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It is unsourced and dangerous. Why would people seek help if it resolves over time?
It is unsourced and dangerous. Why would people seek help if it resolves over time?
:The citation immediately after the claim includes "Since major depression is often a self-limiting disorder that tends to resolve over time...". The claim as-is appears to have existed in the article since at least Feb 2022 so I am hesitant to adjust. Any suggestions are welcome.--] (]) 08:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:The citation immediately after the claim includes "Since major depression is often a self-limiting disorder that tends to resolve over time...". The claim as-is appears to have existed in the article since at least Feb 2022 so I am hesitant to adjust. Any suggestions are welcome.--] (]) 08:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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There is not a single modern citation in this text, which should be updated to modern sources if re-incoporated. Most of this dated text is based on sources at least 20 years old; WP:MEDDATE. Debatesdebates? It's also unclear why it belongs in the Terminology section. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The diagnosis is less common in some countries, such as China. It has been argued that the Chinese traditionally deny or somatize emotional depression (although since the early 1980s, the Chinese denial of depression may have modified). Alternatively, it may be that Western cultures reframe and elevate some expressions of human distress to disorder status. Australian professor Gordon Parker and others have argued that the Western concept of depression medicalizes sadness or misery. Similarly, Hungarian-American psychiatrist Thomas Szasz and others argue that depression is a metaphorical illness that is inappropriately regarded as an actual disease. There has also been concern that the DSM, as well as the field of descriptive psychiatry that employs it, tends to reify abstract phenomena such as depression, which may in fact be social constructs. American archetypal psychologistJames Hillman writes that depression can be healthy for the soul, insofar as "it brings refuge, limitation, focus, gravity, weight, and humble powerlessness." Hillman argues that therapeutic attempts to eliminate depression echo the Christian theme of resurrection, but have the unfortunate effect of demonizing a soulful state of being.
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@SandyGeorgia: I originally placed it there as elaborates on idea of definition and meta-aspects. However looking at it now, and given the length of the article and the age of the quotes, I feel the article is better without it - much of these are more pertinent to more general discussion of mood disorders, the reification sentence possibly could stay if I can update it and find discussion making it notable but not fussed really. Cas Liber (talk·contribs) 03:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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This article must be flagged as having a geopolitical bias. It needs to be globalized beyond the United States and other English speaking countries or Europe. BennuPedia (talk) 20:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
You removed this: Research has found that unhappily married couples are at 3–25 times the risk of developing clinical depression.
in favor of this: Couples that are unhappily married have up to 25 times the risk of developing clinical depression.
That doesn't make sense.
You also removed: Should you have experienced four or more adverse childhood experiences, you're 3.2 to 4.0 times more likely to suffer from depression.
claiming it was referenced elsewhere, and more recently. The description of ACEs in the article does not say 3.2 to 4. And I find your issue about the publication date very vague. Lau737 (talk) 15:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
We discussed these at length on your talk page; once you've processed everything there, we can continue (I'll be away from computer for several hours). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
We assuredly did not bring up ACEs even once. And why you would bring back the "bad" statement after that lengthy discussion about how everything had to be secondary source, with review articles is beyond me. Lau737 (talk) 16:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
What we've talked about at your user talk is information included in these links:
A statement like "four ACEs" increase the risk of depression 3.2 to 4.0 times is relevant to many pages like Major depressive disorder, Family disruption, or Happiness. It's not undue weight. Personally, I find the severity of the increase difficult to spot, even on the Adverse childhood experiences page.
I do not agree with rephrasing all those findings into "an unhappy marriage increases the risk of depression." That's just common sense. People are going to fill in the blank thinking it's +5%, or something, not +200% or +2400% times. It's just a bad way of conveying information
Lau737 could you please read WP:TALK and WP:THREAD? Following talk page guidelines will make your posts easier for others to work through. As per our discussion on your talk, I'm still waiting for a secondary source on the 3 to 25 (we have the 25 at Goldfarb), so I generalized the whole thing pending that. If you can provide a secondary source, I agree that expressing a range up to 25 is more useful. Similar on the childhood adverse events: if you have more than a 15-year-old primary study for the content, "Should you have experienced four or more adverse childhood experiences, you're 3.2 to 4.0 times more likely to suffer from depression" (PMID16311898), more detail can be added, but depending on due weight in broad overviews of major depression, that content might find a better home at Epigenetics of depression. This is a broad summary article; see WP:ONUS. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:33, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
They were presented on my talk page before inclusion. One is from the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, so peer-reviewed, the other is from Couple and Family Psychology, so peer reviewed.
They are assuredly not. One is Fink et al. (2013) pointing to O-Leary et al. (1994), the other is Gray et al. (2019) which points to Whisman (1999). Lau737 (talk) 10:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
PMID31584721 (Gray) is a randomized controlled trial.
PMID25032063 (Fink) is a primary study, but the preamble does cite 10 to 25 to O'Leary.
Yes they are primary studies in regard to their own conclusions, but they are secondary sources in regard to the conclusions of O'Leary and Whisman. Whisman concluded three times. Lau737 (talk) 11:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
"Major depressive episodes often resolve over time, whether or not they are treated."
It is unsourced and dangerous. Why would people seek help if it resolves over time?
The citation immediately after the claim includes "Since major depression is often a self-limiting disorder that tends to resolve over time...". The claim as-is appears to have existed in the article since at least Feb 2022 so I am hesitant to adjust. Any suggestions are welcome.--Commander Keane (talk) 08:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
FA concerns
As part of WP:URFA/2020, this article has been noticed for WP:FAR in 2020 and 2022. Circling back onto it now, I see that the article has an "update needed" orange banner at the top of the page. Is anyone actively maintaining this article, and able to address this banner? If not, should this go to WP:FAR? Z1720 (talk) 02:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lizthegrey (talk) 22:48, 2 April 2023 (UTC)