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| This really needs to be cleaned up. The man pulled out a shotgun in the centre of DC in 2016 and served jail time and most of the 2016 section is about his book. It's preposterous. The page should be deleted if no established editors are looking after it. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| I am really beginning to questions User:SPECIFICO's narrow and selective interpretation of the Wiki Reliable Sources guidelines. For example, he goes on about how "opinion" cannot be used as RS, even though wiki clearly guidelines that ] opinionated articles to cite sources. And now he has begun to claim that twitter feeds are impermissible, another unfound claim that is contradicted here: ] and also here ]. You may ''indeed'' use self-published sources (including Twitter/FB feeds) to verify a claim that is about the author in question. ] (]) 14:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| : ] and make edits you feel would improve the article. --] (]) 20:33, 10 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::You're repeating misconceptions to which I already responded above. Please have another look at my comments above and re-read the relevant WP policies. It's not that Twitter can never be used, but the use which I removed is not consistent with WP policy. Please give a look at the detail in the relevant policies. Thanks. ] ] 15:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :There's also no mention of his ties to the far-right conspiracy program Info Wars.--] (]) 06:11, 6 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::Let's assume that twitter is not allowed as a source. In that case, why remove the statement as well? The statement ''is'' true and that has been shown. If in such case, there remains the persistence to remove the initial statement itself (irrespective of the eligibility of the source, as long the as source itself is verified), then that would imply a political/interest bias and not merely a matter of protocol. So may the statement remain, until it has been resolved (when we find an alternative source). ] (]) 08:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| : {{u|Craigboy}} The issue originally addressed by the editors above seems to have already been addressed in the article. What changes are you proposing regarding ]? Just add them to the article as the other editor suggested. ] (]) 15:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Okay, so you have once again removed the statement from the article that he is an anti-zionist whilst claiming that it is unsourced and controversial? So you are pretending that this never happened, that you did not see me source the twitter citation the first time around? I am for certain now, that there is a clear interest/political bias from your accord. 19:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)] (]) | |||
| :What "ties"? Sounds like a weasel word. I Googled Info Wars and Adam Kokesh, but found articles about him there. The website has articles about a whole bunch of public figures, not just Kokesh. Right-wing or not, it is a news website, and being written about or interviewed by them doesn't mean he has "ties" to it. I found an interview with him so if it's necessary to mention that he has been a guest, I can do that, but it sounds like trivia.--] (]) 16:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Behind on commenting here, but as I said on the ] says: "Many of "my people" are anti-zionist. C'mon! Jews can be voluntarists too!" It is rather ambiguous since he's describing others and not being explicit about his own views. I'd like to see him make a clear statement, but this is not it. It just takes too much WP:Synthesis interpretation to say it means he himself is an anti-Zionist, though my personal guess he is (and of course that itself can have a very broad interpretation). He should write a detailed blog and resolve the issue :-) ''] - <small>]</small><big>🗽</big> 19:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
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:I mentioned it, but another editor removed it. So I'm leaving this alone now.--] (]) 17:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC) | ||
| :I've added a "controversies" section. Feel free to contribute to it! ] (]) 04:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
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| I removed the sentence about Kokesh and others being targeted for arrest, because the only source for that paragraph, from US News, does not make that claim. ] (]) 19:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
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| :His "political party" bar in the infobox says he's Republican. That is not entirely true, he was Republican during his 2010 congressional run only. There is also a religion bar that says he's "Jewish", he is actually ] but ethnically Jewish. There are numerous mentions of it, including this video where it is a more prominent subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JUfWlf2xNY (00:40 sec). ] (]) 08:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080610085312/http://www.radaronline.com/features/2007/06/adam_kokesh_iraq_veterans_against_the_war_cindy_sheehan_1.php to http://radaronline.com/features/2007/06/adam_kokesh_iraq_veterans_against_the_war_cindy_sheehan_1.php | |||
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| ::Finding reliable sources for things one "knows are true" can be difficult.Sometimes it's just better to leave things out when not quite accurate. FYI. ''] - <small>]</small><big>🗽</big> 19:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes, but that was't the case, as someone had entered his religion as "Jewish" (which is not accurate), than leave it blank. I have sourced and changed it to "atheist". ] (]) 19:52, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::"Atheist" is not a religion. ] ] 19:56, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: I was going to change it to "None (atheist)". But thought i rather not, lest it be reverted and be blamed for not following "good faith" in refraining from editing the article. ] (]) 20:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 02:25, 23 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I am not suggesting you edit the article. I am suggesting it's nonsense to call "Atheist" a religion, on WP, on the street, in church, on the moon, or anywhere else. ] ] 20:07, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::: User SPECIFICO, for someone who has claimed "personal attack" against me for my use of terminology, i would say your statement is indeed against "good faith" and borderline 'personal attack'. I would also like to point out the contradictions in bringing up logic (on the correct use of "religion"/atheism), when you yourself refuse to acknowledge any of ''my'' logic. ] (]) 20:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Hello fellow Wikipedians, | |||
| ::::::: I would like to address the recent edit removing the term "ethnically Jewish" to simply 'Jewish'. Jewish-ness is both a race and a religion. If Kokesh is an atheist (which he has repeatedly admitted), then the only thing that remains is being "ethnically" Jewish. Having an article that says he's "Jewish but an atheist", is extremely confusing to readers and even contradictory. There needs to be a reasonable level of user discretion in editing articles, as opposed to blindly including/deleting anything that isn't specifically mentioned in a citation. ] (]) 20:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
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| I don't have energy to deal with this right now, but there are more news stories about a 7/4/13 video stunt. ; ; . ''] - <small>]</small> 22:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
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| == removing un-reliable sources and sources that are primary documents == | |||
| Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 00:40, 31 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
| Using ] as our guide, we *must* avoid using as sources: | |||
| * Blogs that are not subject to a news organization's normal fact-checking process | |||
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| ==Massive changes== | |||
| I am removing information from this article that are supported only by sources from the categories I've listed above. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 16:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :Your blanket revert reinstalled POV arguments and speculation into the article, and I've reverted it. Please clean up from this current version. ] (]) 22:30, 10 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
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| == IVAW == | |||
| I've made some massive changes recently, including: | |||
| Concerning in which I commented, "Adam has temporarily been a member of a lot of things; no group should be given undue weight in the lede. (His role in IVAW is mentioned elsewhere in the article.)", I would also note for future editors that Adam has rapidly distanced himself from socialist sentiments; and it would therefore be inaccurate for the article to imply that he's currently a leftist via the communist-front IVAW.--] (]) 19:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| * Expansion to the introduction, and mentioning he is a ] candidate | |||
| -Get of his KOX (etym. of Kokesh = cock), your boy wonder has been x-posed! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| * An expansion of background on Kokesh's early life, family, and military service | |||
| * Replacing the headings in the "Activism" section to human-readable subjects rather than merely years/chronology | |||
| * More background on his high-profile ''Iraq Veterans Against The War'' protests in 2007, including resulting discipline and protests in his support | |||
| * Expansion on much of his activism (incl. the protest against the high-profile cursing ban in Middleborough) | |||
| * Expansion of positions on government, abortion and foreign policy | |||
| * Additional background about ''FREEDOM!'' and the "book bomb" in January | |||
| * "Controversies" section, which is currently thin | |||
| * Moving his bid for congress out of the "Activism" section | |||
| I've added the best ]s I can find. Please let me know if there are any problems. I would appreciate any feedback! ] (]) 01:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
| == Judaism == | |||
| == removing bad sources and puffery == | |||
| Whoever is doing this needs to stop denying Adam's heritage. Adam was raised Jewish, he may not practice Judaism today but this is still significant. Stop denying it, here is the source: | |||
| This isn't a ], so I removed the excessive quotes and a lot of questionable non-RSes and self-sourcing - ] (]) 07:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ-doQFd3I | |||
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This page is acting as a promotional website for this man
This really needs to be cleaned up. The man pulled out a shotgun in the centre of DC in 2016 and served jail time and most of the 2016 section is about his book. It's preposterous. The page should be deleted if no established editors are looking after it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.24.235.14 (talk) 19:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
- WP:BEBOLD and make edits you feel would improve the article. --Weazie (talk) 20:33, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
- There's also no mention of his ties to the far-right conspiracy program Info Wars.--Craigboy (talk) 06:11, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
- Craigboy The issue originally addressed by the editors above seems to have already been addressed in the article. What changes are you proposing regarding Info Wars? Just add them to the article as the other editor suggested. Saturnalia0 (talk) 15:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
- What "ties"? Sounds like a weasel word. I Googled Info Wars and Adam Kokesh, but found articles about him there. The website has articles about a whole bunch of public figures, not just Kokesh. Right-wing or not, it is a news website, and being written about or interviewed by them doesn't mean he has "ties" to it. I found an interview with him so if it's necessary to mention that he has been a guest, I can do that, but it sounds like trivia.--23mason (talk) 16:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- I mentioned it, but another editor removed it. So I'm leaving this alone now.--23mason (talk) 17:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
- I've added a "controversies" section. Feel free to contribute to it! 84percent (talk) 04:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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Massive changes
Hello,
I've made some massive changes recently, including:
- Expansion to the introduction, and mentioning he is a single-issue candidate
- An expansion of background on Kokesh's early life, family, and military service
- Replacing the headings in the "Activism" section to human-readable subjects rather than merely years/chronology
- More background on his high-profile Iraq Veterans Against The War protests in 2007, including resulting discipline and protests in his support
- Expansion on much of his activism (incl. the protest against the high-profile cursing ban in Middleborough)
- Expansion of positions on government, abortion and foreign policy
- Additional background about FREEDOM! and the "book bomb" in January
- "Controversies" section, which is currently thin
- Moving his bid for congress out of the "Activism" section
I've added the best WP:RSs I can find. Please let me know if there are any problems. I would appreciate any feedback! 84percent (talk) 01:41, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
removing bad sources and puffery
This isn't a WP:BROCHURE, so I removed the excessive quotes and a lot of questionable non-RSes and self-sourcing - David Gerard (talk) 07:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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