the wikilink to "Jewish atheist" in the "]" section of the article then. – ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 13:25, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

The religious views are still "none (atheist)". Jewish atheist is not a special type of view; it describes a cultural and/or ethic affinity with Judaism despite being an atheist.] (]) 14:15, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


Ed was head of Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change from 2008 to 2010. This is a slighly different department from Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero which is the role he currently holds. I think his 2008 role should be split out from his current role. ] (]) 10:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
:I fail to understand because we know that ] support that Miliband is both a Jew and an atheist: ''"There was no religion at home and Mr Miliband confirmed for the first time that he is an atheist. "Obviously I'm Jewish, it is part of my identity, but not in a religious sense. I don't wish I had had a more religious upbringing but I have Jewish friends who were part of the Jewish community growing up, going to Jewish youth clubs and other things. I think I felt slightly jealous."'' ] (]) 13:21, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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Ed was head of Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change from 2008 to 2010. This is a slighly different department from Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero which is the role he currently holds. I think his 2008 role should be split out from his current role. Fishyrabbit (talk) 10:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

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