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== Arabic name == |
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The name given as Arabic in the first paragraph is obviously in Arabic script. But is it in Arabic? Turkish was written in Arabic script until the 20th century. My guess is this is simply his Turkish name written in a different alphabet. |
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:I think its the same, it means murad the second in arabic if the شـ written in شاني was a ثـ and the word would be ثاني, ie, the second, at least in arabic, could someone please make sure if شاني (SHani) means anything in turkish (second maybe ??), if not, its probably a typo.--] 22:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::There was a typo in the Arabic script as noted (شـ should indeed have been ثـ), which I've corrected, as well as adding a transcription of the ], which simply means—appropriately enough—"Murad II". -] 19:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Age at beginning of rule == |
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It says in the first paragraph of the Biography section that he began his rule at the age of 18. if he was born in 1404, there is no way he was 18 in 1421. Is one of the dates incorrect, or is the the age wrong? ] (]) 16:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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== Jalowaz == |
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In Hungarian History, Battle Jalowaz is considered as a major Hungarian victory against Turks. (It was in three months before the battle of Varna) But this battle as well as previous battles in 1443 are not mentioned in the article. ] (]) 16:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Two comments == |
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A list of Murat's wifes has been presented. I want to comment on the following: |
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*Both Tacinüssa and Halime were his wifes and both from ] house. Had Murat married to two sisters ? I don't think it was possible. Probably the both names belong to same person. |
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*According to Prof Yaşar Yücel and Ali Sevim, Murat had married to Melek hatun from ] house. But this name is missing in the list. ] (]) 10:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== External links modified (February 2018) == |
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*Added archive https://archive.is/20121208212614/http://wwwa.britannica.com/eb/article-9054316 to http://wwwa.britannica.com/eb/article-9054316 |
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Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 12:43, 8 February 2018 (UTC) |
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== Birth date == |
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{{ping|علاء}} well this actually make the problem in the Arabic wikipedia regime clear. This behaviour is not acceptable. You have to write an edit summary while reverting. Everyone here has the right to know what was his mistake and why his edits were reverted. Unfortunately that is not the case in the Arabic Misplaced Pages regime. Which is why it has very few contributors in it..--] (]) 16:19, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:Please ] ] {{smiley}} '''--'''] ] 17:59, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::{{U|علاء}}, I don't want to revert you again. The source you brought first of all is in Arabic and it's offline and you didn't provide the number of the page. A reference to an Arabic offline book without providing the page number is like nothing.--] (]) 18:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Alaa asked me for my views on this as I'm more familiar with en.wiki policy than he is. I think his compromise of having both dates is acceptable because it shows there is a dispute while giving equal weight to both sides. This is in line with our policy. Additionally, having an offline Arabic sources is not forbidden by the English Misplaced Pages, in fact, it is likely a better source than online English ones... I think this is a good compromise in line with our policy, and shouldn't be reverted. Also before you bring it up: no, this is not canvassing. I have good relationships with ar.wiki community members who will sometimes ask that I look at things when they are unsure of the en.wiki policy, which is normal and something I would do regularly on a project other than my home project. ] (]) 18:06, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::::{{U|TonyBallioni}}, yea but there is no page number and it's offline. How can someone verify? Also please tell Alaa and {{u|باسم}} not to revert without an explanation. This isn't the Arabic Misplaced Pages.--] (]) 18:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::Yes, but now علاء has provided a source and is engaged on this talk page. I think he likely has a page number and text he could provide as well. This is allowed by policy. On en.wiki we try to encourage Wikimedians from other projects to help build our content, and should work with them to understand our norms. I'll leave a talk page message for باسم asking him to reply here. ] (]) 18:12, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::: Thanks, I wasn't gonna revert anyway, I guess I have already made 3 reverts and I don't want to make the fourth and break the 3rr with this ]. I hoped if Alaa and Bassam reverted me with an explanation instead of these unexplained provocative reverts.--] (]) 18:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Thanks {{ping|TonyBallioni}} I ] with url and page number. Best '''--'''] ] 18:24, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:Ok, did you know what was the page of the previous source? ] you didn't it would be so embarrassing that you reverted me adding a source and changing the content without verifying the source.--] (]) 19:54, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::] (page= 396). See the source well in the next time '''--'''] ] 20:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|TonyBallioni}} seems the issue is resolved. Both Sources added by {{ping|علاء}} are prime historical sources when it comes to Ottoman history. "تاريخ الدولة العلية العثمانية" is among the major sources in Arabic since it was first written in 1909 by Mohammad Farid bey, an Egyptian Ottoman Turk who was among the first local historian to translate Ottoman Turkish documents to Arabic. The other "كتاب جامع الدول" was written by an Ottoman historian, Ahmed Munajjim Bashi, in both Turkish and Arabic, and the copy used here was edited by a Saudi scholar. Best --] (]) 20:00, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, those seem to be in line with en.wikis policies on reliable source. Thanks for commenting here. I think the current version of the page should work. ] (]) 20:32, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== Ghazi == |
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== Ghazi == |
This text: “ In 1432, the traveller Bertrandon de la Broquière noted that Ottoman annual revenue had increased to 2,500,000 ducats.”
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