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==Cite your sources== ==Cite your sources==
'''CITE YOUR SOURCES''' - it is as simple as that.--] 22:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC) '''CITE YOUR SOURCES''' - it is as simple as that.--] 22:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


TO WHOMEVER POSTED PARAGRAPH BELOW: I READ THE CNN ARTICLE THREE TIMES. NOT ONCE IS IS QUOTED IN THE CNN STORY THAT "FBI AND OTHER AGENCIES WERE LOOKING INOT THE CRDIBILITY OF VARIOUS CLAIMS BARRESI HAS MADE DURIN GTHE PAST THREE DECADES." PAUL BARRESI


== Just to be clear == == Just to be clear ==
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:That's quite possible. IMDb bios are of varying quality, occasionally amounting to little more than trivia and/or gossip. In this case, IMDb was the only source that listed a DOB. If this is indeed in dispute, I'll remove the DOB and restore the remaining stub info. --]&nbsp;<small>]</small> 01:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC) :That's quite possible. IMDb bios are of varying quality, occasionally amounting to little more than trivia and/or gossip. In this case, IMDb was the only source that listed a DOB. If this is indeed in dispute, I'll remove the DOB and restore the remaining stub info. --]&nbsp;<small>]</small> 01:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


TO THE EDITORS. PLEASE STOP DELETING PHOTOS I HAVE POSTED WHICH I OWN. PAUL BARRESI <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:21, 4 December 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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== Should we edit this article for the real guy== == Should we edit this article for the real guy==


::I am not sure I found that late last night from a link on his Wiki article. I spent the rest of the night reading all of the notes over the years about this guy in the archive talk section. Do we really even want to try to get it more objective or spend much time on this article? ] (]) 23:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
You can find the part of his probation, and revocation of his license and all of his convictions at
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=26529&P_LTE_ID=651 and download the length of his investigations and why and download the whole file at Public Record Document: pi-26529_2012_10_25_dec.pdf ] You can also talk to me about this on my own talk page (]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added 07:48, 24 November 2012 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: We can't base article text on that document, per ]. Was there secondary coverage? --] (]) 16:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

::I am not sure I found that late last night from a link on his Wiki article. I spent the rest of the night reading all of the notes over the years about this guy in the archive talk section. I mean the guy signed that he agreed to what the State of California said about him, but he seems like a bully to everyone to get things his way, never saw before I started reading where someone was involved in their own Wiki article. I will do some checking over the weekend, but he was probably able to get this shut down by being a bully. Do we really even want to try to get it more objective or spend much time on this article? ] (]) 23:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


:::Please be very cautious in what statements get made on this talk page. This biography has been subject to ] sanctions due to legal threats. I have redacted some BLP stuff in your comment above. Please do not opine on the motives or character of living persons. I agree we should note that he is either a formerly licensed private investigator or remove it entirely. I would also review to confirm they comply with policy. He is clearly notable and merits an article, but the biographical materials outside of pornography need to be extremely carefully sourced and presented. They include statements about other people, living and dead, which should all be impeccably sourced and presented neutrally. ] (]) 23:56, 24 November 2012 (UTC) :::Please be very cautious in what statements get made on this talk page. This biography has been subject to ] sanctions due to legal threats. I have redacted some BLP stuff in your comment above. Please do not opine on the motives or character of living persons. I agree we should note that he is either a formerly licensed private investigator or remove it entirely. I would also review to confirm they comply with policy. He is clearly notable and merits an article, but the biographical materials outside of pornography need to be extremely carefully sourced and presented. They include statements about other people, living and dead, which should all be impeccably sourced and presented neutrally. ] (]) 23:56, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
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: Hmm. I wonder what happened with respect to the first film you mentioned, I'm a little confused. There's fairly old references to someone with your name in "LA Plays Itself" (you can see a couple snippets at https://www.google.com/search?q=barresi+%22LA+Plays+Itself.%22&oq=barresi+%22LA+Plays+Itself.%22&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l3.2053&sugexp=chrome,mod=6&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=barresi+%22LA+Plays+Itself.%22&hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=bks&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=FB3EUOGMFonVyAGMvoHgCA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=9b1deae9e667e29e&bpcl=39650382&biw=680&bih=416 ), I'm half-tempted to wonder if there's another Paul Barresi out there. Or if an error was made in 1994 and it's just being replicated. Or what. Hmmm. --]] 05:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC) : Hmm. I wonder what happened with respect to the first film you mentioned, I'm a little confused. There's fairly old references to someone with your name in "LA Plays Itself" (you can see a couple snippets at https://www.google.com/search?q=barresi+%22LA+Plays+Itself.%22&oq=barresi+%22LA+Plays+Itself.%22&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l3.2053&sugexp=chrome,mod=6&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=barresi+%22LA+Plays+Itself.%22&hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=bks&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=FB3EUOGMFonVyAGMvoHgCA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=9b1deae9e667e29e&bpcl=39650382&biw=680&bih=416 ), I'm half-tempted to wonder if there's another Paul Barresi out there. Or if an error was made in 1994 and it's just being replicated. Or what. Hmmm. --]] 05:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
::There is a Paul Barresi in Australia who is making a name for himself as a local polititian. He was born in 1947. The birth date of this Paul Barresi is not accurate; he is older than 1949 birth! ] (]) 19:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC) ::There is a Paul Barresi in Australia who is making a name for himself as a local polititian. He was born in 1947. The birth date of this Paul Barresi is not accurate; he is older than 1949 birth! ] (]) 19:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

==Vandalism of this talk page by Paul Barresi==

Using IP Address: 75.140.13.75 Mr. Barresi or someone pretending to be him is posting false claims here as of 01-Dec-2013. The claim is that the P.I. license would be available in 1 year after it was revoked. However having been revoked in 07 January 2012, it has clearly been just shy of 2 years and no new applications are on record. If one reads the details in the cited sources one will find that the article is indeed accurate. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:75.140.13.75
Also on the source showing the license has been revoked, note that the license is NOT SUSPENDED; it is indeed revoked! Had it been suspended per instructions on the source cited, Mr. Barresi's claim would be true. ] (]) 16:42, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


== BLP == == BLP ==

Per claims made ], I have some text. It looks like this was a long time coming; the CNN article supports the revocation of the license and should probably be cited as well, and the first sentence is problematic. There seems to be some complexity to the story of FBI files which is not made clear in the article; it seems incorrect to say that CNN reports there are FBI files when their fourth paragraph states "But journalists and others who have closely followed the controversies and legal fights surrounding the pop star found the description by the Sunday People newspaper of the documents as being from FBI files to be questionable." I think some complexity can be reflected in the article, but it was not and per BLP I removed the sentence. --] (]) 01:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


:I think that given Mr. Barresi's (if that's really him) objections, the article should be checked for neutrality. It is over half negative, after all. ] (]) 01:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC) :I think that given Mr. Barresi's (if that's really him) objections, the article should be checked for neutrality. It is over half negative, after all. ] (]) 01:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


:The CNN ref should be restored with respect to the license being revoked, and the ref to the state website should be removed as it is a primary source.] (]) 04:36, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
:::I am grateful that other editors have taken the challenging task of cleaning up this article into hand! I feel the CNN article should be cited. However this is an encyclopedic article and should be NEUTRAL as mentioned above. Making this article neutral is daunting. With reference to Barresi's early life and post Pellicano sentencing, it might also be noted that Mr. Barresi was banned from his own father's funeral in 2011, http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlla/paul-barresi-arnold-schwarzenegger-sylvester-stallone-eddie-murphy-lemoore-california_b42204 :::I am grateful that other editors have taken the challenging task of cleaning up this article into hand! I feel the CNN article should be cited. However this is an encyclopedic article and should be NEUTRAL as mentioned above. Making this article neutral is daunting. With reference to Barresi's early life and post Pellicano sentencing, it might also be noted that Mr. Barresi was banned from his own father's funeral in 2011, http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlla/paul-barresi-arnold-schwarzenegger-sylvester-stallone-eddie-murphy-lemoore-california_b42204


:::I feel also that comments containing vulgarity and personal attacks ~above~ should be removed from the talk page. ] (]) 16:48, 3 December 2013 (UTC) :::I feel also that comments containing vulgarity and personal attacks ~above~ should be removed from the talk page. ] (]) 16:48, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

::::I hear you, but since it seems to be the subject of the article, I think that we ought to cut him some slack. It's an expression of frustration, not wholly unjustified, not an attack on anyone in particular. We can take it! ] (]) 17:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::well, the state ref, despite being a primary source, is probably as reliable as a secondary or tertiary source, due to it being a governmental record. there are always exceptions to most every rule. -- ]<sup>] - ]</sup> 18:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
::::::Primary sources need to be interpreted with caution, though. For example, not being a PI, I have ''absolutely no idea'' how hard reinstatement is: is it the same as getting a new one from scratch, or is it harder, or do they just laugh at you? No idea at all. Any Misplaced Pages editor who claims he ''does'' know may be telling the truth, or may only think he is, or may be playing games with us for his own amusement and lying. So our policy is, we don't try to interpret the primary source beyond the bare fact that it was revoked, here's the notice, get on with it, and even citing the notice is likely to draw some fire, because some here feel that citing random public records about people can turn into an abuse. I personally think that citing the public record to back up an otherwise secondary sourced claim, especially when the source cites it itself, is important (for example, citing Obama's birth certificate directly) though dipping into these on their own can get dicey (if you look up a birth certificate to get the age for someone when you don't know it from a secondary source, are you sure you didn't get the wrong person). ] (]) 18:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


:(ec) included some copy-editing of a veritable petting zoo of ] violations, but it also deletes a lot of references and material based on them, some for being dead links (which we should remember is not actually the same as unsourced, though I can see in this context why people don't want to take someone's word for what they said) and others that aren't even. :(ec) included some copy-editing of a veritable petting zoo of ] violations, but it also deletes a lot of references and material based on them, some for being dead links (which we should remember is not actually the same as unsourced, though I can see in this context why people don't want to take someone's word for what they said) and others that aren't even.
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*ref name=Frontline>Cramer, Richard Ben (February 15, 1994) '']'', PBS</ref> *ref name=Frontline>Cramer, Richard Ben (February 15, 1994) '']'', PBS</ref>
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*ref name="young">Young, Paul (2002). ''L.A. Exposed: Strange Myths and Curious Legends in the City of Angels.'' St. Martin's Griffin, ISBN 978-0-312-20646-8</ref> *ref name="young">Young, Paul (2002). ''L.A. Exposed: Strange Myths and Curious Legends in the City of Angels.'' St. Martin's Griffin, {{ISBN|978-0-312-20646-8}}</ref>
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::: Found . Several of these look the same way - I think the Daily News corrupted their database somehow and concatenated some of their articles. ::: Found . Several of these look the same way - I think the Daily News corrupted their database somehow and concatenated some of their articles.
*ref name="morton2008">Morton, Andrew R.. '']''. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-35986-1</ref> *ref name="morton2008">Morton, Andrew R.. '']''. New York: St. Martin's Press. {{ISBN|0-312-35986-1}}</ref>
::: (book) ::: (book)
*ref name=RushMolloy>Rush, George and Joanna Molloy (May 20, 2005). {{dead link|date=March 2013}} '']''</ref>{{dead link|date=March 2013}} *ref name=RushMolloy>Rush, George and Joanna Molloy (May 20, 2005). {{dead link|date=March 2013}} '']''</ref>{{dead link|date=March 2013}}
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*ref name=Grove0506>Grove, Lloyd (May 9, 2006). {{dead link|date=March 2013}} '']''</ref>{{dead link|date=March 2013}} *ref name=Grove0506>Grove, Lloyd (May 9, 2006). {{dead link|date=March 2013}} '']''</ref>{{dead link|date=March 2013}}
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*ref> http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/showbiz/michael-jackson-files/index.html </ref>
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::: Live
:Given the fairly hostile way some of the text is written, and the selective use/misuse of data from some of the sources, I appreciate the need to go through things carefully, but let's not destroy the village to save it - at some point people need to go back, run through this list, see which sources are irretrievably bad, which ones are archived somewhere, etc., and regenerate some neutrally written text based on many of these. ] (]) 18:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC) :Given the fairly hostile way some of the text is written, and the selective use/misuse of data from some of the sources, I appreciate the need to go through things carefully, but let's not destroy the village to save it - at some point people need to go back, run through this list, see which sources are irretrievably bad, which ones are archived somewhere, etc., and regenerate some neutrally written text based on many of these. ] (]) 18:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


::: I went through above and sorted out the links. Note that the people putting in "dead link" were really not looking ''at all'' - it would have been just as easy to update the link to a live one as to put the tag, because all you had to do for most of them was search the headline in any engine! ] (]) 04:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC) ::: I went through above and sorted out the links. Note that the people putting in "dead link" were really not looking ''at all'' - it would have been just as easy to update the link to a live one as to put the tag, because all you had to do for most of them was search the headline in any engine! ] (]) 04:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


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== New Revisions, Poorly cited or mis-Cited ==


Hello fellow Wikipedians,
Several revisions have recently been done to this article. However, the citations given in the new revision do not necessarily cite what is claimed. There are also many claims with no citations whatsoever. The article also suggests that Barresi is currently a licensed Private Investigator in California yet there's no evidence that his license was ever renewed. The entire article deserves to be completely re-visioned and provided with proper sources to support what is stated. ] (]) 18:57, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
: Mr.Barresi's P.I. License HAS NOT BEEN RENEWED! This article is rife with FRAUD! It is also quite full of unreliable sources and completely unsourced claims! ] (]) 19:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


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His license was revoked for falsifying evidence some years ago and it has not been renewed! The real Paul Barresi has been bullying and harassing editors on Misplaced Pages. He also uses a number of sock puppets to make this article look a certain way so he can use it as an advertisement! The sources cited here are extremely dubious and outdated. This article needs serious revision! ] (]) 20:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:: While this article is poorly written and rife with unreliable sources, I have added the word Former to the first sentence before the term Private Investigator. Now at least the article can not reflect a lie. This article is in serious need of revision or perhaps ought be nominated for deletion. ] (]) 20:09, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
::: Thank you for making that minor yet necessary change, without which the article is a brazen lie. I have followed Paul Barresi's career for decades and furthermore he was not 'sought out for comment' on the Pellicano criminal-defense case. Mr. Barresi threw himself into the center of it all like the fiendish, attention-starved being that he is. Also, the sources cited in the article are mostly NOT the press reporting fact; they are the press reporting that Barresi stated certain things to them. There is a huge difference between hard facts and statements made to the press about oneself. Paul Barresi is using this article as an advertisement for himself. ] (]) 20:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
:::: If you go to the reference list for this article you will notice that reference number 15 does not even exist though it is supposedly supporting a claim about Michael Jackson! This is a bad article! <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:13, 23 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::: Still another example of how poorly written this article is, the last sentence of the second to last paragraph reads as follows: ' In May 2006, Barresi turned over tapes from Mitteager with transcriptions to the FBI.' Nowhere in the article does it ever explain who or what 'Mitteager' is! It leaves the reader at a loss. This is not good. ] (]) 20:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::: Furthermore under the external links section, if you click on official website, it goes to WIX DOT COM. This whole article needs to be re-written or taken down! ] (]) 20:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::: Article has been appropriately tagged to reflect issues mentioned in above discussion. ] (]) 01:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


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Thank you for fairness. It appears our society prefers rather much too often to highlight the confessions of ones defects rather than any magnificent achievements one garners. Sad. I am 75 in a few months. The notion that an editor would characterize me in the current as a porn actor is disturbing to me. How bout highlighting the things Paul Barresi has done over the years with the benefit of clothes. lol. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

CONTINUING FM PAUL BARRESI...
I couldn't help but notice the kinder language used to describe my old pal Bill Cable's adult film career. He is characterized as an 'Actor' period-- in erotic films. Not once is pornographic used on his page.

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Bill_Cable

Most of the work I worked in was soft core photo layouts. Bill had one of the great natural bodies of all time. He died much too young. Bill and I were both Colt models. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== He is a 'former' porn actor ==

Following the pattern at ], ], and presumably many others, I have edited this article to improve accuracy and also due to the BLP issue that once people have left the porn business, it is reasonable to accord them the dignity of so noting it in terms of how we refer to them. Heck, we even do this for former politicians, haha. ] (]) 14:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

:It has additionally come to my attention that some of the following sources could potentially be of interest to editors here. I express no strong opinion on that, I am just passing it alog, but likely anyone with an interest in improving this page may find at least some of these helpful starting points:

AMBER HEARD HIRED PI
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8171963/Amber-Heard-hired-private-investigator-dig-dirt-Johnny-Depp-nasty-legal-battle.html

DAILY MAIL UK
REPORTS:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12653837/Moment-Sharon-Stones-private-eye-tells-Hungarian-stalker-stay-away-family-ex-army-veteran-caught-CCTV-stars-sisters-home.html

AD WEEK REPORTS:
BARRESI PI FOR STALLONE, SCHWARZENEGGER, ETC.
https://www.adweek.com/performance-marketing/paul-barresi-arnold-schwarzenegger-sylvester-stallone-eddie-murphy-lemoore-california/


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TO THE EDITORS. PLEASE STOP REMOVING PHOTOS I PROVIDE WHICH I OWN THAT ILLUSTRATE WHAT I LOOK LIKE AND WHAT IVE ACCOMPLISHED. -PAUL BARRESI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.136.213 (talk) 22:20, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Cite your sources

CITE YOUR SOURCES - it is as simple as that.--Jimbo Wales 22:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Just to be clear

WP:OFFICE is lifted on this page. Edit to your hearts content. I think it is very wise to be very cautious about supposing things about Mr. Barresi that are not _directly_ in evidence from _reliable_ sources. That he was involved in the porn industry is not disputed. That he is bisexual or personally performed in 'gay porn' I have no clue, haven't looked in imdb or whatever. If there are elements of his career in his press bio that we previously failed to mention, but which can be verified by third party sources, we should add those.

I want to emphasize a few things: Mr. Barresi has been courteous throughout this, made no legal threats against Misplaced Pages, and seems genuinely interested in having a high quality and neutral article about himself in the encyclopedia.--Jimbo Wales 17:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I am unclear about what is disputed, but Mr. Barresi informs me that IMDB contains some significant errors. I'm trying to determine the details, but in the meantime, let's work with the other material first?--Jimbo Wales 00:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

That's quite possible. IMDb bios are of varying quality, occasionally amounting to little more than trivia and/or gossip. In this case, IMDb was the only source that listed a DOB. If this is indeed in dispute, I'll remove the DOB and restore the remaining stub info. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 01:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


TO THE EDITORS. PLEASE STOP DELETING PHOTOS I HAVE POSTED WHICH I OWN. PAUL BARRESI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.136.213 (talk) 22:21, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Just to be clear

The article is only semi-protected, and I hope very much that someone will get excited about the article and bring it up to snuff. It used to be full of unsourced stuff or badly sourced stuff, and now it is sad and lonely and empty. --Jimbo Wales 04:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

A note to editors

Editors who wish to make changes to this article: Please review the archive of this talk page for some of the ongoing WP:BLP issues, as well as actions of now-banned editors previously involved in disputes about this article. Jokestress (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Involvement with Pellicano on hold

Article has been updated slightly but certainly can be elaborated on. Barresi can no longer be involved with Pellicano as in Dec 2008 Pellicano was sentenced to 15 years in Prison.

Further 2008 updates for this article could include Barresi's comments about a popular actor in entertainment magazines such as In Touch. Helena Churchill (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


Also, this article might not be up to date. One area where there is some question is where Barresi is helping the Bertram Fields' defense & investigation. I was not able to find a source as to if Fields is still under investigation. However, since Pellicano's case is now closed, it is likely that Fields is not under any scrutiny either. There probably needs to be some closure on this matter reflected in this article. There are a few other comments in this article with a tail end which dates back two or more years and an update is needed. 76.167.73.93 (talk) 04:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Minor but Important detail

Just going over the sources cited and made minor change to Pellicano section to make it conform better with cited source. Matt Latona (talk) 00:28, 13 December 2009

Bertram Fields & Anthony Pellicano

The ENTIRE Pellicano section is extremely outdated! Particularly worthy of an update is the fact the Attorney Bertram Fields' investigation was back in 2006!!! Surely there has been some sort of outcome by now, especially considering that Pellicano's lengthy prison sentence started some two and a half years ago. A cowgirl (talk) 01:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Dead or mis-Cited Links

Of the 52 links listed for this article, many are not correctly cited though it is easy to deduce that they are a book, TV show, or X-rated VHS or DVD production. Whether as well as where ever these items are available for verification is dubious. Of the sources listed as Web links, many are either dead or they do not verify what is claimed to be stated in them within this Misplaced Pages article. By number listed here are some of the issues: Link # 1 = dead link, # 6= distorted / old, # 20=page not found, #23 & 26=not what they claim to be, #29=dead link, #34=dead link, #35= page not found, #36 = not a link at all/irrelevant, #38= does not support article, #40=dead link, 41=blog & irrevelant to this article, 44=does not support any claim on this article, 48= completely irrevelant to this page, 49=page not found, 50= not listed, 51 & 52 - articles which do not support claims in this WP article; URGENT CLEAN-UP is NEEDED! A cowgirl (talk) 05:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Cleaning-up a bit

Reviewing all the sources cited in this article, there was some availability to clean this article a bit, starting with the Pellicano section. Still a great need to update the outdated information as the most recent citation is 2008 and most are 2000-2007 being nearly 5 years old minimum. Matt Latona (talk) 17:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Removing some unsourced/poorly sourced info

I'm looking at this article as per an OTRS request, and will be removing some instances of unsourced or poorly sourced, contentious information. All such material needs to honor WP:BLP, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV.

Please contact me if you feel one or more removals were in error. --joe decker 05:24, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

If 'contentious information' is the issue, it ought be noted that the reference of an incident involving Andrew Morton + others in the Pellicano Section is pure hearsay. Matt Latona (talk) 18:47, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I haven't seen any reason to dispute that, your assistance in cleaning this up is appreciated. --joe decker 19:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Should we edit this article for the real guy

I am not sure I found that late last night from a link on his Wiki article. I spent the rest of the night reading all of the notes over the years about this guy in the archive talk section. Do we really even want to try to get it more objective or spend much time on this article? JoeyD2010 (talk) 23:15, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
Please be very cautious in what statements get made on this talk page. This biography has been subject to WP:OFFICE sanctions due to legal threats. I have redacted some BLP stuff in your comment above. Please do not opine on the motives or character of living persons. I agree we should note that he is either a formerly licensed private investigator or remove it entirely. I would also review all of these changes to confirm they comply with policy. He is clearly notable and merits an article, but the biographical materials outside of pornography need to be extremely carefully sourced and presented. They include statements about other people, living and dead, which should all be impeccably sourced and presented neutrally. Jokestress (talk) 23:56, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
Jokestress You know after reading some of that last night.... I agree as a porn actor/director he deserves a page. As for his to quote one article "self style investigators" and yes there are some very important people still alive that Barresi has appeared to insert himself into interviews about with questionable sources. I think my take is I do not volunteer enough time to become invovle in something like this and will let the link on the existing article speak for itself as it did to me when I clicked on it. I will be moving right alone to other bios.... Thanks again. JoeyD2010 (talk) 02:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Suggested edit

Barresi appeared first in Playgirl then the Wild Party. His first porn film was not LA PLAYS ITSELF, but a straight film called CO ED FEVER. Barresi did not break into the porn bizz until after his Playgirl spread in 1974. The LA PLAYS ITSELF credit is wrong. He appeared also in dozens of straight xxx films like, BAD GIRLS II, DIARY OF A SEX GODESS and GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES. Why are his hetero films not noted. His appearances in gay xxx video were primarily non sex roles or solo roles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.213.42 (talk • contribs)

Hmm. I wonder what happened with respect to the first film you mentioned, I'm a little confused. There's fairly old references to someone with your name in "LA Plays Itself" (you can see a couple snippets at https://www.google.com/search?q=barresi+%22LA+Plays+Itself.%22&oq=barresi+%22LA+Plays+Itself.%22&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l3.2053&sugexp=chrome,mod=6&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=barresi+%22LA+Plays+Itself.%22&hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=bks&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=FB3EUOGMFonVyAGMvoHgCA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=9b1deae9e667e29e&bpcl=39650382&biw=680&bih=416 ), I'm half-tempted to wonder if there's another Paul Barresi out there. Or if an error was made in 1994 and it's just being replicated. Or what. Hmmm. --j⚛e decker 05:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
There is a Paul Barresi in Australia who is making a name for himself as a local polititian. He was born in 1947. The birth date of this Paul Barresi is not accurate; he is older than 1949 birth! Dooor-Matt (talk) 19:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

BLP

I think that given Mr. Barresi's (if that's really him) objections, the article should be checked for neutrality. It is over half negative, after all. Coretheapple (talk) 01:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I am grateful that other editors have taken the challenging task of cleaning up this article into hand! I feel the CNN article should be cited. However this is an encyclopedic article and should be NEUTRAL as mentioned above. Making this article neutral is daunting. With reference to Barresi's early life and post Pellicano sentencing, it might also be noted that Mr. Barresi was banned from his own father's funeral in 2011, http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlla/paul-barresi-arnold-schwarzenegger-sylvester-stallone-eddie-murphy-lemoore-california_b42204
I feel also that comments containing vulgarity and personal attacks ~above~ should be removed from the talk page. Dooor-Matt (talk) 16:48, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
(ec) Collect's removal included some copy-editing of a veritable petting zoo of WP:WTA violations, but it also deletes a lot of references and material based on them, some for being dead links (which we should remember is not actually the same as unsourced, though I can see in this context why people don't want to take someone's word for what they said) and others that aren't even.
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  • ref name="young">Young, Paul (2002). L.A. Exposed: Strange Myths and Curious Legends in the City of Angels. St. Martin's Griffin, ISBN 978-0-312-20646-8</ref>
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Found . Several of these look the same way - I think the Daily News corrupted their database somehow and concatenated some of their articles.
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Lots of links with this title, including . Suspect a link with "gossip" in the name is going to encounter some griping. :) Wnt (talk) 04:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Genuinely a miss at Google and Ixquick. Bing finds a result with the cover image and the Misplaced Pages article John James Nazarian (which points us at the first link and ), and notes that "some results have been removed". Yahoo identifies it as a 2007 MAGGIE winner and points at different article for the phrase which is criticizing Scientology, never a safe pursuit; one line at . Yandex found an additional abstract/index at . Nothing new on Blekko. Ask.com found an additional result (not a RS!) I think there's some kind of censorship action going on here, but I don't know if I'm still missing the hidden goodies. Wnt (talk) 04:32, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
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  • ref name=KCBS>Drew Griffin (February 12, 2004). The Real Source. CBS 2 Special Assignment, KCBS-TV</ref>
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Given the fairly hostile way some of the text is written, and the selective use/misuse of data from some of the sources, I appreciate the need to go through things carefully, but let's not destroy the village to save it - at some point people need to go back, run through this list, see which sources are irretrievably bad, which ones are archived somewhere, etc., and regenerate some neutrally written text based on many of these. Wnt (talk) 18:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I went through above and sorted out the links. Note that the people putting in "dead link" were really not looking at all - it would have been just as easy to update the link to a live one as to put the tag, because all you had to do for most of them was search the headline in any engine! Wnt (talk) 04:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for fairness. It appears our society prefers rather much too often to highlight the confessions of ones defects rather than any magnificent achievements one garners. Sad. I am 75 in a few months. The notion that an editor would characterize me in the current as a porn actor is disturbing to me. How bout highlighting the things Paul Barresi has done over the years with the benefit of clothes. lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C51:747F:B308:7CD3:781B:6F06:2971 (talk) 20:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

CONTINUING FM PAUL BARRESI... I couldn't help but notice the kinder language used to describe my old pal Bill Cable's adult film career. He is characterized as an 'Actor' period-- in erotic films. Not once is pornographic used on his page.

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Bill_Cable

Most of the work I worked in was soft core photo layouts. Bill had one of the great natural bodies of all time. He died much too young. Bill and I were both Colt models. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C51:747F:B308:7CD3:781B:6F06:2971 (talk) 01:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

He is a 'former' porn actor

Following the pattern at Ron Jeremy, Jenna Jameson, and presumably many others, I have edited this article to improve accuracy and also due to the BLP issue that once people have left the porn business, it is reasonable to accord them the dignity of so noting it in terms of how we refer to them. Heck, we even do this for former politicians, haha. Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

It has additionally come to my attention that some of the following sources could potentially be of interest to editors here. I express no strong opinion on that, I am just passing it alog, but likely anyone with an interest in improving this page may find at least some of these helpful starting points:

AMBER HEARD HIRED PI https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8171963/Amber-Heard-hired-private-investigator-dig-dirt-Johnny-Depp-nasty-legal-battle.html

DAILY MAIL UK REPORTS: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12653837/Moment-Sharon-Stones-private-eye-tells-Hungarian-stalker-stay-away-family-ex-army-veteran-caught-CCTV-stars-sisters-home.html

AD WEEK REPORTS: BARRESI PI FOR STALLONE, SCHWARZENEGGER, ETC. https://www.adweek.com/performance-marketing/paul-barresi-arnold-schwarzenegger-sylvester-stallone-eddie-murphy-lemoore-california/

DAILY MAIL/PAUL BARRESI/JOHNNY DEPP https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/08/13/richard-johnson-johnny-depp-book-by-amber-heards-ex-investigator-will-detail-his-troubled-childhood/

PAGE SIX https://pagesix.com/2021/09/16/johnny-depp-abandoned-by-mom-as-a-teen-divorce-docs-show/

--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Jimbo Wales: In a WP:BLP it is probably unwise to use Misplaced Pages:DAILYMAIL because it has a "reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism, and flat-out fabrication". Polygnotus (talk) 12:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Photo

Id like to update my photo. How do I go about doing that? 2600:6C51:747F:B308:7CD3:781B:6F06:2971 (talk) 01:24, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Please read Misplaced Pages:A picture of you. Polygnotus (talk) 03:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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