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| *hi nice article. note you can set up an info box which all different dialects or languages on wiki have. see ]. It can be copied and then adapted. ] 12:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| *Hello, are you still there, Magnuspharao? | |||
| The Nahuatl page could use your help. See my note on the talk page. | |||
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| *Thanks for your insightful comments on the ] page. ] 23:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi Maunus (and welcome to WP:MESO, by the way!). In doing some background research into the Valley of Mexico site ] (or Colhuacan), there seem to be a couple of competing etymologies for its name. One source glosses the meaning as something like "place of those with ancestors", while others (such as the ''Relación geográfica'' of Culhuacan) give it to mean "bent hill/mountain" or "twisted ridge". In consulting some online Nahuatl dictionaries I'm struggling to see how either of these apply, although presumably ''-hua'can'' is indeed something like "place of where owners of are". Does ''col-'' have some associated meaning such as "ancestor", or "bent, twisted", or...? Or (as seems to be implied) are these homophones, since the glyph used to denote Culhuacan in aztec codices is indeed shaped like a 'bent' hill. | |||
| Appreciate any insights you may have on the matter.--]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>] 03:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for the confirmations, Maunus- precisely what I was looking for - much appreciated! Cheers, --]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>] 23:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi Maunus- when I look at this page I don't see anything particularly amiss, just needs a bit more copyediting and perhaps a little rewrite in places so that the tone is not so technical. Perhaps it is a problem with your web browser? You could try clearing your browser's cache and reload the page, see if that improves matters. If not, what are the symptoms you are seeing- misaligned text, tables out of whack, or...?--]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>] 07:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks for the La Mojarra Stela 1 photos!!! == | |||
| ]Being a creature of the American ], I have no direct access to these artifacts and monuments that I write about. Therefore, it was a real treat to see the photos you've added to ]. | |||
| Do you have ] in higher resolution or larger?? | |||
| :: No problems I am happy to contribute them. And yes I do have better versions. I have another photo taken in a straight angle too, but the signs are a little harder to see on that one because of the light. I'd be happy to supply you with them | |||
| :::It sounds like you've chosen the best photos, if you could upload a higher resolution ] it would give better detail. | |||
| :::Since you were in the Museo de Antropologica in Xalapa, do you have any photos of the twins &/or jaguars found at ] -- also known as Loma del Zapote -- (), or of Altar 5, or even of more colossal heads?? That would just be wonderful. ] 14:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Sorry. I was only really interested in the stela and I didn't get good photos of other stuff. My wife is in all the pictures of colossal heads (not that she's not pretty but I don't think it suits wikipedian needs). I will probably put up some photos of Chalcatzingo and Xochicalco though.--] 14:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Hey, you have some nice photos ]!! I've already added the "jaguarbaby" to the ] article. If you don't mind, I would also like to take a few excerpts of the frontal shot of ] and use them in the ] and possibly the ] article. The glyphs are ''so'' clear in the shot, I think it may be better than the oblique photo on La Mojarra Stela 1. In any case, good work, and thanks. I've been starving for good images. ] 21:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::>>''I will probably put up some photos of Chalcatzingo and Xochicalco though''<< I've been doing some work over at Chalcatzingo and was wondering whether you had any photos of the site &/or the monuments? Curiously yours, ] 18:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I havent had a chance to acces them yet. Ill post you a message when I do.] 18:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I will patiently wait. Thanks! ] 19:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Let's discuss orthography changes == | |||
| Maunus, let's discuss any wholesale changes to spelling (orthography) beforehand. In particular, the name of the Aztec capital is "Tenochtitlan", which is not only the name of the article in English, but Spanish as well. I have never seen "Tenochtitlān" used by anyone - I will occasionally find "Tenochtitlán" but none of the established sources (e.g. ]) use that. | |||
| I did open a discussion on orthography on the ] talk page some time ago, but without resolution. | |||
| Thanks, ] 17:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Some recent changes made at ] == | |||
| Hi Maunus, would you be able to review some made at this article- they seem plausible but I'm not familiar with this area. For some background on the contributor, see also ] and ] as well. Regards, --]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>] 05:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Accented chars == | |||
| Hi Maunus. Do you know of any Mesoamerican languages which make use of accented characters in their native orthographies (in particular, as a marker for stress, and discounting of course how they might be marked in a written spanish context)? I've presumed there aren't any, but I could easily be mistaken. Cheers,--]<font color="#DAA520"> | </font>] 13:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::A lot of Totonac orthographies use acute accent as a marker fort stress, as do some northern uto-aztecan languages. Others such as otomi and Mazahua orthographies use accents for tone. Some varieties of nahuatl that have phonemic stress also use them for stress, and even in classical nahuatl accent grave is used to mark stess in the vocative form of the verb which is the only form that doesn't have stress on the penultimate syllable. So yes, many languages do.] 16:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Re : Matthew Stirling == | |||
| Thank you for the assessment and the corrections. I was wondering if you (or anyone else, actually) has a copyright-free image of Stirling that I could put on the page. ] 22:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Olmec == | |||
| Hi, I ask an arbitration about ''French School''. Can you give me your opinion. Thanks again. ] 17:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Maunus, I am having some difficulty with Olmeque over at the ] article. He insists on using just his wording and only his wording regarding this so-called "French School". I have tried in several ways to blend his points into the article, but he wants his section in his exact words. | |||
| I would appreciate your input there, if you have the time. Thanks, ] 15:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Question at Talk:Maquahuitl == | |||
| Maunus, being one of the resident Nahuatl experts, could you pass judgement on the question of spelling Maquahuitl/Macuahuitl over at ]? Any insight would be appreciated. ] 01:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| *Wonderfully well written and referenced. Enjoyed reading it very much. Cheers -- ] <small>]</small> 08:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Congratulations, Maunus. You are well on your way to becoming a ''Did You Know'' addict! : ) | |||
| And I do have to say, with amazement and affection, that only a linguist could write (or understand!) something like this: | |||
| :''Did you know ...that the P'urhépecha language isolate of Mexico is one of only two Mesoamerican languages not to have a phonemic glottal stop and that it has more than 160 affixes, 13 tenses and 6 modes? '' | |||
| Keep up the good work!! ] 19:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: Thanks :) . It may have been a little dense but it was all wikilinked: if you follow the links to all those linguistic terms you may end up becoming a linguist yourself! ] 20:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Starting a Pipil language page == | |||
| Following our recent discussion, I am thinking about writing the Pipil/Nawat language page we talked about. I don't know if you can give me any (technical) tips about how to get going. I have looked around in the help pages of course, but there are still some doubts in my mind, as this is my first time. | |||
| One idea that I am considering is to start by copying another language article (perhaps one of yours), renaming it and using it as a sort of '''informal template'''. I could do that and then if I came up with more specific difficulties I could come back to you (or someone else, if you prefer) to see if you can help me out. | |||
| Since we have, for now, apparently agreed to disagree on the point of the '''name of the language''', I suggest the following compromise, and I'd like to know whether you agree to it. Initially I will name the page 'Pipil language'. At the beginning of the article I would like to refer, briefly and objectively, to the fact that there is some disagreement about how the language should be referred to, and then state that in the rest of the article the language will often be referred to as Nawat. Within that context there should not be any ambiguity regarding what language we are talking about. It will be undersood that nothing (including the name of the page) is to be considered the 'last word' on this matter; I would just like to get the issue (temporarily at least) out of the way so as to get on with the 'real' work of developing a good article on the language. Does that sound okay to you? | |||
| As for the contents of the article, as I said before, my strongest area is the description of the '''language system''' itself, i.e. sounds, grammar, etc. Other questions I can also touch on are: '''present state''' of the language and its speakers, and official status (or rather non-status!); relationship (i.e. lack of, genetically) to other '''indigenous languages of El Salvador''', with cross-references of course; '''language recovery''' initiatives; writing and alternative '''spelling systems'''; '''typological''' observations; '''lexicon'''; sample '''vocabulary''' items; existing written and audio '''corpus'''; some sample '''texts''' and recordings; '''sources and references'''. | |||
| I have deliberately omitted some aspects here, because I would prefer someone else to help out, both to involve more than one editor but also to lighten my work load if possible. Naturally any or all of the aforementioned areas are open to other contributions, but I particularly think that sections on the language's '''history''', '''genetic affiliation''', '''language status''' (is it a dialect of Nahuatl or a language in its own right?) etc. could perhaps be done by someone else. | |||
| Then there is another matter of concern to me. One is not allowed to cite one's own work, or refer to an organisation to which one belongs. But there are references to both my work and organisations to which I belong that would help to make the information in the article more complete. From what I have gathered, a possible solution here is for another editor to supply such information. So if this works the way I think it does, perhaps I could first give you the relevant references or materials to look at, and if, as co-editor of the page, you (genuinely) consider that their mention is worthwhile and justified, you could insert such references. I don't want you to interpret this as in any way pressuring you to 'find them worthwhile and justified' or to put them in, I would leave that up to your judgment entirely. I'm just looking for a way to give the reading public the best and fullest information we can. Is this the right way to go about this, or if not what do you suggest? --] 09:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: It sounds very good indeeed. I think you are more than wellprepared for making the page, and remember that we will all be there to check up on it, conform it to standards and discuss what is to be discussed. I will gladly look at your references and judge how they should be applied in the page, I think what you suggest is indeed the fairest and best way to get around the Original Research claim. I think that with all the deliberation you are putting into this that it will turn out a very good article. ] 23:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] and Paul Cohen == | |||
| Hi Maunus, do you have a source regarding their marriage? We need to cite this to put it in the article. -] 16:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: I suppose I consider that common knowledge snce he is always referred to as her husband. Try conducting a search for "Lila Downs Paul Cohen" on google, in interviews, reviews and descriptions he is always reffered to as such. If you speak spanish the spanish sites are even more consistent in calling him her "esposo". Do we really need to see their marriage certifiact to believe it? ] 16:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::No need for a marriage certificate. I actually have searched for this before and everything I've read was pretty ambiguous. If you could please, just cite one of the articles you've mentioned next to your statement. The article can be in English or Spanish. -] 16:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Nevermind, I took care of it. You were right, it was trivial to find! -] 17:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hey, I noticed that you did some work on the ] article. I appreciate that -- I started it, but I really didn't know much about it. I also started ], and you may want to look at that as well. It's just a start. I was trying to create basic articles for languages which had interesting linguistic features, but I ran into a wall on finding information on them. ]<small> (] | ])</small> 13:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: I've expanded the Chocho article a bit. The only info I had was quoted from an article about another interesting language: ]. ] 14:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::It looks great. Nice work! ]<small> (] | ])</small> 14:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Mixezoquemap == | |||
| HI, How did yu make the Mixe-Zoque map? I'd like to make some maps, esp. of Austronesian languages... Thanks!--] 12:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: I made it in Photoshop using one of the blank maps that can be found through the ] page as a base and painting the different languages in different colours. ] 12:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Toltecs == | |||
| Hi there. I've been following bits of the recent debate about the disputed existence of a distinct Toltec culture. The issue comes as news to me since it goes against I've been told at school. Thus I was wondering whether you had some academic sources at hand so I could go on reading about it, instead of asking random questions in talk pages. I would prefer journal articles, but books could do as well. Thanks! -- ]] ] | ] 15:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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