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== Ghazi == |
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{{ping|Surtsicna}} what's your problem with the title Ghazi? There is an entire book (''Ghazavatname'') about him. If you mean succession, learn the difference. ] (]) 18:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC) |
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:It is not a substantive title. The title parameter is for substantive titles. See ]. ] (]) 18:53, 25 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== 2.5 million ducats == |
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''' Murad II ''' was the ] of the ] from ] to ] (except a period in ] to ]). He took back the territories in ] that were lost to ] in the ] in ], and the territories in ] that were lost to ] and ] during the ]. |
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http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Murad-II |
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This text: “ In 1432, the traveller Bertrandon de la Broquière noted that Ottoman annual revenue had increased to 2,500,000 ducats.” |
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No, nationmaster.com has plagiarized Misplaced Pages (of course not, since Misplaced Pages is a free resource...) --] 09:21, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC) |
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# Does not belong in the lede as it is not summarizing anything from the article body |
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: A Turk can say these without "plagiarizing" at any time you want. We learn these at primary school. With respect, ] 17:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC) |
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# Is based on a source from 1972 |
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# Is meaningless without context. There was some context there but it was along the lines of “with that money he could’ve conquered all of Europe if he had only wanted” which was obviously false and sketchy |
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# Doesn’t inform the reader of much of anything. Who’s gonna know how much 2.5 million ducats was worth? How did it compare to the treasuries of other kings, sultans, rulers? It’s just a claim someone found and felt compelled to spam into Misplaced Pages. |
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<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 15:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC) |
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I had to chuckle at the " Mustafa ... then turned his arms against the Greek emperor and declared his resolution to punish the Palaiologos for their unprovoked enmity by the capture of Constantinople." The poor innocent wee lad - this comment does seem a bit off kilter in respect of the long wars between the Byzantines and Turks. Who started it? Hmm ... |
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:That whole paragraph is from one source. {{tq|Is based on a source from 1972}} yeah my apologises that Halil Inalcik couldn't write this in 2024, if it would make much difference. {{tq|with that money he could’ve conquered all of Europe if he had only wanted}} I removed that statement, you're right. {{tq|Doesn’t inform the reader of much of anything}} how so? It says {{tq|Murad II's reign saw a period of great economic development, with an increase in trade and a considerable expansion of Ottoman cities}} and it gives about its economy. Maybe reader can click ] article to read more? {{tq|How did it compare to the treasuries of other kings, sultans, rulers}} why should we talk on ] article about other rulers? this book is about Ottoman Empire, doesn't talk about other rulers. Also claim? It's a secondary source based on primary source from that period, which makes it ] and stop calling calling reliable sourced contribution spam. ] (]) 15:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::Also moved below, you might be right about lead. ] (]) 15:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Alright, as long as it’s not in the lede, I’m good with it. Thank you.<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 17:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Arabic name == |
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The name given as Arabic in the first paragraph is obviously in Arabic script. But is it in Arabic? Turkish was written in Arabic script until the 20th century. My guess is this is simply his Turkish name written in a different alphabet. |
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] 19:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:I think its the same, it means murad the second in arabic if the شـ written in شاني was a ثـ and the word would be ثاني, ie, the second, at least in arabic, could someone please make sure if شاني (SHani) means anything in turkish (second maybe ??), if not, its probably a typo.--] 22:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::There was a typo in the Arabic script as noted (شـ should indeed have been ثـ), which I've corrected, as well as adding a transcription of the ], which simply means—appropriately enough—"Murad II". -] 19:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Age at beginning of rule == |
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It says in the first paragraph of the Biography section that he began his rule at the age of 18. if he was born in 1404, there is no way he was 18 in 1421. Is one of the dates incorrect, or is the the age wrong? ] (]) 16:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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== Jalowaz == |
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In Hungarian History, Battle Jalowaz is considered as a major Hungarian victory against Turks. (It was in three months before the battle of Varna) But this battle as well as previous battles in 1443 are not mentioned in the article. ] (]) 16:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Two comments == |
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A list of Murat's wifes has been presented. I want to comment on the following: |
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*Both Tacinüssa and Halime were his wifes and both from ] house. Had Murat married to two sisters ? I don't think it was possible. Probably the both names belong to same person. |
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*According to Prof Yaşar Yücel and Ali Sevim, Murat had married to Melek hatun from ] house. But this name is missing in the list. ] (]) 10:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== External links modified (February 2018) == |
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*Added archive https://archive.is/20121208212614/http://wwwa.britannica.com/eb/article-9054316 to http://wwwa.britannica.com/eb/article-9054316 |
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Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 12:43, 8 February 2018 (UTC) |
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== Birth date == |
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{{ping|علاء}} well this actually make the problem in the Arabic wikipedia regime clear. This behaviour is not acceptable. You have to write an edit summary while reverting. Everyone here has the right to know what was his mistake and why his edits were reverted. Unfortunately that is not the case in the Arabic Misplaced Pages regime. Which is why it has very few contributors in it..--] (]) 16:19, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:Please ] ] {{smiley}} '''--'''] ] 17:59, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::{{U|علاء}}, I don't want to revert you again. The source you brought first of all is in Arabic and it's offline and you didn't provide the number of the page. A reference to an Arabic offline book without providing the page number is like nothing.--] (]) 18:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Alaa asked me for my views on this as I'm more familiar with en.wiki policy than he is. I think his compromise of having both dates is acceptable because it shows there is a dispute while giving equal weight to both sides. This is in line with our policy. Additionally, having an offline Arabic sources is not forbidden by the English Misplaced Pages, in fact, it is likely a better source than online English ones... I think this is a good compromise in line with our policy, and shouldn't be reverted. Also before you bring it up: no, this is not canvassing. I have good relationships with ar.wiki community members who will sometimes ask that I look at things when they are unsure of the en.wiki policy, which is normal and something I would do regularly on a project other than my home project. ] (]) 18:06, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::::{{U|TonyBallioni}}, yea but there is no page number and it's offline. How can someone verify? Also please tell Alaa and {{u|باسم}} not to revert without an explanation. This isn't the Arabic Misplaced Pages.--] (]) 18:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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