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This really needs to be cleaned up. The man pulled out a shotgun in the centre of DC in 2016 and served jail time and most of the 2016 section is about his book. It's preposterous. The page should be deleted if no established editors are looking after it. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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: ] and make edits you feel would improve the article. --] (]) 20:33, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

:There's also no mention of his ties to the far-right conspiracy program Info Wars.--] (]) 06:11, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
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: {{u|Craigboy}} The issue originally addressed by the editors above seems to have already been addressed in the article. What changes are you proposing regarding ]? Just add them to the article as the other editor suggested. ] (]) 15:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
:What "ties"? Sounds like a weasel word. I Googled Info Wars and Adam Kokesh, but found articles about him there. The website has articles about a whole bunch of public figures, not just Kokesh. Right-wing or not, it is a news website, and being written about or interviewed by them doesn't mean he has "ties" to it. I found an interview with him so if it's necessary to mention that he has been a guest, I can do that, but it sounds like trivia.--] (]) 16:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:I mentioned it, but another editor removed it. So I'm leaving this alone now.--] (]) 17:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
:I've added a "controversies" section. Feel free to contribute to it! ] (]) 04:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


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That whole section is incredibly biased, and barely states what the show is about. All it seems to do is highlight how RT is controversial. ] (]) 06:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:I agree it was a biased presentation and have made more NPOV. People can follow links for the praise and/or "dirt" on both Russia Today and Accuracy in Media. This article doesn't have to do it for POV purposes. ] (]) 04:27, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


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==TJ dance party==


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There are two entries for this. One in the protest section, and one in adam vs the man. The first entry was in the protest section, which one should this one be in?--] (]) 04:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


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:Both have been removed but I added it back in the protest section. There is no reason to remove this from the article like it previously was. The new source is from Fox News in D.C.--] (]) 01:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


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I was at the TJ Dance Party. There were over a thousand demonstrators, easy, and there is a TON of video proof out there on the internet; Just go looking. Also, Over a hundred of us danced *inside* the rotunda uninterrupted and without harassment from the US Parks Police, who actually went out of their way to NOT interact with the dancers. Even in the Washington Post video article, you can plainly see they are inside the monument. Your wiki on this event is wholly misrepresented. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:04, 7 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/dancing-protesters-return-to-jefferson-memorial-060411 @ 1:40 "More than 40 minutes after the dancing started, the last three protesters left their own". Please properly represent this event. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 00:40, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
==Report on RT cancellation==
has a report. I don't know how WP:RS it is, though searching the general URL find quote a few articles, including BLP, do use it. I'm not too driven to put it in but FYI. ] (]) 15:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


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:I wouldn't say that site is RS but it has plenty of good links, including that reports on the cancellation of the "show".
:-- ] (]) 15:55, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
::Read the whole article and find the links? I don't need to read no stinking... har har. Thanks. ] (]) 17:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


Hello,
==Explain Advert and Unreliable Source tags==
User:Plot Spoiler put them on the other day but I don't see those problems and unless he explains specifically what needs to be fixed, the tags will be removed soon. Thanks. '']'' 03:52, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
:Was just checking this. I don't see the reason either. Removed tags now. For anyone wish to add them then explain on the talk page. Regards, ] <sup>(])</sup> 14:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


I've made some massive changes recently, including:
==Revamp==
* Expansion to the introduction, and mentioning he is a ] candidate
This is response to the unwarranted "revert" attempt by a certain user. I have edited the article in purely productive manner. I have replaced several dead links with alternative and archived links (this required a lot of time/effort on my part). I have cleaned up certain areas and added newer citations to them. I have also added a "Personal background" section, where I have moved the info about his father, and added more info on background and family. I have also decided to break up and divide the "Protest activities" section into smaller sub-sections divided by year. And plan to add a few more protest events to that list/section. DA1 16:44, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
* An expansion of background on Kokesh's early life, family, and military service
:Please do not be offended by a revert of your changes. I suggest you make the changes in smaller increments so that other editors can easily see what you've done and how you have rearranged content. IfThe edits can be unclear or time-consuming to decipher when many small changes are done in a single edit and general summary. Also please discuss content and edits and avoid references to other editors. Thank you. ] ] 17:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
* Replacing the headings in the "Activism" section to human-readable subjects rather than merely years/chronology
::Thanks for the response. I actually tried to include larger swathes per edit, because I've seen in the past how certain users advise to use "show preview" section rather than making individual edits. I will try to be more descriptive in my edit summaries. However, I would like you to preview/analyze my edits and see if i removed anything of importance or not. I can assure you, I only added info, rearranged certain info, and mostly replaced/added links and cite. There were a lot of dead citations, and formatting inconsistencies, I spent last night and this morning fixing that. ] (]) 17:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
* More background on his high-profile ''Iraq Veterans Against The War'' protests in 2007, including resulting discipline and protests in his support
:::To be frank, my level of interest in this article is not high enough to warrant the time it would take me to sort through a single compound edit. My quick impression is that some of your edits are constructive and add significant information but that others make the narrative obscure and take a somewhat promotional non-encyclopedic tone and style of language. Anyway, I think many smaller edits would engage more feedback for your work here, and please be mindful not to introduce "peacock" evaluative, or promotional language into the article. ] ] 17:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
* Expansion on much of his activism (incl. the protest against the high-profile cursing ban in Middleborough)
::::DA1: Not everyone defines peacock language the same. FYI. ''] - <small>]</small><big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 23:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
* Expansion of positions on government, abortion and foreign policy
* Additional background about ''FREEDOM!'' and the "book bomb" in January
* "Controversies" section, which is currently thin
* Moving his bid for congress out of the "Activism" section


I've added the best ]s I can find. Please let me know if there are any problems. I would appreciate any feedback! ] (]) 01:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
== Excessive Detail and Narrative Style ==


== removing bad sources and puffery ==
The recent additions, particularly the sections captioned by year, have the tone of a real-time narrative or script rather than an encyclopedic summary of notable events. I think some condensation and removal of inessential detail would help this new content deliver the important facts more clearly. Also, some of the references do not appear to be ] for the content cited to them, e.g. International Business Times "Rally a Success..." ] ] 03:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


This isn't a ], so I removed the excessive quotes and a lot of questionable non-RSes and self-sourcing - ] (]) 07:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
:While year sections probably are not necessary and poorly sourced information should removed. But ] is a perfectly good source. Any others problematic? The purpose of wikipedia is to share relevant information, including about notable people. I think a proper rendition of the VFW commander comments belongs there, if not necessarily as its own section. Just haven't gotten around to fixing it yet. ''] - <small>]</small><big>&#x1f5fd;</big> 03:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
::Regardless of whether there is some RS journalism published on the IBT website, the cited web page is opinion and promotion and is not RS news reporting: . ] ] 12:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
:::From sounds more like that was a journalistic report, if rather enthusiastic. The next sentence ref is the problematic one. I've encouraged the editor whose been active here to come join the discussion since this except for watching out for actual BLP violations I'm not heavily invested in this article. ''] - <small>]</small><big>&#x1f5fd;</big>
Please elaborate your concern. I may not fully engage in discussion today (if its long), as I'm kind of busy, but I will eventually get around to answering it by tomorrow night for sure. ] (]) 20:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
: Okay, I actually read all of your comments. For some reason I only read Moore's comment and missed Specifico's. Yes, i concur with the other user that IBTimes is reliable. Also, i have been doing extensive research and comparison between sources/links before deciding to use one to a given line on the article. And what I've seen, some of the other articles out there are more fluffed up than this one you may have concern over (which i believe is unwarranted as is). I know for a fact that around 500 people attended, 300+ of whom were veterans (this is based on numerous YT statements by Kokesh himself). However, some of the other articles out there (and not many articles out there, the incident was very under-reported) state either NO attendance-figures or that over the thousands. IBTimes, actually mentioned a reliable attendance number without exaggeration or non-specificity. Also, calling something a "success" doesn't make it "opinion and promotion", it may have implied what the organizers for the event considered it to be (a success). ] (]) 20:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
:: I also would like to state, my style may seem un-preferable by some, but I'm willing to modify that as i go along. However, what matters most is the encyclopedic content, and not the narration per se. My whole aim is to clean up the article (which I've done) and continue to include relevant content throughout the years (that have been missed). As for me assigning "years", I did so as part of cleaning up the section. There were already numerous examples/events listed, and I figured it would be best to divide them by year, so as to be easier for readers and newer edits can be made in chronological order (which is seemed to lack in some respects, previously). ] (]) 20:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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This really needs to be cleaned up. The man pulled out a shotgun in the centre of DC in 2016 and served jail time and most of the 2016 section is about his book. It's preposterous. The page should be deleted if no established editors are looking after it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.24.235.14 (talk) 19:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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There's also no mention of his ties to the far-right conspiracy program Info Wars.--Craigboy (talk) 06:11, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Craigboy The issue originally addressed by the editors above seems to have already been addressed in the article. What changes are you proposing regarding Info Wars? Just add them to the article as the other editor suggested. Saturnalia0 (talk) 15:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
What "ties"? Sounds like a weasel word. I Googled Info Wars and Adam Kokesh, but found articles about him there. The website has articles about a whole bunch of public figures, not just Kokesh. Right-wing or not, it is a news website, and being written about or interviewed by them doesn't mean he has "ties" to it. I found an interview with him so if it's necessary to mention that he has been a guest, I can do that, but it sounds like trivia.--23mason (talk) 16:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I mentioned it, but another editor removed it. So I'm leaving this alone now.--23mason (talk) 17:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
I've added a "controversies" section. Feel free to contribute to it! 84percent (talk) 04:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

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Hello,

I've made some massive changes recently, including:

  • Expansion to the introduction, and mentioning he is a single-issue candidate
  • An expansion of background on Kokesh's early life, family, and military service
  • Replacing the headings in the "Activism" section to human-readable subjects rather than merely years/chronology
  • More background on his high-profile Iraq Veterans Against The War protests in 2007, including resulting discipline and protests in his support
  • Expansion on much of his activism (incl. the protest against the high-profile cursing ban in Middleborough)
  • Expansion of positions on government, abortion and foreign policy
  • Additional background about FREEDOM! and the "book bomb" in January
  • "Controversies" section, which is currently thin
  • Moving his bid for congress out of the "Activism" section

I've added the best WP:RSs I can find. Please let me know if there are any problems. I would appreciate any feedback! 84percent (talk) 01:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

removing bad sources and puffery

This isn't a WP:BROCHURE, so I removed the excessive quotes and a lot of questionable non-RSes and self-sourcing - David Gerard (talk) 07:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

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