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This article by its content and timing appears to be nothing more than "anti-propaganda" propaganda. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:This entire article should be summarily deleted...it is meaningless and just propaganda. A bunch of Muslims get angry over a youtube video (reportedly) lol....should that justify an encyclopedia article? How completely ridiculous. Lets have an article citing every place on earth people get mad over racism, or homophobia, or atheism, or name your religion. Every day there is a protest somewhere, people get mad over stuff...whoopdee doo, to think that justifies a sourced article is blithering stupidity. Lets make an article citing all "Black Lives matter" protests in the United States...every single one of them. Really? Welcome to planet earth...welcome to humanity...full of angry people, on a daily basis. Remove this article from Misplaced Pages, it has no rational purpose. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Concur. Danleywolfe and 73.157.14.9 have it right. This is the worst of Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 10:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Format the article as a battle rather than a terrorist attack==


Cheers.—]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">]:Online</sub></small> 11:46, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
It seems that because of the involvement of security forces, American military and officials, and organized militant groups, this article could be formatted as a battle (or skirmish) with opposing sides rather than an attack with perpetrators. There have been reports that Libyan police may have been killed by the militants, which would additionally support this event as a skirmish between militants, security forces, and Americans in the broader context of the aftermath of the Arab Spring and Libyan civil war.
] (]) 16:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


== Misleading beginning of entry. ===
== Arnold Raphel Pakistan 1988 is the last US Amb killed/who died mysteriously in the line of duty. ==
] (]) 16:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


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== Sentence not clear ==
⚫ What is the intended meaning of this sentence?


The edit of Oct 8th 2106 seems to be a "hack" of the article. The grammar is wrong but so is the content. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:31, 9 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
"In Benghazi, Libya, RPGs were fired at the consulate from '''a nearby far result in''' the death of the visiting Ambassador Christopher Stevens from smoke inhalation, two US Marines, an additional unknown staff member and injuries to two others."


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I believe this is relevant as a see also (obviously not in the article as that could be OR/Synthesis). Based on the discussion at ITNC as the "unintended consequences" of the civil war.(] (]) 12:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)).
:It's obvious, but of course, there should be sources for it. ] (]) 12:30, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
::true, but thats why "see also" and not cited as fact of itself. no?] (]) 13:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
:::Fine with me, though I wouldn't be surprised is someone tried to remove it afterwards, and we wouldn't be able to defend inclusion then. ] (]) 13:05, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


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Not sure the word is pov. Its defined as an unruly crowd and it did get violent. Per ] (]) 13:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


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== Name (drop the date) ==


Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 20:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
I think we should drop the date (but not the year) from the name. Including the date makes it seem like this was planned for the anniversary of 9/11. What I've read about it instead says that this film was translated into Arabic just a few days ago. I think ] also supports using just the year.--] (]) 13:23, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


== Off-topic and unclear connection to topic ==
:Agree that the date should be dropped, unless/until there are other attacks on other dates that this event could be confused with.
:Relating to the name, should there be a double plural in the title? ("mission'''s''' attack'''s'''") Shouldn't it just be "missions attack" or mission attacks"? ] (]) 13:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
::there are 2 missions and thus 2 attacks.
::Though, as somoene having created other such articles, WP convention would be okey in removing the date without the year
:::{{Done}}(] (]) 13:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)).
:I realize that, but I'm not sure if both words need to be plural, I think only one does. Could be wrong, but it seems awkward the way it is now.] (]) 13:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
::It is awkward, but correct. "Diplomatic mission attacks" would suggest one mission was attacked multiple times, and "diplomatic missions attack" would suggest that it was a single coordinated assault, which it doesn't appear to have been (other than the same film causing both initial protests.) I guess "diplomatic mission attacks" would be okay, but it's less accurate. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 13:55, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


I came across this article by accident, nowhere in the lead is any connection to ''Innocence of Muslims'' established and half the content seems to have no connection ... or if there is a connection, it isn't made clear. ] (]) 20:06, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
== Libyan Dead ==


Apparently, there was a news conference in Libya recently that stated that 10 police were also killed in the attacks. This should be noted. This would raise the death toll to 14. --] (]) 17:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC) :Read the lede? This article is chronicling protests against the film. The 'connection' is that the protesters didn't like it. What exactly is unclear about that? (Serious question, not a trolly one.) ] (]) 20:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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What is the purpose of this article?

This article by its content and timing appears to be nothing more than "anti-propaganda" propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danleywolfe (talk • contribs) 18:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

This entire article should be summarily deleted...it is meaningless and just propaganda. A bunch of Muslims get angry over a youtube video (reportedly) lol....should that justify an encyclopedia article? How completely ridiculous. Lets have an article citing every place on earth people get mad over racism, or homophobia, or atheism, or name your religion. Every day there is a protest somewhere, people get mad over stuff...whoopdee doo, to think that justifies a sourced article is blithering stupidity. Lets make an article citing all "Black Lives matter" protests in the United States...every single one of them. Really? Welcome to planet earth...welcome to humanity...full of angry people, on a daily basis. Remove this article from Misplaced Pages, it has no rational purpose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.157.14.9 (talk) 07:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Concur. Danleywolfe and 73.157.14.9 have it right. This is the worst of Misplaced Pages. 2.50.17.144 (talk) 10:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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The edit of Oct 8th 2106 seems to be a "hack" of the article. The grammar is wrong but so is the content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.133.252.209 (talk) 12:31, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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I came across this article by accident, nowhere in the lead is any connection to Innocence of Muslims established and half the content seems to have no connection ... or if there is a connection, it isn't made clear. Pincrete (talk) 20:06, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Read the lede? This article is chronicling protests against the film. The 'connection' is that the protesters didn't like it. What exactly is unclear about that? (Serious question, not a trolly one.) SnowFire (talk) 20:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
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