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If other editors have suitable place to add it in the article body later that is a separate matter. I'd like to see ] and ] applied consistently and the IMDB scores removed unless there is a clear consensus to make an exception. -- ] (]) 12:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC) If other editors have suitable place to add it in the article body later that is a separate matter. I'd like to see ] and ] applied consistently and the IMDB scores removed unless there is a clear consensus to make an exception. -- ] (]) 12:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' According to the page's protection level you should be able to ]. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 12:52, 7 October 2021 (UTC) :]&nbsp;'''Not done:''' According to the page's protection level you should be able to ]. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 12:52, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
:: I went ahead and removed it myself. :: I went ahead and removed it myself.
:: Don't know how I missed that the article was only partially protected and not locked, my mistake. Apologies and thanks for your time. -- ] (]) 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC) :: Don't know how I missed that the article was only partially protected and not locked, my mistake. Apologies and thanks for your time. -- ] (]) 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: '''moved.''' Supporters are leaning on ], which, interestingly is less of a binding policy and more of a summary of the community's current lack of consensus on the matter. That said, the pageviews argument is the strongest policy-backed argument we have for a move here, with the opposition focusing on this creating more ambiguity. In this case, the argument for a PDAB wins out due to wider support of pageviews as a determining factor, which has not been met with a suitable counterargument as of now. <small>(])</small> ] 18:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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] → {{no redirect|Lost (TV series)}} – Likely ] over the two other ''Lost'' TV series, per a ~63:1 pageview ratio with the 2001 and the 2021 series ''combined'' and per . ] (]) 18:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC) ] → {{no redirect|Lost (TV series)}} – Likely ] over the two other ''Lost'' TV series, per a ~63:1 pageview ratio with the 2001 and the 2021 series ''combined'' and per . ] (]) 18:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;] (]) 11:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' per consensus at previous RM. We gain nothing by intentionally introducing ambiguity. ] (]) 20:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' per consensus at previous RM. We gain nothing by intentionally introducing ambiguity. ] (]) 20:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per ]. We gain ease of serving readers when <!--(15,654,505+2,538,267)/18,600,994--> of them want the ABC show. ] (] &#124; ]) 17:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC) *'''Support''' per ]. We gain ease of serving readers when <!--(15,654,505+2,538,267)/18,600,994--> of them want the ABC show. ] (] &#124; ]) 17:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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*'''Strong Support''' - The ] argument is compelling, given that over 80% of the ] DAB page are navigations straight to ] indicating a lot of mis-navigation per which likely steps from the fact that when using the search box of wiki and typing "Lost tv", the autocomplete only brings up the DAB page of "Lost" and the wrong "Lost (2001 TV series)" because in ABC sort, 2001 comes before 2004, which means that this move to the current title of "Lost (2004 TV series)" and this actual much more likely target of the Lost 2004 series does not show up AT all in the autoconmplete, so this move had an undesired side effect, which causes all this misnavigation. The other "]" is also receiving a lot of misnavigation with people going straight through to to get to where they wanted to, the 2004 Lost series based on data. Further as was also already pointed out above, the are going to the 2004 series and since the change to the current title of "Lost (2004 TV series)" it has caused a dramatic uptick of misnavigation of the current ] DAB page of a where they wanted. This seems very similar to the example case of ] of ] that points to the Michael Jackson album. ] (]) 05:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC) *'''Strong Support''' - The ] argument is compelling, given that over 80% of the ] DAB page are navigations straight to ] indicating a lot of mis-navigation per which likely steps from the fact that when using the search box of wiki and typing "Lost tv", the autocomplete only brings up the DAB page of "Lost" and the wrong "Lost (2001 TV series)" because in ABC sort, 2001 comes before 2004, which means that this move to the current title of "Lost (2004 TV series)" and this actual much more likely target of the Lost 2004 series does not show up AT all in the autoconmplete, so this move had an undesired side effect, which causes all this misnavigation. The other "]" is also receiving a lot of misnavigation with people going straight through to to get to where they wanted to, the 2004 Lost series based on data. Further as was also already pointed out above, the are going to the 2004 series and since the change to the current title of "Lost (2004 TV series)" it has caused a dramatic uptick of misnavigation of the current ] DAB page of a where they wanted. This seems very similar to the example case of ] of ] that points to the Michael Jackson album. ] (]) 05:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The likelihood of a reader searching for the 2004 series as opposed to the other series seems overwhelming enough for it to be to be the primary topic. ] (]) 14:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is the primary target people are looking for. Interestingly , there was a question if "10 years from now" if it will still be primary, and sure enough, 19 years later, it certainly seems that by far, the majority of people are looking for this version as opposed to any other iteration of ]. ]&thinsp;] 16:13, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. <s>].</s> ]. ] (]) 00:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
*:] would mean moving the article to ], not to this proposed title. ] (]) 01:02, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', WP:PRIMARYPDAB argument makes sense to me. A hatnote can direct the small number of readers to the other TV series articles if necessary. -- ] (]) 21:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' The disparity in pageviews and significance is substantial enough to justify a PDAB. ] (] • ]) 17:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. 60:1 page views is difficult to ignore. ~~ ] (]) 21:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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Proposed merge (2016) with Mythology of Lost

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Expired

Mythology of Lost should be a section of the article Lost (TV series), as Mythology of Lost is just an expansion of the article Lost. Ethanlu121 (talk) 23:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

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Episode Lists

A list of each episode from a season should be attached to the season along with any significant plot development from that episode in order to provide more context with the season descriptions. Giggleshack603 (talk) 00:54, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

IMDB user ratings

IMDB user ratings are not normally allowed. WP:UGC and MOS:TVRECEPTION both make it clear that audiences scores such as those from IMDB are user voted web polls and not reliable. The seem to have been included for quite a while (definitely back at least as far as January 2019.)

It is not clear if there was a discussion about this or a WP:LOCALCONSENUS to allow it or not (nothing like a hidden comment in the wiki source to suggest there was). Someone might argue that since these scores came from a secondary source, The Hollywood Reporter, then it is acceptable to use them. If an exception is being made it should be more clearly indicated.

There is also the problem of WP:LEAD, these scores are included in the LEAD but the intro is supposed to summarize not supplant the contents of the article. The IMDB scores are not mentioned anywhere in the article body. If people want to bend the rules to include these IMDB scores then the Reception section should mention them, and the intro should only mention them if people believe it absolutely necessary to give them that much extra emphasis (which at the moment seems WP:UNDUE).

I would recommend against making any exceptions (if there wasn't an existing consensus) and suggested removing these IMDB scores entirely. Instead as the Project TV Guidelines recommend it would be better to use the TV ratings as the best way to show audience reaction to the series was positive. -- 109.78.194.120 (talk) 21:12, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Fan reactions are generally acceptable if they're cited from a secondary reliable source, such as in this case; and The Hollywood Reporter is a top tier source, different story if it were just sourced from a blog or something. Other examples off the top of my head that talk about fan reactions include, Watchmen (TV series) which talks about its review bombing on Rotten Tomatoes, and Ozymandias (Breaking Bad) that covers its 10/10 IMDb score. I do agree though, the content should be moved out of the lede and possibly into the "Fandom and popular culture" subsection. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:28, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
It stills the same issue: "these scores are included in the LEAD but the intro is supposed to summarize not supplant the contents of the article", what makes it so important to be mentioned in the lead section, but it is not mentioned later? (CC) Tbhotch 21:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
So we're agreed it doesn't belong in the lead. I think it would be better not to include it all, but we can at least agree it should not be in the lead. I understand making an exception when there is a good reason such as an apparent split between critics and audiences, but I don't see a good reason in this case. It seems to be redundantly stating that a very popular show was very popular on IMDB. -- 109.78.194.120 (talk) 22:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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Please replace

  • X "Users of IMDbPro gave Lost the highest average ranking for any television series during the first ten years (2002–2012) of the website's operation"
  • with Y ""
    • i.e. replace it with nothing, delete/remove the sentence (and the reference to the Hollywood Reporter) from the intro entirely.

If other editors have suitable place to add it in the article body later that is a separate matter. I'd like to see WP:UGC and WP:TVRECEPTION applied consistently and the IMDB scores removed unless there is a clear consensus to make an exception. -- 109.79.73.154 (talk) 12:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:52, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
I went ahead and removed it myself.
Don't know how I missed that the article was only partially protected and not locked, my mistake. Apologies and thanks for your time. -- 109.79.73.154 (talk) 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Changing the profile picture

Hi everyone. I suggest to change the profile picture into the one of the title of the latest episode, because it suits better and the word "Lost" shows up much clearer. Could someone please do this? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.1.220.13 (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

"Lost(TV series)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Lost (TV series" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Requested move 13 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus formed around disambiguating with the year instead of the country of origin. (non-admin closure) WPscatter /c 14:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Lost (TV series) → Lost (2004 TV series) – Better to mention U.S. in the article title for enough disambiguation. RMXY (talk) 14:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC) RMXY (talk) 14:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Support. Even if the U.S. TV series is orders of magnitude more popular than the South Korean one, it still makes sense for them to have equal levels of disambiguation. –CWenger (^ • @) 20:34, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment I already retargeted the move to "Lost (American TV series)". "Lost (U.S. TV series)" will still be created as redirect. RMXY (talk) 22:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
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Toxic work environment

Should Evangeline Lilly's claims of a bad environment be added to the toxic work environment section? MisfitBlitz (talk) 00:21, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Requested move of Lost

Hi all, Lost is currently a disambiguation page. I have proposed that it be moved to Lost (disambiguation) so that Lost can redirect here. Please see and comment on the requested move here. Thanks ~~ Wracking  22:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 28 October 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. Supporters are leaning on WP:PRIMARYPDAB, which, interestingly is less of a binding policy and more of a summary of the community's current lack of consensus on the matter. That said, the pageviews argument is the strongest policy-backed argument we have for a move here, with the opposition focusing on this creating more ambiguity. In this case, the argument for a PDAB wins out due to wider support of pageviews as a determining factor, which has not been met with a suitable counterargument as of now. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 18:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Lost (2004 TV series) → Lost (TV series) – Likely WP:PRIMARYPDAB over the two other Lost TV series, per a ~63:1 pageview ratio with the 2001 and the 2021 series combined and per long-term pageview statistics. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 18:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. FOARP (talk) 11:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Television and WikiProject Television/Lost task force have been notified of this discussion. Raladic (talk) 05:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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