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== Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2023 == |
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* Molasky, Michael S. ''American Occupation of Japan and Okinawa'', Routledge, 1999. ISBN 0415191947 ISBN 0415260442 |
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* Moon, Katharine H. S. '''', Columbia University Press, 1997. ISBN 0231106424" |
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I request for the Category:Crimes against humanity to be added to the External Links. ] (]) 12:36, 30 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:Already in 'see also', which is the correct place for such links. ] (]) 12:40, 30 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2023 == |
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The online reference seems to discuss organised prostitution, which is not quite the same thing as CW. Am I missing something? ] 09:51, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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:We can know about RAA or Japanese Comfort Women Center for Occupation Force . |
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Change "World war 2" to "World War II". |
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:Most of them are wrote in anti-Japanese context. Please read facts among political words. |
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Change "World War 2" to "World War II". ] (]) 00:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:Also says about it too. But "When USA occupation forces to Japan came to Tokyo, what they said first was 'Prepare comfort women club for military officers' Do you know this ?? They loved this club much for long years." is incorrect. It was prepared from Japanese side, stopped in 1946 not "long years", and is not only for officers but also soldiers. |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Thank you, - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 00:40, 1 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Misquotation of source == |
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: is report on Korean kidnapped Comfort Women in Korean War. But it is Japanese text page of Korean News Paper, ''JoongAng Ilbo''. Unfortunately, this page is not accepted machine translation. |
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:Comfort Women system of other nations including South Korea is . |
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:This is machine translation of a Japanese page. I'm searching English page. Language barrier is serious problem among us.] 12:52, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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Only doing this because I do not have an account valid to edit semi-protected pages. The 95th source is misreferenced, in quotes it says "public restrooms", yet the cited source says "public toilets". ] (]) 07:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Language barrier == |
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:done ] (]) 07:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2024 == |
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:"Language barrier is serious problem among us." I agree. :) Maybe would be a better place to put the material, in Japanese? Is there an online reference for a US or Korean government program of rape? Isolated acts of individuals, or paid prostitution, are not the same thing. (I've reverted your edits until we sort something out). ] 02:18, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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:RAA was prepared by Japanese side in just same manner of Japanese Comfort Women system. Why don't you understand it? Korean systems are much worst, according to _Korean_ scholars. you can read Japanese pages in English thru machine translations.] 10:30, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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"Only in the 1990s did the Japanese government begin to officially apologize and offer compensation. However, apologies from Japanese officials have been criticized as insincere." |
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This quote is highly dishonest and written from a Pro-Korean and Anti-Japanese view point. |
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:: Kadzuwo, please feel free to post links to Japanese sources here -- some of us ''can'' read them without translation. ] 02:35, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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Japan has paid reparations for comfort woman multiple times under various treaties. However, if that is not direct enough due the treaties never stating comfort woman, then look at the fact that Japan offered to pay comfort woman's directly but were rejected by the Korean government. |
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:::Wow! Good news!! I recoｍmend a book ''これでは困る韓国'' ISBN 4879195707. This is conversations of two Korean Scholars. |
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:::Now, "us"? Are You a group?] 11:30, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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The Korean government asked Japan to give the payments to the Korean government directly and they'll redistribute the funds. Japan agreed to this. However, Korea took the money to fund their businesses and roads and then continued to claim Japan never paid. ] (]) 23:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:: And by the way, the single link on the Japanese page isn't very neutral, with titles like "The Lie of Forced Comfort Women" (慰安婦強制連行のウソ) and criticisms of sources with terms like "silly little book" (インチキ本)... ] 02:59, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 00:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{partly done|Partly done:}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Unsourced statement removed. ] <small> (]) </small> 00:35, 21 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2024 == |
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:::I don't know it. I think just neutral is very difficult about such problems. So, we must see both sides like a good judge. Anyway always we must remember ''anyone'' can be a liar occasionally.] 11:30, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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:::Now, is :慰安婦強制連行のウソ "The Lie of Forced Comfort Women"? It is transated as "The lie of comfort-women forcible ''taking''" by .] 11:30, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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I request in the See Also section where it says "]" to be changed to "]". ] (]) 13:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 14:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Apply quotation marks to euphemisms == |
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:: Saying that RAA women were forced into the job is a minority view, it's your job to produce evidence for it. In particular, do you have a source to back up the bit about "virgins"? ] 09:52, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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"Comfort women" is a euphemism for sexual slavery, according to sources here and at ]. As such, the euphemism needs to be written in quotation marks, at minimum. |
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:::Like most of Korean comfort women, they were persuaded in situation they can not say "No". I know a case of Korean comfort women said "No", she did only non-sexual works like laundry for other women. |
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:::Please see Japanese page of '']''. it has some reference books.] 11:30, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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To repeatedly use the euphemism without quotation marks normalizes the euphemism, and in this case normalizes a redefinition of sexual slavery that was promoted originally by Japan in defence of the Japanese Army, who imprisoned and enslaved the Koreans "in brothels" (according to sources). |
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After the lede, the words 'sexual slaves' should be used instead of "comfort women". Another possibility in the lede is to use 'so-called "comfort women" '. ] (]) 16:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
Only doing this because I do not have an account valid to edit semi-protected pages. The 95th source is misreferenced, in quotes it says "public restrooms", yet the cited source says "public toilets". KillYourLandlord (talk) 07:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
"Only in the 1990s did the Japanese government begin to officially apologize and offer compensation. However, apologies from Japanese officials have been criticized as insincere."
This quote is highly dishonest and written from a Pro-Korean and Anti-Japanese view point.
Japan has paid reparations for comfort woman multiple times under various treaties. However, if that is not direct enough due the treaties never stating comfort woman, then look at the fact that Japan offered to pay comfort woman's directly but were rejected by the Korean government.
The Korean government asked Japan to give the payments to the Korean government directly and they'll redistribute the funds. Japan agreed to this. However, Korea took the money to fund their businesses and roads and then continued to claim Japan never paid. TheHistorian8 (talk) 23:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
"Comfort women" is a euphemism for sexual slavery, according to sources here and at Statue of Peace. As such, the euphemism needs to be written in quotation marks, at minimum.
To repeatedly use the euphemism without quotation marks normalizes the euphemism, and in this case normalizes a redefinition of sexual slavery that was promoted originally by Japan in defence of the Japanese Army, who imprisoned and enslaved the Koreans "in brothels" (according to sources).
After the lede, the words 'sexual slaves' should be used instead of "comfort women". Another possibility in the lede is to use 'so-called "comfort women" '. Metokpema (talk) 16:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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Done Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 00:40, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Aoidh (talk) 00:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Partly done: Unsourced statement removed. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:35, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
