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| :I am back. Worked on (still working on, actually) a few things with my doctors and I'm feeling quite a lot better. Knock wood, it sticks. I created a new article today. Would you like to look it over? It's about Amy Kelly, author of ''Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings''. It needs a little more work, but I think it's a good start. I'll probably take a break for a bit... Don't want to overdo it. ] (]) ] (]) 22:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| ::I took a look at the lead of ] and it cracked me up a bit. After fifteen years of marriage and two daughters her husband agreed to an annulment (heaven forbid royalty ever divorce) on the grounds of ] within the fourth degree (but why was the marriage allowed in the first place, and it took 15 years to figure that out?) So then she just remarries other royalty committing the same crime in the third degree! I can see how that's fodder for a best-selling book (and maybe a TV miniseries too). Sure, take it easy, no need to work harder than you feel up to. – ] (]) 02:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::What kicked this off was hubby and I were watching ''The Lion in Winter'' (one of our favorite "Christmas" movies). Then we got to talking about Eleanor. He likes to read historical nonfiction, so I said, You should read ''Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings''. And I bought him a used copy. So he's sitting there looking at it, and then his phone, and he said, There's no Misplaced Pages article on Amy Kelly. And I said, What? And there you go! | |||
| :::Thanks for the positive feedback. I truly appreciate it. BTW, what is the "Review" process? It doesn't leave anything in the reviewer's history. I've always wondered about that. ] (]) | |||
| ::::There are multiple review processes. One is ]. Another is ] (see ]). Another is ] (see ] – you too may apply to join the ]). Another is ] (behold that detailed flowchart!). You can see in my that I marked revision 1136740705 of page ] patrolled – that's just a matter of checking a box. I confess I didn't use that flowchart as part of my review process. Your writing is so many levels above the average I see that I didn't think it was necessary. The new page reviewers are a more elite group (currently , plus administrators). And then there's ], which uses a "Curation Toolbar". I have trouble keeping track of it all. That's why there's a disambiguation page! ''']'''. – ] (]) 21:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| :As a named party, I thought I got 1,000 words. However, since I've been told that my opinion that Karanacs is involved doesn't matter for this action, can I just remove that? ] (]) 21:47, 30 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| ::: You can check your word count at http://wordcounttools.com/. Right now, your statement rates 1209 words although it is a bit fewer than that because diffs do not count. But you can consider your statement at at least twice the length that it should be. <font face="Papyrus" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 21:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| {{u|L235}} could you please talk with arbitrators about giving me permission to have 1000 words for my statement? I am trying to convince them to add eight people as involved parties. After adding six to my statement I'm up to 800 words and I need room for two more. Considering how many people are lining up to "try" me (so to speak), and since Karanacs got 500 words to talk about me, I don't think this is asking too much. ] (]) 01:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| ::OK. Then I respectfully request that I have until Monday afternoon - say 19:00 UTC - to finish trimming and adding to my statement. Afterall, this is a record of the first step in what could be - if it goes forward as Karanacs proposed - a Lightbreather v. 7 Named But "Uninvolved" Parties - plus their Wikifriends. It is the birthday weekend of a direct family member, and I'd like not to have to spend all of it on this RFAR. (I've been working this morning on evidence about the last 2 of 8 editors whom I have suggested are involved, but my family is rousing from their beds so I'll be leaving my office soon.) ] (]) 16:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| This also applies to you, so I need to ask you to revise some of your evidence. If another editor (eg Karanacs) with whom you do not have an iban raises an issue concerning one of the editors with whom you do have an iban, you can of course respond to that. But you should not be submitting evidence about them directly, nor should they. Can I also remind you that if you wish to complain about violations of an iban, that ] says you can ask "an administrator to take action against a violation of an interaction ban by another party (but normally not more than once, and only by mentioning the fact of the violation)." ] (]) 18:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :Karanacs led her preliminary statement with links to my ibans and requests for ibans. They're the backbone of her case that I'm a "battleground" editor. They were presented, essentially, as diffs, which "may be relied upon by arbitrators when drafting the proposed decision." Can you please discuss this with the other arbitrators? Since I am the sole "defendant" in this case, gagging me this way hardly seems fair. I can't defend myself without addressing - in the appropriate place: the evidence page - the behaviors of others who contributed to the arrival of this case. ] (]) 18:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :I also mentioned these editors in my preliminary statement, without being notified of objections by an arb or clerk. ] (]) 18:51, 6 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Roger beat me to it. I cannot understand why you would do this after being notified. ] (]) 09:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
| {{u|Dougweller}} I have to agree with LB on this point. The iBans themselves are being used as evidence against LB, she should be permitted to discuss (within reason) the circumstances that led to those ibans. Obviously this is a risky proposition for LB though, as rehashing old arguments could itself be seens as evidence of the battleground. A narrow path for her to weave, but she should be allowed to try. ] (]) 18:53, 6 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
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Get well soon
Sorry to see the note on the top of this page. At least you were allowed back last year and got in 278 edits. Hope to see you back sometime in 2023. wbm1058 (talk) 18:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- I am back. Worked on (still working on, actually) a few things with my doctors and I'm feeling quite a lot better. Knock wood, it sticks. I created a new article today. Would you like to look it over? It's about Amy Kelly, author of Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings. It needs a little more work, but I think it's a good start. I'll probably take a break for a bit... Don't want to overdo it. Lightbreather (talk) Lightbreather (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- Super. If you can improve on that you're a better writer than me. Based on "evidences of seriousness of purpose and promise of success" I recommend you for the honor roll of WikiProject historical biography writers. Prose of this quality has not appeared on Misplaced Pages in many a long day.
- I took a look at the lead of Eleanor of Aquitaine and it cracked me up a bit. After fifteen years of marriage and two daughters her husband agreed to an annulment (heaven forbid royalty ever divorce) on the grounds of consanguinity within the fourth degree (but why was the marriage allowed in the first place, and it took 15 years to figure that out?) So then she just remarries other royalty committing the same crime in the third degree! I can see how that's fodder for a best-selling book (and maybe a TV miniseries too). Sure, take it easy, no need to work harder than you feel up to. – wbm1058 (talk) 02:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
- What kicked this off was hubby and I were watching The Lion in Winter (one of our favorite "Christmas" movies). Then we got to talking about Eleanor. He likes to read historical nonfiction, so I said, You should read Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings. And I bought him a used copy. So he's sitting there looking at it, and then his phone, and he said, There's no Misplaced Pages article on Amy Kelly. And I said, What? And there you go!
- Thanks for the positive feedback. I truly appreciate it. BTW, what is the "Review" process? It doesn't leave anything in the reviewer's history. I've always wondered about that. Lightbreather (talk)
- There are multiple review processes. One is Misplaced Pages:Peer review. Another is Recent changes (see Misplaced Pages:Recent changes patrol). Another is Misplaced Pages:Pending changes (see Misplaced Pages:Reviewing pending changes – you too may apply to join the 7,813 reviewers). Another is Misplaced Pages:New pages patrol (behold that detailed flowchart!). You can see in my patrol log that I marked revision 1136740705 of page Amy Kelly patrolled – that's just a matter of checking a box. I confess I didn't use that flowchart as part of my review process. Your writing is so many levels above the average I see that I didn't think it was necessary. The new page reviewers are a more elite group (currently 726 members, plus administrators). And then there's Misplaced Pages:Page Curation, which uses a "Curation Toolbar". I have trouble keeping track of it all. That's why there's a disambiguation page! Misplaced Pages:Reviewing. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
- I see. I was aware of peer reviews, but not all the others. Thanks for explaining - and for your kind words. Lightbreather (talk)
- There are multiple review processes. One is Misplaced Pages:Peer review. Another is Recent changes (see Misplaced Pages:Recent changes patrol). Another is Misplaced Pages:Pending changes (see Misplaced Pages:Reviewing pending changes – you too may apply to join the 7,813 reviewers). Another is Misplaced Pages:New pages patrol (behold that detailed flowchart!). You can see in my patrol log that I marked revision 1136740705 of page Amy Kelly patrolled – that's just a matter of checking a box. I confess I didn't use that flowchart as part of my review process. Your writing is so many levels above the average I see that I didn't think it was necessary. The new page reviewers are a more elite group (currently 726 members, plus administrators). And then there's Misplaced Pages:Page Curation, which uses a "Curation Toolbar". I have trouble keeping track of it all. That's why there's a disambiguation page! Misplaced Pages:Reviewing. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Pending Proposal for Kessler Foundation
Hi. I see you’re a member of the WikiProject Medicine/Society and medicine task force. I’ve made a number of proposals to update the article about Kessler Foundation, a charity that supports people with disabilities. Several have been reviewed but a few remain. The request is posted here Talk:Kessler_Foundation#Kessler Foundation Edit Requests – October 2022. I have a conflict of interest, and do the edits myself. Would you possibly have time to look at these? I appreciate your time. Dogmomma529 (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't remember joining a medicine task force. Good luck with your proposals. Lightbreather (talk)
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