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== Merge Request == |
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{{Archive top|status=resolved|result='''No consensus''' to merge HD article, based on personal preference. In six months' time there were no substantive arguments each way, and none that demonstrated what coverage the sources support. – ] 15:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)}} |
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{{Moved discussion from|Talk:The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD#Merge Request|reason=This discussion was happening on 2 different talk pages at once, I have copied the comments from the other talk page to this. Any further discussion should be continued here. ] (]) 22:05, 31 March 2015 (UTC)}} |
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In my opinion there's very little new content in the Wii U re-release to warrant a separate article. The plot section is just a copy and paste, and even the minor gameplay differences are described in greater detail than needed for a general-use encyclopedia (as opposed to a Wikia or GameFAQ). I think we can expand the sub-section in this article rather than create a new one. For Chrono Trigger, ] didn't get its standalone article even though it has new boss fights and maps. Even Ocarina: Master Quest (which does have completely redesigned dungeons) is only a subsection of the main ] article. 01:33, 15 December 2014 (UTC) <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*'''Support''': There is definitely not enough information to warrant a separate article. There are multiple articles that include sections in development, gameplay and reception that cover more than one version of the game. --] (]) 18:46, 25 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''': I lend my support to this as well. I do not understand even how such an article could have been greenlit, considering how similar it is to this article. One of the unique parts of the other article is the development section and release section. But those are quite small so they should be able to be integrated to this article. Same with the reception section as well. That section also feels bloated because of the pre-release babble that is included. ] (]) 12:09, 26 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. I think it would serve readers better to cover the new version in a section here rather than sending them to a separate article with a ton of duplicate material.--] ]/] 14:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''': per nom. Game is essentially the same, with an HD facelift. The development and reception sections of the Wii U version can easily be put here too. --]. ] / ] 16:51, 28 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - Plot and gameplay are of very low importance in a video game article anyway. I would support getting rid of 90% of the content of these two sections, and only summarize them concisely. Then, looking at the actual unique content, which are the important development, release and reception sections, I think there's plenty of content to warrant a unique article. I've never really been a fan of combining different games (such as done with '']''), so I would oppose to this merge. Merging the development, release and reception sections of this article into the ''Windwaker'' article might get that article out of balance. ~] (]) 19:09, 25 January 2015 (UTC) |
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::I could go either way too. On one hand, the game's are largely identical. On the other hand, I do believe the HD version did receive a lot of exclusive coverage, and elicited commentary for a few things the original did not. (One of the first Nintendo HD remasters, releasing the game a month earlier digitally, etc.) ] ] 13:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC) |
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:::If the issue is that it includes a lot of duplicate content from another article, then simply remove most of that content and see if the article holds up. I think there is plenty of original coverage here to keep it separate from the original game. ~] (]) 14:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC) |
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::::When it's an issue of overlap, I tend to prefer merging. The content here really doesn't look too substantial to me - the Development section I threw together for '']'' a few years ago is about the same size, and that was just cobbled together from some tangential E3 articles and stuff. It might have the potential for some expansion, and likewise so does Reception, but... I mean, I hate to ask, but would users really care enough for us to host a separate page just for that? We don't even differentiate console and handheld versions of games >99% of the time (the only exception that jumps to mind is ]), let alone upgraded ports (e.g. '']'', '']'', '']'' for Wii, '']'', '']'' for GBA ). Why are remasters treated differently? ] (]) 23:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep separate'''. I created the article for TWW HD because of the large amount of content unique to the topic. The two games have unique histories, and the gameplay differences are sizable. People often call games like TWW HD "remasters," but this one especially is a remake. It's a new game of its own right, with plenty of unique information about it. Reliable sources treat it as a separate game and indeed many readers will want information that applies uniquely to this remake. ] (]) 07:39, 9 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:*As I said above, I'm not especially a proponent of merging, but if there is a "large amount of content unique" to the HD version, you by the looks of the HD article. ] ] 14:49, 28 April 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' Enough unique content to fill an article. ] 13:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. There is enough to be said about WWHD's development, reception, design, etc. that it would make this already large article be unwieldy if merged. - ] <small>]</small> <small>]</small> 14:09, 18 April 2015 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per above. ] (]) 05:01, 30 June 2015 (UTC) |
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The image https://en.wikipedia.org/File:Wind_waker_1080p.jpg should be replaced, because it's widescreen. It was apparently taken using a widescreen hack in the ]. It's not possible to scale this image to 4:3 without messing up the graphics. |
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To properly represent the actual original game, the article needs an image that is 4:3, not 16:9. ] (]) 14:03, 5 November 2015 (UTC) |
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== Too much negative == |
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All of a sudden, an user who hates ''The Wind Waker'' has overemphasized the negative fan reaction the game got during its reveal and the first few years since its release. The use of superfluous expressions like "deeply mixed" is evidence of this. It's not taking into consideration the subsequent years' retroactive reception (for example, in an official IGN voting tournament, the game made it to semifinals where it lost to Ocarina of Time). --] (]) 14:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC) |
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:I added the material, and I certainly don't "hate" Wind Waker. The deeply mixed early reception over the graphics is one of the most noteworthy thugs about the game, and it's well sourced here. It's my intention to add additional material on how the game's reputation has improved over time once I'm done compiling the sources. Hopefully, it'll be ready for a ] push before too long.--] ]/] 15:57, 12 August 2016 (UTC) |
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== Notes for GA review == |
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I've nominated this article for GA review as I think it's finally ready. I modeled the article after the other Zelda game articles of high quality, in particular the FAs ] and ]. I made a few slight changes to their layout. In particular, there are sections for its initial reception by fans, and the fact that it improved over the years. I did this because this is treated as a major feature of the game's history in the sources, much more so than for most other Zelda games. On a related note, I didn't include info on ] in the "Development" section, first because it has its own article, and second, because I felt it was a better fit for the "Legacy" section, since the remake was only done after it was felt the game's reputation had improved. Otherwise, it follows what they do pretty closely.--] ]/] 14:53, 18 May 2017 (UTC) |
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== Sales == |
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I've twice reverted parts of the recent edits to the introduction. The reason is that the previous version read better than the changes. Specifically: |
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*The following sentence is phrased awkwardly: "The element of ] has a prominent role, by facilitating sailing and being controlled with a magic conductor's baton called the Wind Waker." |
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:Thanks for catching that. I'll see what I can do. ] (]) 01:58, 22 September 2017 (UTC) |
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*The following sentence introduces passive voice: "Instead, a distinctive cartoon-like art style was created through ], originating the ']' character." (I also don't think the sentence benefits from being broken up). |
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*Calling the art direction "whimsical": I don't think this is the right word choice. At any rate the previous paragraph already establishes what the art direction is like. |
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*The article verifies that the divisiveness among North American players contributed to weaker sales in comparison to Ocarina of Time, in fact this is a pretty significant part of the game's history. Removing that hurts the flow. |
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*"As a result, the subsequent '']'' (2006) has a more natural and serious look." This doesn't flow right. As a result of what exactly? As a result ''of comparatively weak sales'', Nintendo changed directions with the visuals. As a result of that decision, Twilight Princess has a more realistic style (I don't think that "natural and serious" are the right word choices) |
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*Splitting the sentence on the character's allies and activities strikes me as unnecessary, but I'm open to this if others support the change. |
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There are some good changes that I'll restore, and others that should be made. In general this introduction has suffered from content creep over the years; I'll get to work on fixing that.--] ]/] 20:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Would this still classify as GameCube-Only? == |
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I'm aware that the two versions (OG and HD) have separate articles, but at the end of the day they're the same game at its core. Pages where the remasters are merged with the original game (] and ]) don't have either marked as exclusive for their respective consoles (Xenoblade's remaster in particular has WAY more identity than Wind Waker's in my eyes). I could totally be wrong with this thinking, and if I am, I'd appreciate a link to Misplaced Pages's policies on remakes (if such a page even exists). Thanks for reading! | ] (]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added 22:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Was that yellow cover art actually used or is it some not final pre-release art since all I'm able find is the gold cover. --] (]) 19:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC) |
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I've twice reverted parts of the recent edits to the introduction. The reason is that the previous version read better than the changes. Specifically:
There are some good changes that I'll restore, and others that should be made. In general this introduction has suffered from content creep over the years; I'll get to work on fixing that.--Cúchullain /c 20:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm aware that the two versions (OG and HD) have separate articles, but at the end of the day they're the same game at its core. Pages where the remasters are merged with the original game (Xenoblade Chronicles (video game) and Skies of Arcadia) don't have either marked as exclusive for their respective consoles (Xenoblade's remaster in particular has WAY more identity than Wind Waker's in my eyes). I could totally be wrong with this thinking, and if I am, I'd appreciate a link to Misplaced Pages's policies on remakes (if such a page even exists). Thanks for reading! | NJ (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
The redirect Zelda 10 has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 14 § Zelda 10 until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 14:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)