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== Spencer has changed his views ==
== I´ve tried to create new categories for people deported from Iceland and Hungary ==


He says - rather convincingly in my view - that he is no longer a white nationalist and no longer associates with neo-Nazis, alt -right, etc. While of course we should not remove his scurrilous past of Nazi rhetoric, etc, I think per WP:BLP we should clarify in the opening paragraph that he has changed his views, or at least claims to have, rather than simply presenting him as a "neo-nazi, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, and white nationalist." ] (]) 03:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
so please don´t delete them, even though they´re currently highlighted in red I think an administrator needs to approve them. ] (]) 09:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
⚫ :So? (see ]). ] (]) 12:40, 22 August 2024 (UTC)


== What is the source for "anti-semitic conspiracy theorist?"==
== It is my opinion that the Antisemitism sidebar should be removed ==


I cannot find any source for this. ] (]) 03:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Not because he hasn´t said a number of Antisemitic thing, but because it is not even a prominent element within a his writtings or ideology from what I can tell. ] (]) 10:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


: for starters ] ] 04:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
:This is partly because i do not view him as neo nazi (to addres @TrickshotsBSYT point at the top), someone who is inspired by the German Conservative Revolution and various strands of fascism, but Neonazi is a far too narrow way of framing his ideological outlook. ] (]) 10:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


== Ukraine/Russia ==
::I strongly disagree with this suggestion. The man is an openly anti-Semitic white supremacist and, contrary to the personal opinion of {{U|StrongALPHA}} there are reliable sources that describe him as a neo-nazi. Regardless ''being a neo-nazi'' is not the only way in which a conservative ethno-nationalist might be an active force of antisemitism. ] (]) 12:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


I know it is only possible under very rare circumstances to use tweet citations to demonstrate the views of an individual due to Misplaced Pages policy on self-published sources (a policy that I´m not sure I entirely agree with, nevertheless it is still policy), anyways, the point being in relation to Russia/Ukraine that the tweet that demonstrated Spencer´s newfound support for NATO and Ukraine was taken off the section on his geopolitical views, which is fine in one regard that it complies with Misplaced Pages policy but it should be strongly emphasized that Spencer is no longer a supporter of Russia as anyone would believe from simply reading the article, so we should find a source to change this. ] (]) 08:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
== Citation 18 doesn't support claim ==


:I think tweet citations '''can''' demonstrate views of an individual. To quote from ]:
citation 18 doesn't support the claim that Spencer voted for Biden. ] (]) 03:36, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
:¨Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information '''about themselves''' ...¨ .
⚫ :we do not say he did. ] (]) 12:32, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
:] (]) 13:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::It also does not support the claim that he "supports" biden and is against the "alt-right" now. The quoted source is a random right-wing opinion/blog article. ] (]) 08:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
::However it also may not be true, so what did the edit say? ] (]) 13:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Not sure what you mean by 'what did the edit say'; please clarify?
:::Do you mean if Spencer is lying about his own views? If he is verifiably the account holder, his earnestness in proclaiming this is not something we should litigate
:::] (]) 13:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::He may well be, people do it all the time (In fact he has been accused (has he not) of not being honest about his politics?), what I meant is what I said, what did (or will) the edit say? ] (]) 14:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::And "The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim;". ] (]) 13:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Shall I restore the tweets then? ] (]) 07:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::No, as it is "unduly self-serving", it is his claim to distance himself from criticism. ] (]) 10:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2024 ==
:::I assume you mean , which is published by ] in their 'News & Politics' section. This doesn't appear to be a opinion piece, and the author, Joshua Tait, is a PhD historian who has contributed to published academic work specifically on far-right politics in the US ({{isbn|9780190877590}}). Here's the specific relevant quote from the source: {{tq|In that respect, evolution has mirrored the strange career of Spencer who, in the wake of Charlottesville, has attempted to distance himself from his leadership of the alt-right, rebranding himself with public statements attacking Trump, and voicing support for NATO and the Biden White House.}} The current wording in the article seems like a reasonable summary of this source. ] (]) 23:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


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== Update tag ==
It must also be included that after endorsing joe biden, he also endorsed Kamala Harris.


https://nypost.com/2024/11/02/us-news/prominent-white-supremacist-richard-spencer-endorses-kamala-harris/ ] (]) 01:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|CzarJobKhaya}} Hello. Per ] above, we can only update the article with reliable sources. If you know of such sources, or wish to suggest other actionable changes, please do so, otherwise this tag is not helpful and is unlikely to lead to improvements to the article. ] (]) 23:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
:] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 01:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

:I don't know of any reliable sources that could be used to update the article, but it still feels outdated to me. My only intention with the tag was informing the reader rather than spurring potential edits. Thanks. ] (]) 23:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
::The thing is, we're only permitted to inform the reader about what is published in reliable sources. Anything else violates our core policy of ]. I hope that makes sense. ] (]) ] (]) 00:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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Spencer has changed his views

He says - rather convincingly in my view - that he is no longer a white nationalist and no longer associates with neo-Nazis, alt -right, etc. While of course we should not remove his scurrilous past of Nazi rhetoric, etc, I think per WP:BLP we should clarify in the opening paragraph that he has changed his views, or at least claims to have, rather than simply presenting him as a "neo-nazi, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, and white nationalist." NeverEnoughStan (talk) 03:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

So? (see WP:FALSEBALANCE). Slatersteven (talk) 12:40, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

What is the source for "anti-semitic conspiracy theorist?"

I cannot find any source for this. NeverEnoughStan (talk) 03:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

for starters EvergreenFir (talk) 04:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Ukraine/Russia

I know it is only possible under very rare circumstances to use tweet citations to demonstrate the views of an individual due to Misplaced Pages policy on self-published sources (a policy that I´m not sure I entirely agree with, nevertheless it is still policy), anyways, the point being in relation to Russia/Ukraine that the tweet that demonstrated Spencer´s newfound support for NATO and Ukraine was taken off the section on his geopolitical views, which is fine in one regard that it complies with Misplaced Pages policy but it should be strongly emphasized that Spencer is no longer a supporter of Russia as anyone would believe from simply reading the article, so we should find a source to change this. StrongALPHA (talk) 08:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I think tweet citations can demonstrate views of an individual. To quote from WP:SPS:
¨Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves ...¨ .
TypistMonkey (talk) 13:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
However it also may not be true, so what did the edit say? Slatersteven (talk) 13:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by 'what did the edit say'; please clarify?
Do you mean if Spencer is lying about his own views? If he is verifiably the account holder, his earnestness in proclaiming this is not something we should litigate
TypistMonkey (talk) 13:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
He may well be, people do it all the time (In fact he has been accused (has he not) of not being honest about his politics?), what I meant is what I said, what did (or will) the edit say? Slatersteven (talk) 14:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
And "The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim;". Slatersteven (talk) 13:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Shall I restore the tweets then? StrongALPHA (talk) 07:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
No, as it is "unduly self-serving", it is his claim to distance himself from criticism. Slatersteven (talk) 10:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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It must also be included that after endorsing joe biden, he also endorsed Kamala Harris.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/02/us-news/prominent-white-supremacist-richard-spencer-endorses-kamala-harris/ 2603:6010:6FF0:89F0:A045:757B:CA49:5D25 (talk) 01:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 01:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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