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| == Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2022 == | |||
| == Hypocricy == | |||
| "In the Soviet Union, dubious psychiatric diagnoses were sometimes used to confine political prisoners": this ]-centric canard again! The same thing is done in the U.S.! The pot is calling the kettle black! I am rewriting for NPOV. --] | |||
| Any examples of that in the US, or are you all talk? ] 02:13, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == War on Drugs == | |||
| The Wiki-] evidently find the following citation objectionable. Though the article alleges that ''ALL'' countries have examples of political prisoners, yet when some prominent Americans allege that the victims of the politically-motivated ] may be examples of political prisoners, such an example as follows cannot be cited, presumably due to irrational application of the ] ]: | |||
| :In America, ] and others have called those imprisoned due to the '']'', political prisoners . | |||
| There's nothing irrational about it. Murderers, deserters and drug dealers are not political prisoners! -- Spock | |||
| :Let's not jump to conclusions! Especially not with the upcoming extradition case of ] and two fellow activists. Emery is charged with what American officials chose to call ]. However Emery's seed sale proceeds have been properly taxed and reported to the government from the beginning, and has been donated to political movements worldwide. From that perspective he would absolutely be a political prisoner in the event that the US is successful. Furthermore, since the length of Emery's sentence will depend on whether he regrets what he did or not (which is a blatant question of his political ideas) it's safe to say that he will be in prison for his beliefs. Though I don't want to write this in the article itself just yet, I'm getting political myself. And Misplaced Pages isn't a crystal ball either. ;) --] 00:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Anyone who converts the proceeds of criminal activity (such as drug trafficking) into another form is guilty of money laundering. This is foolishness. -- ] ] 23:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Not if such crimes are widespread and the prosecution is politically biased. For illustration, there are millions of drug users and dealers, if the police go to extraordinary measures to arrest and ensure successful prosection of one such individual because he is a political activist, he would be a political prisoner. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Mordechai Vanunu == | |||
| Shouldn't he be included? He exposed the Israeli nuclear program in the eighties. He is free since 2004, but is not allowed to leave the country or to speak with foreign media. He risks more charges because he violated the latter restriction, something he feels is simply one of its human rights. | |||
| http://www.nonviolence.org/vanunu/ is a campaigning site for Mordechai | |||
| No. Mr. Vanunu sold nuclear secrets to a British newspaper -- he committed treason, straight up. -- Spock | |||
| I disagree. His rights are violated. His trial was not public. His arrest was on foreign soil. | |||
| ] 22:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| So what? There's no dispute that he was guilty of the crime of which he was convicted: he readily admits he divulged his country's secrets for money. -- Spock 00:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Misplaced Pages policy and precedent seems to pretty clear on this sort of debate: Include Vanunu only if there is a significantly large group that considers him to be one. If the group is not reputable, that should be noted.] 23:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Leonard Peltier == | |||
| I updated the Leonard Peltier entry to be what I consider a more NPOV. I also removed the ] and reverted it back to ]. Pine Ridge was where the alleged crime happened, not where/who keeps him imprisoned. He is imprisoned by the United States. ] 17:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Woo Yong Gak == | |||
| I'm confused here --- I realize that Amnesty International considered him a political prisoner, and the cited CBS News article refers to him as such, but why? The man was imprisoned for espionage, not for any political works or action. --] 14:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Matt Pearce== | |||
| Political prisoner? He went to jail for harrassing a women in HK http://legalref.judiciary.gov.hk/lrs/common/search/search_result_detail_frame.jsp?DIS=55632&QS=%28%24Matt%2CPearce%29&TP=JU <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Exactly, and I've removed him. -- ] ] 02:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi Spock. In future please try to use the edit summary to help explain edits as you make them. I reverted your edit prior to your above post because it was performed without any explanation at the time and appeared suspect. Sorry, I should have assumed good faith. If there is consensus here for removing Woo Yong Gak, please do so --] 02:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I agree and have removed him. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==recent edits - copying from user's Talk page== | |||
| Hi, would you mind explaining on the talk page why you reverted my edit? Peltier was convicted of murder, it is a fact. ] 01:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| all the others in the list have been convicted of various crimes by the nation holding them however only Peltier memtioned the legal procedings therby puting unbalanced information on the page. if the reader is intrested in the specific legal background they may read it at his page. | |||
| :That's not correct. The next in the list, Woo Yong Gak, is described as "convicted of espionage, and who refused to sign an oath of obedience to his captors' National Security Law". The next one, Chia Thye Poh , is described as "imprisoned without charge or trial until 1989 upon suspicion that he was a member of the Communist Party of Malaysia and therefore a threat to the security of Singapore.". And there are many more. I am copying this to {], please continue the discussion there. ] 14:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == The Russian version in problems == | |||
| If anybody speaks Russian, then, look, please, at the Russian version. It is considered for deletion. ] (]) 12:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Objective standard == | |||
| From reading this article, it appears that there is no objective standard that determines who is or is not a political prisoner. Is that correct? ]] ] 21:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I've also posted a related inquiry at ]. ]] ] 21:39, 12 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :See http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_June_19#Category:Political_prisoners_and_victims for discussion about the linked category. ]] ] 20:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Wikiproject Prisons == | |||
| If anyone is interested, I have proposed a new Wikiproject concerning prisons ].--] (]) 22:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Inclusion == | |||
| The article should include only people who have been declared as political prisoners by human rights organization. Otherwise any prisoner can be claimed as political prisoner. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Political prisoner|answered=yes}} | |||
| Geez, that would mean erasing most (if not all) of the Cubans here, right? ] (]) 02:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
| * ] (]) 16:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] ] 16:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi, change: proposed an additional reference weblink to this source (witness account of a political prisoner). | |||
| ::The German version of the site is listed as weblink at the German Misplaced Pages page for this topic: https://de.wikipedia.org/Politische_Haft_(DDR) ] (]) 21:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::I am not familiar with the systema and edit modes. The change was inquired because the domain changed (old: stasiprison.org). Please check of the link works and resolves the correct source for this witness account. ] (]) 10:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion == | |||
| :Surely Amnesty International could provide a fairly objective source ? -- ] (]) 05:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
| The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion: | |||
| * ]<!-- COMMONSBOT: discussion | 2023-03-23T04:08:10.578101 | PrisonerSolidarity.jpg --> | |||
| Participate in the deletion discussion at the ]. —] (]) 04:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Re-add Abdullah "Apo" Öcalan to the list == | |||
| == Hate speech, discrimination, Holocaust denial, etc. == | |||
| Could somebody include a few people imprisoned for actions not compliant with the current ] sentiment prevalent among the governments of Western states without committing any other crimes or advocating violence? E.g., ] (sentenced for 15 months for Holocaust denial). ] (]) 21:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| On 13 November 2022, Misplaced Pages user ] removed ] from the heading infobox, noting that "abdullah öcalan is not a political prisoner, is a terrorist". Later it was discovered that that account was a sockpuppet of user ]. The ] reveals multiple abuses of pages relating to highly politicized topics, including articles such as ], ], ], ], and ], straying away from neutral language, and as ] put it, "Usual focus on terrorism in Turkey related articles". | |||
| == Wang Bingzhang == | |||
| The webpage for Öcalan already had discussions about the legitimacy of referring to him as a political prisoner; see: ]. | |||
| His removal was a mistake. I was looking at the top level criteria, that said "The list below includes examples of individuals who are considered political prisoners and are currently being held despite not having a trial or being subject to any other judicial process." Wang is actually under a different section. Still, he could use a better reference that actually calls him a political prisoner, instead of just saying that he got an unfair trial. ] (]) 20:51, 29 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Major points from this previous discussion: | |||
| == Examples of Political Prisoners == | |||
| *"...he is banned from holding a public office for life and engaged heavily in the peace process through his books and messages released from prison." | |||
| *"The EU court ruled he did not receive a fair trial." | |||
| *"Öcalan is seen by many independent sources as a political prisoner." | |||
| *"...he's been referred to as a political prisoner by the Turkish govt itself." | |||
| Perhaps there may not be a need to re-add him to the infobox, as it appears clean now with only four characters, but I suggest that he is at least added to the article's list of individuals. ] (]) 20:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Are these examples really necessary? The article is not a List of Political Prisoners, but about the concept. If anything important or well-known political prisoners should be discussed in prose, putting them into context. There are of course other problems with having a list in this article. It is unclear how examples will be choosen, and what the inclusion criterias are. Many examples are at best controversial, as only fringe groups claim certain prisoners to be political prisoners. ] (]) 02:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
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- East Germany: Political Prisoner Eyewitness Account from Stasi Prison (13 April 1985 - 13 August 1986) Gumbalaya (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, change: proposed an additional reference weblink to this source (witness account of a political prisoner).
- The German version of the site is listed as weblink at the German Misplaced Pages page for this topic: https://de.wikipedia.org/Politische_Haft_(DDR) Gumbalaya (talk) 21:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
- I am not familiar with the systema and edit modes. The change was inquired because the domain changed (old: stasiprison.org). Please check of the link works and resolves the correct source for this witness account. Gumbalaya (talk) 10:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
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Re-add Abdullah "Apo" Öcalan to the list
On 13 November 2022, Misplaced Pages user Savy Wotton removed Abdullah Öcalan from the heading infobox, noting that "abdullah öcalan is not a political prisoner, is a terrorist". Later it was discovered that that account was a sockpuppet of user CarlostheJackal01. The investigation from 2022-2023 reveals multiple abuses of pages relating to highly politicized topics, including articles such as List of terrorist incidents in 1970, Falls Curfew, List of criminal enterprises, gangs, and syndicates, Corporate crime, and War crime, straying away from neutral language, and as FDW777 put it, "Usual focus on terrorism in Turkey related articles".
The webpage for Öcalan already had discussions about the legitimacy of referring to him as a political prisoner; see: Talk:Abdullah_Öcalan/Archive_2#Not_a_political_prisoner.
Major points from this previous discussion:
- "...he is banned from holding a public office for life and engaged heavily in the peace process through his books and messages released from prison."
- "The EU court ruled he did not receive a fair trial."
- "Öcalan is seen by many independent sources as a political prisoner."
- "...he's been referred to as a political prisoner by the Turkish govt itself."
Perhaps there may not be a need to re-add him to the infobox, as it appears clean now with only four characters, but I suggest that he is at least added to the article's list of individuals. 162.223.16.74 (talk) 20:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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