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== Photo for infobox ==
== WJLA: "2016 Clinton campaign, PAC skirted federal financing rules, court finds" ==


Should we update to any of the pics from the 2020s? The one from 2016 is... from 2016. That, and if you look at ], there is another photo of Clinton being used.
WJLA is the ABC News affiliate in Washington D.C. They just published an article called "2016 Clinton campaign, PAC skirted federal financing rules, court finds."


Incumbent photo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg
Is this the kind of subject that should be covered in this article?


Suggestions:
Does this source meet the standards for info on living people?


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Former_United_States_Secretary_of_State_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton_at_the_U.S._Department_of_State_on_September_26%2C_2023_in_Washington%2C_D.C._14_%28cropped%29.jpg
https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/2016-clinton-campaign-pac-skirted-federal-financing-rules-court-finds-correct-the-record-hillary-clintons-2016-presidential-campaign-stretched-federal-financing-rules-a-washington-dc-appeals-court-ruled-tuesday


] (]) 14:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Hillary_Clinton_53663388489_o_%281%29.jpg ] (]) 04:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)


:It depends on how recent you want to go. It's better to focus on a strong, high quality image with Clinton as the focus though, I think.
== "Despite winning the popular vote" ==
:I also propose the first image:

:]
This phrase isn't neutral. Hillary did not lose "despite" winning the popular vote; winning the popular vote isn't actually connected to winning orl losing the U.S presidency. It's notable enough to mention, but in a more neutral phrasing like "while winning the popular vote." I notice Donald Trump's page says he "won the election while losing the popular vote." ] (]) 17:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
:But I also believe that crops of:
: "winning the popular vote isn't actually connected to winning orl losing the U.S presidency" It is highly notable. We have a ], and this has only happened in 5 highly controversial elections. ] (]) 21:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
:]

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== "stick it to the man by voting for a woman" ==
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:would work well.
hello everybody. i have looked around the internet and can find no evidence that the slogan "stick it to the man by voting for a woman" was ever actually used by the campaign. i suspect it did not actually exist and should be removed from the page. thank you for reading. have a great day. ] (]) 02:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:I think the first or third image would work best, with a lean towards the third one in my own personal preference. ] (]) 02:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

::I made a crop of the third image you proposed (])
:@] - Looks like you already removed it on that page, and so thank you for doing so. ] (]) (]) 03:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
::I think it's better than the first image you gave as her smile seems slightly more natural than her smile in the first image. Of course, they are ultimately very similar images so it doesn't matter that much in the long run.
::I just hope we can update the lead image ASAP.
::Also, should the current lead image (Clinton in 2016) be moved down the article in the section about her 2016 presidential campaign? It seems it would fit. ] 19:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes; it would probably be best to move that lead image down there.
:::Activity on this article is very slow. Technically, it's consensus now that the image needs to be changed, but only a few people have voted. Somebody should bring this to other people's attentions. ] (]) 01:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:I really like your first suggestion for the infobox. ] (]) 08:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''' It is about time the lead image is changed. Either of them can work but @]'s suggestions are good too. ] 21:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:That SMILE! Eughh! The old one is good ] (]) 15:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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Photo for infobox

Should we update to any of the pics from the 2020s? The one from 2016 is... from 2016. That, and if you look at List of first ladies of the United States, there is another photo of Clinton being used.

Incumbent photo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg

Suggestions:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Former_United_States_Secretary_of_State_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton_at_the_U.S._Department_of_State_on_September_26%2C_2023_in_Washington%2C_D.C._14_%28cropped%29.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Hillary_Clinton_53663388489_o_%281%29.jpg DougheGojiraMan (talk) 04:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

It depends on how recent you want to go. It's better to focus on a strong, high quality image with Clinton as the focus though, I think.
I also propose the first image:
File:Former United States Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 14 (cropped).jpg
But I also believe that crops of:
File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 22.jpg
&
File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 21.jpg
would work well.
I think the first or third image would work best, with a lean towards the third one in my own personal preference. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 02:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
I made a crop of the third image you proposed (File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 21 - Crop.jpg)
I think it's better than the first image you gave as her smile seems slightly more natural than her smile in the first image. Of course, they are ultimately very similar images so it doesn't matter that much in the long run.
I just hope we can update the lead image ASAP.
Also, should the current lead image (Clinton in 2016) be moved down the article in the section about her 2016 presidential campaign? It seems it would fit. 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 19:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes; it would probably be best to move that lead image down there.
Activity on this article is very slow. Technically, it's consensus now that the image needs to be changed, but only a few people have voted. Somebody should bring this to other people's attentions. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 01:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
I really like your first suggestion for the infobox. 3df (talk) 08:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Support It is about time the lead image is changed. Either of them can work but @3df's suggestions are good too. 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 21:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
That SMILE! Eughh! The old one is good 68.57.163.100 (talk) 15:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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