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== Plot == |
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Removed a line that stated "There will be an HD remake in autumn 2013" (may not be an exact quote) at the end of the first paragraph that was redundant (this is already mentioned elsewhere in the article) and has no bearing on the plot whatsoever. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:30, 24 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== 2 Wii U version sections? == |
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Currently there are actually two sections titled 'Wii U version,' one at the end of 'Gameplay' and the other at the end of 'Development.' I understand that this may be to provide a gameplay and plot perspective to the remake, however the two sections cover much of the same content and I fell it would be of much benefit to the reader if all the information was compiled into one place. Thoughts? ''']'''<sup>]</sup> 23:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:My first thought is to rewrite the two subsections to only include the information relevant to the main section (the subsection in "Gameplay" should only have gameplay differences while the subsection in "Development" should only have development differences). In time, it may warrant its own article like Ocarina of Time 3DS did. Counterthoughts? ] (]) 02:57, 27 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::Everything should stay in the development Wii U section. ] (] '''·''' ]) 05:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC) |
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== What about a part about content == |
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May i suggest a new part called content? We can talk about what the game contain like dungeons, bosses etc? Is it a good idea or not? ] (]) 14:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:That might be difficult. Official Misplaced Pages and project policy is that "fancruft", information that only a hardcore fan would care about, is not acceptable in a Misplaced Pages article. Unless you can find a way to make such seemingly walkthrough-worthy information encyclopedic, I would expect the Wise Ones to see it as fancruft and disapprove. That being said, ] to make it encyclopedic. ] (]) 05:08, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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::{{reply to|MicroMacroMania}}Larry was super right about the first part. It's basic Wikipedian ethos (fandom, lore, etc), to believe that everyone's time and energy are totally and equally worthless, that all people are equally totally self-interested, and that people have nothing better to do than read, revert, delete, or edit everyone else's text daily. To throw stuff boldly against a wall and see what sticks or isn't scrubbed off by someone else. But it's not actually true. We can actually mostly know what's right and wrong before acting. Here are the links to the aforementioned policies, containing the aforementioned explicit bans on this particular material. ] ] ] ]. MicroMacroMania, please read those and realize that the article already contains a description of the nature of the game's dungeons and bosses. I really hope that those guidelines and policies (and the stuff that's already in decent articles such as this one) will shape your desire to figure out what content is actually necessary, because that's how many good editors start out! You did the right thing in asking, and please do keep asking guiding questions. — ] <small>] ]</small> 05:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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Haha.. Dude I am already a frequent writer on Misplaced Pages.. I wrote most articles about tax systems, "taxation in Hungary", "taxation in Croatia", "taxation in Slovakia"... I made those pages.. I just havent edited game pages before.. But ok... Thx dude :) ] (]) 08:13, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:Right on. After my comment, I checked you out and expanded your super excellent articles. — ] <small>] ]</small> 08:16, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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Lol yeah I noticed it know.. Anyway sad we cant have pages about all content in the games for us mega fans :D] (]) 08:28, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:Oh yeah, I was gonna say that yes we can, as long as it's over at Misplaced Pages's sister site, wikia.com. Fandom and whatnot, is exactly what it's for. <3 — ] <small>] ]</small> 09:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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::I am a HUGE ] fan, so I have and bookmarked! The wikias are where you go for pretty much anything there is to know about a game or franchise. There are a lot of wikia sites out there, so you should be able to find one that suits your interests. And don't feel bad about being called out by Smuckola. When I was new here, which was only a few weeks ago, Smuckola kept correcting me, but now I know what to do and what not to do! <span style="font-family:Impact;padding:5px;border-radius:4px;background:#000">]]</span> 16:45, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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Dude I am NOT A NEWCOMER!!11!!1 I just asked a question lol... I have been here for months...] (]) 06:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC) |
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== Link's Age == |
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I just noticed that Link's age in the plot summary is the subject of a minor dispute. I'd like to see it resolved here before it becomes an edit war. I don't believe his age was ever mentioned either in the game or the Hyrule Historia, so where are the numbers 9 and 12 coming from? ] (]) 05:39, 19 September 2014 (UTC) |
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: I do not know either. I am inclined myself to delete the age. I think the age of 12 comes from SS:BRAWL on his trophy it states the following: "Link as he appeared in The Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, with big eyes and an expressive face. He lived peacefully on Outset Island until a bird captured his little sister, and he came to her rescue. In The Wind Waker, he had to crawl, press up to walls, and the like. His green clothes were worn on his 12th birthday and are the lucky outfit of the hero of legend."] (]) 07:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::I wouldn't be opposed to deleting the age either, but you know that someone's gonna put it back and that will just end in some level of page protection. I'm gonna split the difference and put a citation needed tag on it; maybe Super Smash Bros counts as a reliable source, but I'm gonna leave that call to someone wiser than me. ] (]) 06:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::: Well sometimes protection is unavoidable especially if ip are the one doing it. But we can see what people can come up with. After all it does not have any rush. And if they come up with nothing we can just delete it later. ] (]) 06:47, 20 September 2014 (UTC) |
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== Merge Request == |
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{{Archive top|status=resolved|result='''No consensus''' to merge HD article, based on personal preference. In six months' time there were no substantive arguments each way, and none that demonstrated what coverage the sources support. – ] 15:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)}} |
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{{Moved discussion from|Talk:The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD#Merge Request|reason=This discussion was happening on 2 different talk pages at once, I have copied the comments from the other talk page to this. Any further discussion should be continued here. ] (]) 22:05, 31 March 2015 (UTC)}} |
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In my opinion there's very little new content in the Wii U re-release to warrant a separate article. The plot section is just a copy and paste, and even the minor gameplay differences are described in greater detail than needed for a general-use encyclopedia (as opposed to a Wikia or GameFAQ). I think we can expand the sub-section in this article rather than create a new one. For Chrono Trigger, ] didn't get its standalone article even though it has new boss fights and maps. Even Ocarina: Master Quest (which does have completely redesigned dungeons) is only a subsection of the main ] article. 01:33, 15 December 2014 (UTC) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*'''Support''': There is definitely not enough information to warrant a separate article. There are multiple articles that include sections in development, gameplay and reception that cover more than one version of the game. --] (]) 18:46, 25 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''': I lend my support to this as well. I do not understand even how such an article could have been greenlit, considering how similar it is to this article. One of the unique parts of the other article is the development section and release section. But those are quite small so they should be able to be integrated to this article. Same with the reception section as well. That section also feels bloated because of the pre-release babble that is included. ] (]) 12:09, 26 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. I think it would serve readers better to cover the new version in a section here rather than sending them to a separate article with a ton of duplicate material.--] ]/] 14:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''': per nom. Game is essentially the same, with an HD facelift. The development and reception sections of the Wii U version can easily be put here too. --]. ] / ] 16:51, 28 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - Plot and gameplay are of very low importance in a video game article anyway. I would support getting rid of 90% of the content of these two sections, and only summarize them concisely. Then, looking at the actual unique content, which are the important development, release and reception sections, I think there's plenty of content to warrant a unique article. I've never really been a fan of combining different games (such as done with '']''), so I would oppose to this merge. Merging the development, release and reception sections of this article into the ''Windwaker'' article might get that article out of balance. ~] (]) 19:09, 25 January 2015 (UTC) |
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::I could go either way too. On one hand, the game's are largely identical. On the other hand, I do believe the HD version did receive a lot of exclusive coverage, and elicited commentary for a few things the original did not. (One of the first Nintendo HD remasters, releasing the game a month earlier digitally, etc.) ] ] 13:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC) |
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:::If the issue is that it includes a lot of duplicate content from another article, then simply remove most of that content and see if the article holds up. I think there is plenty of original coverage here to keep it separate from the original game. ~] (]) 14:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC) |
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::::When it's an issue of overlap, I tend to prefer merging. The content here really doesn't look too substantial to me - the Development section I threw together for '']'' a few years ago is about the same size, and that was just cobbled together from some tangential E3 articles and stuff. It might have the potential for some expansion, and likewise so does Reception, but... I mean, I hate to ask, but would users really care enough for us to host a separate page just for that? We don't even differentiate console and handheld versions of games >99% of the time (the only exception that jumps to mind is ]), let alone upgraded ports (e.g. '']'', '']'', '']'' for Wii, '']'', '']'' for GBA ). Why are remasters treated differently? ] (]) 23:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep separate'''. I created the article for TWW HD because of the large amount of content unique to the topic. The two games have unique histories, and the gameplay differences are sizable. People often call games like TWW HD "remasters," but this one especially is a remake. It's a new game of its own right, with plenty of unique information about it. Reliable sources treat it as a separate game and indeed many readers will want information that applies uniquely to this remake. ] (]) 07:39, 9 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:*As I said above, I'm not especially a proponent of merging, but if there is a "large amount of content unique" to the HD version, you by the looks of the HD article. ] ] 14:49, 28 April 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' Enough unique content to fill an article. ] 13:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. There is enough to be said about WWHD's development, reception, design, etc. that it would make this already large article be unwieldy if merged. - ] <small>]</small> <small>]</small> 14:09, 18 April 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per above. ] (]) 05:01, 30 June 2015 (UTC) |
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== Widescreen image == |
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The image https://en.wikipedia.org/File:Wind_waker_1080p.jpg should be replaced, because it's widescreen. It was apparently taken using a widescreen hack in the ]. It's not possible to scale this image to 4:3 without messing up the graphics. |
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To properly represent the actual original game, the article needs an image that is 4:3, not 16:9. ] (]) 14:03, 5 November 2015 (UTC) |
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== Too much negative == |
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All of a sudden, an user who hates ''The Wind Waker'' has overemphasized the negative fan reaction the game got during its reveal and the first few years since its release. The use of superfluous expressions like "deeply mixed" is evidence of this. It's not taking into consideration the subsequent years' retroactive reception (for example, in an official IGN voting tournament, the game made it to semifinals where it lost to Ocarina of Time). --] (]) 14:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC) |
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:I added the material, and I certainly don't "hate" Wind Waker. The deeply mixed early reception over the graphics is one of the most noteworthy thugs about the game, and it's well sourced here. It's my intention to add additional material on how the game's reputation has improved over time once I'm done compiling the sources. Hopefully, it'll be ready for a ] push before too long.--] ]/] 15:57, 12 August 2016 (UTC) |
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== Notes for GA review == |
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I've nominated this article for GA review as I think it's finally ready. I modeled the article after the other Zelda game articles of high quality, in particular the FAs ] and ]. I made a few slight changes to their layout. In particular, there are sections for its initial reception by fans, and the fact that it improved over the years. I did this because this is treated as a major feature of the game's history in the sources, much more so than for most other Zelda games. On a related note, I didn't include info on ] in the "Development" section, first because it has its own article, and second, because I felt it was a better fit for the "Legacy" section, since the remake was only done after it was felt the game's reputation had improved. Otherwise, it follows what they do pretty closely.--] ]/] 14:53, 18 May 2017 (UTC) |
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== Sales == |
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I've twice reverted parts of the recent edits to the introduction. The reason is that the previous version read better than the changes. Specifically: |
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*The following sentence is phrased awkwardly: "The element of ] has a prominent role, by facilitating sailing and being controlled with a magic conductor's baton called the Wind Waker." |
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:Thanks for catching that. I'll see what I can do. ] (]) 01:58, 22 September 2017 (UTC) |
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*The following sentence introduces passive voice: "Instead, a distinctive cartoon-like art style was created through ], originating the ']' character." (I also don't think the sentence benefits from being broken up). |
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*Calling the art direction "whimsical": I don't think this is the right word choice. At any rate the previous paragraph already establishes what the art direction is like. |
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*The article verifies that the divisiveness among North American players contributed to weaker sales in comparison to Ocarina of Time, in fact this is a pretty significant part of the game's history. Removing that hurts the flow. |
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*"As a result, the subsequent '']'' (2006) has a more natural and serious look." This doesn't flow right. As a result of what exactly? As a result ''of comparatively weak sales'', Nintendo changed directions with the visuals. As a result of that decision, Twilight Princess has a more realistic style (I don't think that "natural and serious" are the right word choices) |
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*Splitting the sentence on the character's allies and activities strikes me as unnecessary, but I'm open to this if others support the change. |
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There are some good changes that I'll restore, and others that should be made. In general this introduction has suffered from content creep over the years; I'll get to work on fixing that.--] ]/] 20:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Would this still classify as GameCube-Only? == |
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I'm aware that the two versions (OG and HD) have separate articles, but at the end of the day they're the same game at its core. Pages where the remasters are merged with the original game (] and ]) don't have either marked as exclusive for their respective consoles (Xenoblade's remaster in particular has WAY more identity than Wind Waker's in my eyes). I could totally be wrong with this thinking, and if I am, I'd appreciate a link to Misplaced Pages's policies on remakes (if such a page even exists). Thanks for reading! | ] (]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added 22:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Was that yellow cover art actually used or is it some not final pre-release art since all I'm able find is the gold cover. --] (]) 19:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC) |
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I've twice reverted parts of the recent edits to the introduction. The reason is that the previous version read better than the changes. Specifically:
There are some good changes that I'll restore, and others that should be made. In general this introduction has suffered from content creep over the years; I'll get to work on fixing that.--Cúchullain /c 20:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm aware that the two versions (OG and HD) have separate articles, but at the end of the day they're the same game at its core. Pages where the remasters are merged with the original game (Xenoblade Chronicles (video game) and Skies of Arcadia) don't have either marked as exclusive for their respective consoles (Xenoblade's remaster in particular has WAY more identity than Wind Waker's in my eyes). I could totally be wrong with this thinking, and if I am, I'd appreciate a link to Misplaced Pages's policies on remakes (if such a page even exists). Thanks for reading! | NJ (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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